DividedQuantum said:

Shenmue said:

If Bernie just promised universal healthcare he probably would have won. The problem is that he promised free everything and that makes people very uncomfortable. The older generations don't like hearing that shit. He made those mistakes failing to realize that most young people don't even go out and vote. I don't understand why he didn't just focus on health care? It would have been difficult enough just to accomplish that in 4-8 years. Donald Trump is 100% going to win now. The left literally handed the election over to trump. Last election you wanted Hillary and now you want Joe Biden! Are you people insane? Hillary and Biden are even more corrupt than trump! I can understand Bernie Sanders but not Joe Biden! This is why people are turning against the democratic party. We're so fucked!

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Unfortunately I think you're right. Bernie appears to me to be the best option among those available, but anyone who thinks this country is really ready for those types of policies must be living on Mars. The vast majority of the U.S. electorate doesn't support them. Much of Europe got a lot of this together in the last fifty years, but this is not Europe. And regarding Medicare for all, I just think it's absolutely unrealistic.

As a diabetic who has had a ton of contact with our healthcare, pharmaceutical and insurance systems, I know it would take at least ten years to convert everything over to Medicare and possibly longer than that. Bernie would have four or maybe eight years in office, and whenever someone from the rival party became president, all of it would be undone, or paralyzed. We have no political stability in this country at all, and Medicare for all would need perfect stability.

It seems pretty clear it's going to be Biden, especially now with his unlimited financial resources. But then, it has seemed it would most likely be Biden for over a year now. I hate to break it to all the Bernie acolytes, but even if he were elected, which appears very unlikely, it would be a disaster trying to implement those policies. The only way around that disaster would be a public who unilaterally supports Bernie, and we are far from having that.

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qman said:

Yet, it only takes a few days to convert someone with private insurance to Medicare once they're eligible for it.

I get it, people making hundreds of billions in health care profits every year would be dragging their feet on the process. That has nothing to do with it being logistically difficult to switch over to Medicare For All.

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cannabinated said:

the polls show that the majority of americans are for bernies policies

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Shenmue said:

cannabinated said:

the polls show that the majority of americans are for bernies policies

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Those polls mean nothing at the end of the day.

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christopera said:

We need the count in California to finish up. Bernie is still strong.

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cannabinated said:

ignoring the healthcare issues will just cost us more in the end

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cannabinated said:

ignoring the healthcare issues will just cost us more in the end

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cannabinated said:

id rather have healthcare at half price and save the inheritance

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Have you noticed that Bernie

cannabinated said:

id rather have healthcare at half price and save the inheritance

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What are you talking about?  I'd rather have Medicare for All and save the inheritance.  Inheritance isn't taxed unless it's over $11 million, in which case of course it should be taxed.

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Shenmue said:

Why should inheritance be taxed if it's over 11 million? I'm not sure If I agree with that. If I invented something and made 20 million dollars the government shouldn't get a % if I get pass away. That's not their money. How is that not stealing?

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