Auto-SummaryThis forum post delves into a complex discussion surrounding mental illness, gender identity, and firearm ownership rights in Canada. The original poster, stzacrack, expresses concern about the potential risks of mentally ill individuals owning firearms, arguing that protecting their rights could lead to personal injury or suicide. They question whether certain behaviors, like gender dysphoria, should be classified as mental illness.
In response, another user argues that gender dysphoria is a recognized mental illness and that transitioning has a higher success rate in alleviating this condition compared to other treatments. They emphasize that transitioning is a complex process involving medical interventions and hormone therapy, and that it should not be equated with self-mutilation.
The post then touches on the topic of physician-assisted suicide in Canada, comparing it to suicide by individuals without mental health conditions. The user suggests that physician-assisted suicide is a valid option when it can alleviate suffering, even if it may seem harsh to a younger, healthier individual.
The conversation then shifts to the topic of body modification, with the original poster expressing confusion about the line between self-mutilation and medically necessary body modification. They share personal experiences and the challenges they face as a transwoman, emphasizing that their transition is about recognizing themselves as women, rather than changing their biological sex.
Ultimately, the post raises important questions about mental health, gender identity, and the ethical considerations surrounding firearm ownership, transitioning, and body modification. It highlights the need for informed discussions and a nuanced understanding of these complex issues.
stzacrack said: ... I don't have anger towards mentally ill people, but I don't want legislation passed protecting the rights of people whobdont deserve them if they are mentally impaired and those rights might culminate in personal injury
Disagree, Canada needs to pass legislation allowing me ownership of firearms despite being mentally ill e.e being denied the right to protect myself out of concerns it may instead lead to my personal injury or suicide is a bunch of bullshit
stzacrack said: No-one here is a physician, and especially has no authority to make a position, but honestly, isn't this self mutilatuon, dysphoria thing a form of mental illness?
Thinking you're something/someone you're not? ...
Well, gender dysphoria is not uniform across transpeople, but it is a form of mental illness and despite not being successful for everyone, transitioning has a higher rate of success in getting rid of gender dysphoria than other avenues currently being explored and tested
from that angle, it is not self-mutilation as it is mitigated through health professionals; Canada also allows physician assisted suicide and we treat that as situationally valid rather than the appalling reality of suicide that a younger/more physically healthy individual would represent it is even difficult to argue it as body modification; the surgical interventions are so complex (literally the shaft of the penis gets inverted and the head becomes a clitoris, or for transmen there are matters of hysterectomy and penis assembly) and there are additional involvements like requiring approved hormone therapy for several years before qualifying for surgery as they have to be sure you can survive on artificial hormones after the removal of the means of generating your own
as an aside, this is the factor that may actually keep me from undergoing bottom surgery in the end am fine with the concept of taking hormones for the rest of my life but fear that it would mean my body would get all fucked up not from just radiation in the event of apocalypse
 but from subsequent loss of accessibility to medical services and artificial hormones
it is more akin to body modification than self mutilation tho which interests me, as remember going through the bmezine website in high school and there were literally people who would split their penis in half or cut off the head and play with it despite them being self-identified as men and often also quite jacked up and tattooed all over so the line is already blurry
but as a transwoman, am not looking to mutilate my penis it frustrates me for reasons of evacuation and clothing but have never had the desire to just slice it up and watch it bleed like with my arms and legs in my self mutilation phase
but the matter of "Thinking you're something/someone you're not" has an interesting resonance to me my mother has never treated me like a girl, and has had a difficult time adjusting to the idea of me being trans but my parents did give me a gender neutral name at birth so unlike an instance such as Bruce-->Caitlyn or Thomas James Gabel-->Laura Jane Grace my transitioning does not necessitate my identifying myself as "someone else"
which then leaves only to the affair of "something" else and that is not necessarily the case either; it is my ideal to be recognized as a woman (rather than a man or 'just' a transwoman) in the social sphere but my recognition of myself is as a continuous individual it is just an affair of understanding myself as a transwoman, rather than all the effort of decades of trying to match up to some concept of being a man
as a transwoman, some of my experiences are still distinct from cis women tho will never get to experience gestating and birthing a child, my body can't do that nor be artificially made to do that if motherhood is synonymous with womanhood, then my best expression of such would only be available to me through adoption, as it would with a sterile cis woman this comes loaded with another reality -- despite the fact that it is feasible for me to experience sexual violence followed by physical violence as 'punishment' from a man cis women have to deal with the reality that sexual violence is more likely to be accompanied by issues of unwanted pregnancy and having to potentially pursue abortion or adoption
so then what matters in assessment is, to what degree is transitioning causing me physical harm? well, sterility is a side-effect of taking hormones; however, personally pursued vasectomy before ever finding out transpeople exist and as was the case with vasectomy, in proper health care, going onto hormone therapy includes a precursor step of being referred to a clinic for preservation services will grow breast tissue that would just be sort of there and floppy if stopping taking hormones, so suppose there is a place for criticism in that
if my tits aren't big enough to satisfy me (as more frequently occurs with cis women than trans women) then would silicone implants be body modification or self mutilation? would there be a threshold for size that differs from cis women seeking to enlarge their breasts was someone like Acidic_Sloth ( ) practicing self mutilation when she sought breast reduction?
maximum rambling reminds me that meditating before sitting down and posting on the Shroomery really ought to be higher on my priority list x-x
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