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Re: Filter Patch bags VS. Canning jars for substrate [Re: mycofile]
    #527249 - 01/21/02 12:19 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Filter Patch bags VS. Canning jars for substrate [Re: ralphster44]
    #527252 - 01/21/02 12:22 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Filter Patch bags VS. Canning jars for substrate [Re: World Spirit]
    #527343 - 01/21/02 02:43 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Why be so careful with sealing the bag and all that after the first flush? Isn't that being a little to careful? I don't understand all the concern.
I take my cakes out of my pods and take pictures of them and then move them over to other pods all the time. I never get any mold. I always move my cakes from one pod to another to try to syncronize the flushing patterns of the cakes. I have never had a mold problem yet. I handle my cakes like a mad man with unclean hands and still no mold. So what all the bother about being so sterile with these bags? I don't get it.


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Re: Filter Patch bags VS. Canning jars for substrate [Re: ralphster44]
    #527433 - 01/21/02 05:12 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Oh, I guess you guys are talking about fruiting inside the bags, rather than using them in place of jars. I'll defer to others on those issues. You can fruit in bags, but I was always into the hobby enough to do things "the right way". I don't have any idea if pans will fruit well in the bag, but do know that you can use the bags in place of jars for them. I would guess that if you're trying to fruit pans in a bag, they will still need the thin casing layer that is par for the species.

I wouldn't be too worried about a tight seal after the first flush was harvested from a bag though. I'ts basically just a cake in a terrerium at that point.


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Re: Filter Patch bags VS. Canning jars for substrate [Re: mycofile]
    #527486 - 01/21/02 06:33 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

If everyone did things "the right way" all the time, innovations like the PF Tek would never have been discovered. There's nothing wrong with finding what works for you and sticking with it however. For some though, that would soon become very monotonous and would limit their real potential. Imagine doing the same thing for years and then one day discovering that a slight change in your technique could have saved you half the time or doubled your yeilds all along?

There can also be totally unnecessary creations from new ideas as well, and I'm sure most of us would want to avoid these as to not waste valuable time or money (ie, hydro-pod, the pet rock, hair in a can, etc...). These are only my opinions and it's only coincidental should they reflect the opinions of others implied or otherwise, nor do I expect anyone to agree or disagree with them (plus I don't care). (???)


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Re: Filter Patch bags VS. Canning jars for substrate [Re: Nighted]
    #527519 - 01/21/02 07:16 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

You are right of course, hence "right way" being in parenthesis. I don't want this thread to digress to comparisons of teks. This thread is for bags vs. jars. I simply meant that I was always willing to put in the work to get the best results possible. Nothing yields better than optimized traditional methods (look at the pic to the left). Then again, some people don't want to put forth all that effort, and that is understandable.
Fruiting in bags could be a lot of help for a lot of people. Hell it may even become a revolutionary "innovation" like the PF tek. But for people like I was, it will only be a option, not the "right way".
If we were to start comparing methods, the most comparable method to fruiting in bags would be fruiting in jars ala the sea monkey tek. Regardless of the sea monkies merits, fruiting in bags certainly beats the shit out of it.


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Re: Filter Patch bags VS. Canning jars for substrate [Re: mycofile]
    #527697 - 01/21/02 11:12 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Actually fruiting in jars goes back to the days of Oss & Oeric or actually Terrence Mckenna and his bro from the 70's. Way before the seamonkey tek. :smile: I don't think they made it up though.


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Re: Filter Patch bags VS. Canning jars for substrate [Re: gamashroomer2]
    #527824 - 01/22/02 01:59 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Ryche-

Thanks for the informative post. I can't think of any specific questions i have, but i appreciate the sharing of knowledge that comes out of posts like that.


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Re: Filter Patch bags VS. Canning jars for substrate [Re: BBShrizz]
    #529718 - 01/24/02 03:20 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Well, aside from fruiting in jars, it seems much better and more convenient to start your colonization in bags. You can do more at once, and crumble the colonized substrate while it is still in the sealed and sterilized bag, instead of doing this after taking out of jars.


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Re: Filter Patch bags VS. Canning jars for substrate [Re: Ryche Hawk]
    #529800 - 01/24/02 05:09 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Ryche I must compliment you and say your post was brilliant and revolutionary. One quick question whats the best way to introduce spores to a bag? Can one just inject their spores or must they add a crumbled cake? I would like to use bags to get huge pf style cakes with straw and I want to know how to quickly colonize the straw before it contames? They say not to sterilize straw but to just pastuerize it. What are your thoughts on this? I think bags and straw are the most economical way to go. I'm not interested in casing because it seems to be a waste of time and to many extra steps to risk contames, however, one huge straw cake would be very effective.


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Re: Filter Patch bags VS. Canning jars for substrate [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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Re: Filter Patch bags VS. Canning jars for substrate [Re: Ryche Hawk]
    #529898 - 01/24/02 09:10 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

the filter bags are very very fine...i like too work with this hightec bags...cause i have a lot of my old bags without filter ... can i buy the filterdisk only, and glue on that??
do u think it works??
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Re: Filter Patch bags VS. Canning jars for substrate [Re: Ryche Hawk]
    #530047 - 01/24/02 12:11 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I love the bulk bag tek. i assume you're using rye grain?
how is it colonized? directly from spore syringe, or can colonized agar OR other colonized rye be used?

My question is, what do you do with the colonized rye grain after? distribute it to trays, case, cover with poly wrap, init pins, then uncover and throw in terrarium?

This is my understanding so far? am i on track?


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Re: Filter Patch bags VS. Canning jars for substrate [Re: Ryche Hawk]
    #530052 - 01/24/02 12:17 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, but these plastic ball lids for the jars, are they autoclavable?  if not, they are mostly useless to me! :smile:
I did see them in your pics though, and i was wondering where the hell they came from
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Re: Filter Patch bags VS. Canning jars for substrate [Re: cookiewhore]
    #1030352 - 11/07/02 12:14 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Yep . . .cookiewhore. . .. those plastic lids wont melt in the PC.

Have at 'em.

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Re: Filter Patch bags VS. Canning jars for substrate [Re: 420M]
    #1030388 - 11/07/02 12:22 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

hey buddy, this post is over 9 months old, please look at the date before you post a reply.


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Re: Filter Patch bags VS. Canning jars for substrate [Re: 420M]
    #1030393 - 11/07/02 12:23 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sure he would have liked that info from you 10 months ago when he posted.



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Re: Filter Patch bags VS. Canning jars for substrate [Re: 420M]
    #1030410 - 11/07/02 12:26 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Holy shit, did you go through all the threads back to january, then out of all of them, you chose this one to answer. That is so funny. Wow, you got TOOO much time on you hands, stop reading start growing.


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Re: Filter Patch bags VS. Canning jars for substrate [Re: Ryche Hawk]
    #25765469 - 01/24/19 03:23 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Hi,
I mixed my colonized grain into sterilized soil and transferred to grow bags about 3 weeks ago.
I was careful to mix the grain into the soil thoroughly but only 4 of the 20 bags are nearly all white. I'd say they are 90%.  The rest of the bags are barely colonized at between 15-30%.  I have noticed that the bags that colonized quickly the soil feels much more compact than the rest. There are a few pins despite the fact that they have been in the dark and I have not introduced them to the grow lights yet.
I plan to go ahead and start the fruiting process on the 4 bags that seem ready. Do you think I just need to be patient on the rest? There's quite a lot of water collecting in the bags and I'm nervous about contamination.
Also, I would love to post pics to show you but I can't seem to get them to upload.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
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Re: Filter Patch bags VS. Canning jars for substrate [Re: venicestyle]
    #25765474 - 01/24/19 03:25 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Damn, resurrected a 16 year old thread... this thread is half my age :rofl:
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