micelio said:

The 8 oz. deli container makes for a nice spore print chamber for making spore prints.
I put a 1/4" hole on the top in the center of the lid with Micropore Tape over the hole.

Cut a 2-1/2" piece of foil sanitize with 70% alc. place in the dish.
Place your shroom cap on top of foil. Snap on the lid and forget it for 12 or so hours.
You should have a nice spore print.
I made the mistake of not using a hole once. The shroom cap turned to mush.. (Not Good)


Deli containers: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26066566

https://www.webstaurantstore.com/choice-8-oz-microwavable-contact-clear-round-deli-container-and-lid-combo-pack-case/127RD8COMBO.html

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Caps McGee said:

Take a clone, AND a print! Sometimes shit don't work...

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verum subsequentis said:

In that note, when taking clones, take four or five. Sometimes shit don't work

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Caps McGee said:

I do in fact... nice distinction!

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verum subsequentis said:

In that note, when taking clones, take four or five. Sometimes shit don't work

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Grim420 said:

micelio said:

The 8 oz. deli container makes for a nice spore print chamber for making spore prints.
I put a 1/4" hole on the top in the center of the lid with Micropore Tape over the hole.

Cut a 2-1/2" piece of foil sanitize with 70% alc. place in the dish.
Place your shroom cap on top of foil. Snap on the lid and forget it for 12 or so hours.
You should have a nice spore print.
I made the mistake of not using a hole once. The shroom cap turned to mush.. (Not Good)


Deli containers: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26066566

https://www.webstaurantstore.com/choice-8-oz-microwavable-contact-clear-round-deli-container-and-lid-combo-pack-case/127RD8COMBO.html

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These are also great for agar work.

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micelio said:

How I dry and preserve mushrooms..

First I remove as much moisture by no heat air drying.

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Mad Season said:

Grungeman17 said:

IMO the drying tek that gives me the greatest  results is a 2 stage drying 1st course drying over a screen and fan 1xday. And then buy a bucket of damp rid and and some 99cent paper bags and put your yeild in bag or bags and check them the next day at which point you shoukd have some wetness on your paper bag, switch em out with fresh paper bags, rinse repeat may not have to, the damp rid container with secure layers of paper bags can be used as and extended temporary storage container for them. Once again IMO the fruit bodys seem to "cure" "crimple" "dry up" better with the slower and steadier draw of moisture and without the force of heat.

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Just going to leave this here..

bodhisatta said:

Tylershatto5 said:

i have a dehydrator i did it to help people who dont have one and it says on the box itll hold 2x the moisure as the weight and it weighs 9.8 ounces and theres maybe 50 grams wet in it not to mention all them were fan dried but 2 large caps so im sure its gonna work but i do think the dehydrator effects potency bc theres heat involved and anything over 90 degrees in my opinion has an effect bc i have ate fresh and dried and its just an experiment so no loss all gain

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well you're very misinformed

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23541779

one of the biggest things we have to always teach noobs is that heat actually protects potency by killing the enzymes that oxidize the active chemicals. and it dries them the fastest, fast drying = potency retention

Cronicr has put cubensis mushrooms in a pressure cooker and they still remained just as strong as the ones that were not cooked

psilocybin and psilocin don't even melt until well over 300F
but in room temperature will readily degrade if the mushrooms are still wet on the inside.

if you don't use a food dehydrator you would be far better off putting them in the fridge to dehydrate over the course of a few days.

I always make my mushrooms into tea.
I boil them for 10 minutes in 212F water and then strain them with a french press.
they hit hard as fuck, water is the best solute for the actives and gives the best extraction.

Tylershatto5 said:

dont use a house hold heater especially if u dont kno how hot it gets thats like saying put them in the oven

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the oven is fine if you set it as low as it goes, leave the door cracked, and point a fan at it.


psilocybe cubensis is usually 91-93% water in my experience.
100g wet will weigh about 7-9g dried up

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bodhisatta said:

I argue that heat will "fix" the mushroom. That is all the enzymes responsible for degrading the mushroom are inactivated by 160-170F heat.

Oxidation reactions involve moving electrons not necessarily diatomic oxygen molecules in the air. Steel doesn't readily rust for instance unless you get it wet. Faster dry more locking in of potency

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Mad Season said:

wolfedawwg said:

amidogen said:

dehydrators with heat lock in potency. Potency loss is largely attributed to degradation of psilocybin by enzymes in the mushrooms (not heat)

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Sorry but this is bad information!!
Oxidation is the biggest factor in degradation, but when you also add heat this process is accelerated!
Heat does NOT lock in potency. LESS exposure to oxygen BEST helps maintain potency.
With that being said, heat does kind of help keep the potency but ONLY because the shrooms have less exposure to oxygen which is most detrimental!

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Mad Season said:

Oxidation just means the exchange of electrons. Sometimes this is done with oxygen, but not in the case of psilocin. It's actually oxidizing because of hydrogen [H+] the air is actually mostly H2, O2, N2, etc, which in natural state are pretty stable and shouldn't cause too much potency loss, if at all. Enzymes breaking things down are where the OH- comes from. Enzymes are activated due to water, so yes water is partially the reason why it's breaking down. Although it's actually because of the enzymes. Enzymes also can be denatured at temps past 140. So realistically dehydrators turned to max are the absolute best at preserving potency. They denature the enzymes as well as dry the fruits to cracker dry ASAP.

The water in the air can start reactivating enzymes if its exposed to open air long enough. So yeah water is the reason, and not at all O2. Here's a cool pic of the oxidation, notice there's less hydrogen:

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Mad Season said:

Edmunter said:

Oxygen and heat will quickly degrade psilocin into ineffective compounds. Psilocin is so sensitive to oxygen, that when picking mushrooms, the stems quickly bruise bluish to dark black.

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Did you like not read the post above this? Let me break this shit down.

Psilocin oxidation involves the exchange of electrons. In this case hydrogen NOT oxygen.

Psilocin has a melting point of 350°F. Heat DOESN'T break it down. Actually the heat in a dehydrator (140+) helps maintain potency by denaturing enzymes (the reducing agents in this case)

Also show me the proof that 5mg of psilocin per 10g of fruit body is causing the entire fruit body to turn blue/black. Hint: mushrooms contain a quinone, a pigment that turns blue when digested by enzymes. It also has an alternating double and single bond that trap the wavelengths used to determine why they bruise

Honestly getting tired of saying this shit over and over again.

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Mad Season said:

It still hasn't been scientifically proven what causes bruising, but the wavelengths caught are the same as a quinone, and it's in mushrooms, they just haven't actually proven quinones are the cause of it. This shit comes from the 60s research. I really can't find the article on the 60s research right now. I'm in a rush, but here's the thread we really hashed out bruising, psilocin/potency, and links and what not to other bruising mushrooms, and how various pigments getting digested by enzymes cause them to bruise.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23667461#23667461

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This has been very thoroughly discussed lol.

Also proven because you can leave fruits in a dehydrator for 48+ hours and see no potency loss.

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All this was found using the search function properly.

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micelio said:

For those that want to get serious and dry grain or large amounts of shrooms..
Try putting to gather something like this.. The lower section is a gutted out broken down box fan. It can be built out of wood If need be. The upper section is a box fan. 20 dollars ebay.
On top is a 1000 watt. hotplate, Very simple to put together.





This unit will run at 120f degrees with a large volume of hot air.

The force air box fan is a 80 watt unit.
The hotplate is a 1000 watt unit.
In comparison to my store bought dehydrator 400 watts.

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Yup yup and yup. I use the same burner 😅. I just dump them in mesh drawer baskets and can stack them 7 high in the side panels. They dry perfect and are in nice blocks