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Re: Sanders [Re: christopera] * 2
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christopera said:
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Be implicit or as explicit as you like, just do it in another thread as it does not apply here.



But it does. Have you ever heard someone critizing Sanders for being a socialist? I think my point is pretty valid.

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Re: Sanders [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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The Ecstatic said:
The history of the left in Spain is wildly different than that of the US.


Of course it is.
However, since the same marketing and propaganda teories can be applied to spanish people and USA people (and french, and german and...) i can asume that Sanders being labeled as a socialist can make people who oppose socialism and are more centre sided move to the republican party just to avoid Sanders being elected.



P.D: I will double post this time,this is too fast for me.

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Re: Sanders [Re: The Ecstatic] * 3
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The Ecstatic said:
The history of the left in Spain is wildly different than that of the US.


Yes. In Spain the left fights. Here we just passively accept defeat.


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Re: Sanders [Re: The Ecstatic]
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christopera said:


The Ecstatic said:


Dayum, fellas.  You're harshing my buzz, brah.  Mr. Failure's posts weren't that bad, were they?

I'll get me coat :hatsoff:

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Re: Sanders [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
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Brian Jones said:
The Ecstatic said:
The history of the left in Spain is wildly different than that of the US.


Yes. In Spain the left fights. Here we just passively accept defeat.


I mean kinda. It would’ve been interesting to see the ramifications of a successful Business Plot, and look at the similarities between here and Franco/Spanish Civil War.  Spain and the EU have basically beat the left into submission, but their definition of left is much different. The people in Europe suppressing the left wing are to themselves left of Bernie Sanders lol.


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Re: Sanders [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
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That's true. Their center is our socialists.


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I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

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Re: Sanders [Re: Brian Jones] * 3
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Don’t look now but new CBS poll has Bernie in 1st in both NH and Iowa heading into the first two primaries.



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Re: Sanders [Re: The Ecstatic]
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I swear Yang and Gabbard are the Yoko Ono of this sub’s enthusiasm for Sanders.


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Re: Sanders [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Don’t look now but new CBS poll has Bernie in 1st in both NH and Iowa heading into the first two primaries.




something something only colours in this image are red white and blue something something

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Re: Sanders [Re: Tantrika]
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I’d like to see more orange tbh


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Re: Sanders [Re: Tantrika]
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I see Warren dropping out after Super Tuesday. What she says then could be very important.


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Re: Sanders [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
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Agreed. If you asked me two months ago I’d say she’d have no choice but to endorse Bernie, but since she’s been doing her weird run walk thing to the center since then, I could easily see her endorsing Biden.


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Re: Sanders [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
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Oh yeah Bernie is leading in the RCP averages of both Iowa and New Hampshire



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Re: Sanders [Re: The Ecstatic]
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That's something alright.  I wonder what's going to happen? 

Whatever happens, Im pretty sure Bernie will NOT change America.  Even if he makes it to the oval office.

In that scenario, all the ruling class has to do is shut down the economy and blame 'socialism'.  They can do that.  They own it.  It's called a capital strike.

Wouldn't even take very much.  Just create enough lay-offs  to cause some pain and say 'see.  socialism.  it doesn't work'.  Run that on-message through the MSM which the ruling class also owns, and 80% of the people out there will be screaming for Sanders removal and for another billionaire to be installed.  Or whatever the TV tells them is the solution.

The federal reserve could just raise interest rates and cause a recession, then 'socialism' takes the blame for the carnage.  That's what happened in Canada in the 1990's when the welfare state was partially dismantled.  There was a psycho Bank of Canada governor, John Crow, who kept interest rates high, ballooning the deficit and receding the economy.  The carnage was blamed on social spending.  Nearly everyone went along with it and the media pumped out the narrative endlessly.  The conservative prime minister, Kim Campbell, was even saying that Canada will not be able to afford medicare  probably.

It didn't get quite that far, but it could have.  The next election featured the libertarian style Reform party coming in second to the centrist Liberal party.

With a modern day demonstration of 'socialism' 'not working' in USA, there will be no more talk of medicare for all or jobs that pay a living wage for a few generations.

There will be no real change without mass solidarity and protest.  But you'll never get that because of all the lies and disinformation.

If I was a ruling class scumbag, Id actually prefer the Bernie as president scenario because sabotaging his agenda then blaming the failure on the nature of the agenda itself is very powerful.  Much more so than ignoring him on the media and rigging the primaries against him.  Ideas survive all that very well. 

FDR was able to do what he did because he had a portion of the ruling class on his side.  His game was to preserve their outrageous social positions by making the system work a little better.  At the time real revolution was a possibility, the ruling class knew that, so did FDR, so they felt concessions were necessary to appease the masses.

There is no such humility today.  There won't be unless the ruling class feels threatened.  They will never feel threatened as long as some huge portion of the population remains totally confused.

Edited by JohnRainy (01/06/20 05:27 PM)

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Re: Sanders [Re: JohnRainy]
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I think a capital strike is a catch 22. If the ruling class intentionally fuck up the economy it only bolsters Bernie’s message that they have too much control of our society. I mean the younger generation already prefers socialism to capitalism, it’s in their best interest to make sure things stay relatively stable.

Of course their cronies in DC will stifle Sanders at every turn, their smartest strategy would just be letting him get some version of healthcare reform through, and pacify his increasingly angry base.


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Re: Sanders [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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Yeah that's true. 

But Bernie's message will be overwhelmed by the megaphone of the ruling class.  Opinion will be largely controlled by them.  I think their defences will hold.  After all, they've held up this ridiculous rip-off system for this long despite everything by controlling opinion.

That health care concession would be an effective strategy at pacifying the Bernie base that's clamouring for change.  I wonder how much they fear an example of 'socialism' working?  The model could be applied to nearly everything, then you'd have democratic socialism, where the people control capital.  That would cancel the outrageous social positions the ruling class so covets.

I am eagerly watching this.  What are they going to do if Sanders becomes president?

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Re: Sanders [Re: JohnRainy] * 1
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"MSNBC: Bernie Supporters Don't Care About Policy"


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Re: Sanders [Re: qman] * 1
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They had some dumbass in yesterday that said Warren, Biden, and Buttigieg are the 3 leaders in Iowa.

No mention of Bernie.
Bernie is 1st in Iowa.


Comcast really doesn’t want him to win :lol:


Edit: here’s a tweet showing the video

https://twitter.com/cancel_sam/status/1214403311723565056?s=21


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Re: Sanders [Re: The Ecstatic]
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No bias there.

Answer me this:
At first, I thought holding the articles of imp was smart, politically. What happens when/if the Senate rolls this out? Wouldnt Bernie and Warren have to leave the campaign trail for the trial? How would holding this help any candidate at this point?


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Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Sanders [Re: SirTripAlot]
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It would help Biden, the candidate that Pelosi definitely wants to win the nomination.


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