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Re: Portland: Proud Boys vs. ANIFA [Re: mrmazdarx9]
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Come on guys, Patriot  Prayer are the good people Trump must have been talking about . Patriotic Christians who hunt down liberals to beat them up.


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Re: Portland: Proud Boys vs. ANIFA [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said:
Qman is not a nazi. He's clearly a Nationalist Conservative. Also known as a Nat-C, if you don't wanna type out the whole thing.


I'm not a "conservative" at all, but nice try.

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Re: Portland: Proud Boys vs. ANIFA [Re: Kryptos] * 1
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Kryptos said:
https://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/2019/08/26/27039560/undercover-in-patriot-prayer-insights-from-a-vancouver-democrat-whos-been-working-against-the-far-right-group-from-the-inside

Hehe, Patriot Prayer has been filmed planning violence against "leftists". For context, a bunch of Antifa counter protesters were going out for beers after the protest at Cider Riot.



Worth mentioning that all this video was captured by an antifascist taking advantage of the far-rights love affair with live-streaming (because internet celebrity = grifting donations). Who would have thought that allowing un-vetted people to record your group planning a fascist attack would be bad opsec.

Starts around 4:45


“I’m mostly here so that I can text people in case any of the fash attempt to go to where the counter-protesters are, and I’m getting who’s present so I can pass that information on to other people.”


This is the full video is them planning the attack:


Fascists aren't safe anywhere
antifascismo ovunque

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Re: Portland: Proud Boys vs. ANIFA [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Kryptos said:
Qman is not a nazi. He's clearly a Nationalist Conservative. Also known as a Nat-C, if you don't wanna type out the whole thing.


I'm not a "conservative" at all, but nice try.


:orly:

I would love to see the political compass you're using


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Re: Portland: Proud Boys vs. ANIFA [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 3
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shivas.wisdom said:
qman said:
Kryptos said:
Qman is not a nazi. He's clearly a Nationalist Conservative. Also known as a Nat-C, if you don't wanna type out the whole thing.


I'm not a "conservative" at all, but nice try.


:orly:

I would love to see the political compass you're using


How many "conservatives" make this list?

1. Pro-universal health care system.

2. Anti-drug prohibition.

3. Pro-abortion.

4. Anti-US military foreign interventions.

5. Anti-religion

6. Higher taxes on wealthy.

7. Pro-social programs for US citizens.

8. Pro-reversing wealth and income inequality.

9. Helping college students with tuition and existing debt.

10. Police and criminal justice reform.

Here's just some "liberal" positions on the top of my head, I'm sure there's plenty more.

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Re: Portland: Proud Boys vs. ANIFA [Re: qman] * 1
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Fair enough Maybe you should spend more time here discussing the listed topics instead of perpetually harping on migrants and social justice movements and this forums perception of you might change.

Here's a hypothetical: would you be more likely to vote for a politician who supported every item on your list but was pro-immigration, or for a politician who opposed every item on your list but was anti-immigration?


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Re: Portland: Proud Boys vs. ANIFA [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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Denmark, the new Nordic model.

:cookiemonster:


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Re: Portland: Proud Boys vs. ANIFA [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
Fair enough Maybe you should spend more time here discussing the listed topics instead of perpetually harping on migrants and social justice movements and this forums perception of you might change.

Here's a hypothetical: would you be more likely to vote for a politician who supported every item on your list but was pro-immigration, or for a politician who opposed every item on your list but was anti-immigration?


We’ve already been through this.

The only way he’d take Bernie over Trump is if Bernie “stopped the sjw nonsense.”


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Re: Portland: Proud Boys vs. ANIFA [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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Qman has a tendency to spout off high minded liberal beliefs, and then doggedly defend the people that believe the opposite.

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Re: Portland: Proud Boys vs. ANIFA [Re: Kryptos] * 1
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It’s almost like he only does the former to save face over the latter.


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Re: Portland: Proud Boys vs. ANIFA [Re: The Ecstatic]
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https://www.salon.com/2019/08/28/right-wing-journalist-andy-ngo-outed-video-shows-him-hanging-out-with-far-right-hate-group/

Say it ain't so Andy Ngo.


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Re: Portland: Proud Boys vs. ANIFA [Re: JHOVA] * 6
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What's your end game here - trying to save face by pretending to be shocked by this reveal? Too late. You already overplayed your hand here.

At best, you have displayed your complete inability to discern fascist propaganda from legitimate news reporting - because even the most basic of fact checking would have shown the lies behind Andy Ngos reporting on things like 'antifa hammer attack' - at worse, you have displayed your willful participation in spreading malicious fascist propaganda.

There's no putting the cat back into the bag now.


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Re: Portland: Proud Boys vs. ANIFA [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
Fair enough Maybe you should spend more time here discussing the listed topics instead of perpetually harping on migrants and social justice movements and this forums perception of you might change.

Here's a hypothetical: would you be more likely to vote for a politician who supported every item on your list but was pro-immigration, or for a politician who opposed every item on your list but was anti-immigration?


The reason why we don't discuss topics most of us agree on is because there's no point in doing it after a while. Most discussions are based on issues that involved some form of disagreement.

I'm unaware of what a pro-immigration politician is today? We have immigration laws on the books that most politicians/government make no effort to enforce regardless of their official stance on the issue.

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Re: Portland: Proud Boys vs. ANIFA [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
shivas.wisdom said:
Fair enough Maybe you should spend more time here discussing the listed topics instead of perpetually harping on migrants and social justice movements and this forums perception of you might change.

Here's a hypothetical: would you be more likely to vote for a politician who supported every item on your list but was pro-immigration, or for a politician who opposed every item on your list but was anti-immigration?


We’ve already been through this.

The only way he’d take Bernie over Trump is if Bernie “stopped the sjw nonsense.”


Well, Bernie may get my vote IF he lays off with the straight white male being the scapegoat for all of the worlds problems. In other words, stop with the identity politics and stay focused on the REAL issues. I guess, I'll wait and see.

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Re: Portland: Proud Boys vs. ANIFA [Re: qman] * 4
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qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
shivas.wisdom said:
Fair enough Maybe you should spend more time here discussing the listed topics instead of perpetually harping on migrants and social justice movements and this forums perception of you might change.

Here's a hypothetical: would you be more likely to vote for a politician who supported every item on your list but was pro-immigration, or for a politician who opposed every item on your list but was anti-immigration?


We’ve already been through this.

The only way he’d take Bernie over Trump is if Bernie “stopped the sjw nonsense.”


Well, Bernie may get my vote IF he lays off with the straight white male being the scapegoat for all of the worlds problems.


Bernie isn't doing that


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Re: Portland: Proud Boys vs. ANIFA [Re: qman] * 4
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All Ive ever heard him blame is 'the billionaire class'.  And he's right about that.  Wealth give you political power, and that is the opposite of citizen based democracy.

Never heard him blame straight white males.  Can you provide a link?

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Re: Portland: Proud Boys vs. ANIFA [Re: JohnRainy] * 1
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JohnRainy said:
All Ive ever heard him blame is 'the billionaire class'.  And he's right about that.  Wealth give you political power, and that is the opposite of citizen based democracy.

Never heard him blame straight white males.  Can you provide a link?


Qman probably just doesn't like that Bernie speaks to the entire working class and not just white people. https://jacobinmag.com/2019/08/poor-whites-have-been-written-out-of-history-for-a-very-political-reason


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Re: Portland: Proud Boys vs. ANIFA [Re: YangSupporter] * 1
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YangSupporter said:
qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
shivas.wisdom said:
Fair enough Maybe you should spend more time here discussing the listed topics instead of perpetually harping on migrants and social justice movements and this forums perception of you might change.

Here's a hypothetical: would you be more likely to vote for a politician who supported every item on your list but was pro-immigration, or for a politician who opposed every item on your list but was anti-immigration?


We’ve already been through this.

The only way he’d take Bernie over Trump is if Bernie “stopped the sjw nonsense.”


Well, Bernie may get my vote IF he lays off with the straight white male being the scapegoat for all of the worlds problems.


Bernie isn't doing that



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Re: Portland: Proud Boys vs. ANIFA [Re: JohnRainy] * 2
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Bernie said he wants to create a department to investigate white nationalists. No chance in hell he's going after the white vote with that. Any political dissident white will be categorized as a white supremecist. Gulaged, jailed, and sent to re education camp.

He does not want to categorize blacks that commit inter racial crimes as domestic terrorists despite their higher rate of murder, property crime, rape, and robbery per capita.

He's as anti white as they come.


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Re: Portland: Proud Boys vs. ANIFA [Re: JohnRainy]
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JohnRainy said:
All Ive ever heard him blame is 'the billionaire class'.  And he's right about that.  Wealth give you political power, and that is the opposite of citizen based democracy.

Never heard him blame straight white males.  Can you provide a link?


https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/07/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-wrong-say-when-youre-white-you-dont/

"you don't know what it's like to be hassled when you walk down the street or you get dragged out of a car"

Well, white people get hassled on the street all the time and they also get dragged out of cars by law enforcement all the time as well. Again, police reform is needed for ALL US citizens, not just non-whites. This is why this issue goes nowhere, people divide it up at the start of the discussion.

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