Barnaby said:

watched a whole John Oliver show on it and I still don't get it.

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Great Scott said:

Barnaby said:

watched a whole John Oliver show on it and I still don't get it.

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That explains his misunderstanding.

He will want to check with Nigel Farage, the creator and spearhead of BREXIT.

Barnaby said:

God, I researched it and watched a whole John Oliver show on it and I still don't get it.

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The three said they would now sit with a new grouping in Parliament that broke away from the Labour Party earlier this week over increasing frustration with their leader Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit strategy and a row over anti-Semitism.

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Barnaby said:

God, I researched it and watched a whole John Oliver show on it and I still don't get it.

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Stable Genius said:

Jeremy Corbens Labour Party have had 8 members 'defect' to form some sort of loose alliance.
3 of Theresa May's conservative party today joined them.

Apparently the Labour defectors had problems with 'anti semitic' statements from Corben.

It'd be good to see someone from the U.K. post to hear more on that.

Regardless of whether I agree with Theresa May I think she has proved to be a very tenacious person/politician and I don't envy her job at all.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-21/3-uk-conservative-lawmakers-defect-to-new-independent-group/10831370

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The three said they would now sit with a new grouping in Parliament that broke away from the Labour Party earlier this week over increasing frustration with their leader Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit strategy and a row over anti-Semitism.

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This group were elected based on an extremely popular Labour manifesto but they aren't calling a new election. They aren't registering as a party because that means they'd have to follow certain rules like being transparent about their funding. They are some of the more right wing Labour politicians (which in the US you'd probably call communism lol) and frankly Labour supporters (me included) are happy they left. They registered their website in 2015 when Corbyn was made leader, they did their best all this time to get rid of him despite a massive surge of people joining the party because of Corbyn. I hated Labour under the Blair, they sold out the country, took us to war and royally fucked the name Labour used to have as being the party of the working classes.

Corbyn, who has always fought racism - including antisemitism - happens to be pro palestinian rights. in fact I only knew who he was when he went for the leadership because I used to see him all the time at Palestinian solidarity events. He has a long and consistent career. He wants to tax the 1%, nationalise certain industries (with widespread backing) and shut down arms sales to regimes like the saudis and israelis. Because he is pro palestinian rights, a massive smear campaign has been targetting him to such an extreme that some people believe it. That being said, there have been small pockets, examples of people's criticism of Israel that have verged into antisemitic tropes. It can be problematic because it is a documented fact that the Israeli government has undue influence in British politics. There was an undercover documentary on the subject relating both to the UK and US government but even with this evidence, to suggest that Israel has influence is spun as an antisemitic trope of a "jewish conspiracy". Corbyn has condemned antisemitism. The MPs that resigned claimed it was over antisemitism and brexit but some of them were quoted as dismissing accusation of antisemitism themselves. Some of those involved were also caught on camera dealing with Israeli operatives in the documentary. Documentary is called "the lobby" and its seriously worth a watch - both the UK one and the US. Yes its funded by Al Jazeera English so I know some members here will just dismiss it outright but the evidence speaks for itself.

If you have specific questions I can try to answer them. In the mean time are a couple of things to check out.

THIS has some details about each of the initial MPs who left the party
https://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.com/2019/02/what-you-need-to-know-about-seven.html

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=400680034071149

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=389836771846241

Obviously you can see I'm biased towards Corbyn but let me know if I can try to answer anything for you.

One particularly interesting thing I found is that Chuka Umunna is saying they would call for Brexit to be cancelled. There are many people supportive of this but since they aren't actually a party running candidates, I'm not sure what would really come of that. Perhaps more will join them. Personally I think the Labour party is better for it now they've left but the country is extremely divided right now and cancelling Brexit is certainly attractive.

Personally I believe its a mistake when Labour supporters outright dismiss antisemitism. Its more than a smear that has been blown out of proportions, but it exists.. Even if it exists less in Labour than in wider society...

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The major obstacle is that her opponents both internal and external know that they can continue to blow up the process for political purposes.

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Tipote said:

longer video about the splinter group

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That was a bloody good take on Centrist politics really interesting

Stable Genius said:

Hey thanks for the detailed post from on the ground Tipote and for balancing my perspective/comments on Corbyn.

He actually sounds reasonable with some of that policy. Populist politics always sound good but whether they are achievable is usually the problem.

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Stable Genius said:

What's your take on the major obstacles confronting Theresa May that needs to be agreed upon by Labour and the Tories to avoid the U.K. crashing out of the EU customs union? Or are there too many? Is a deal even possible with the EU's refusal to budge on the Northern Ireland problem?

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About Theresa May, I believe there is too much to overcome and she isn't willing to bend, her deal is shit but if everyone keeps voting it down in Parliament then she can blame them for the inevitable no deal. It seems like a big gamble to me. She is playing a game of chicken (IMO) to keep bringing her deal to parliament until MPs vote for that rather than no deal.

Personally I think the only way of moving forward is with an election. JC has been speaking to the EU and the EU said they would be open to renegotiation if there was a change of mandate ie if there was an election. I dont see a solution to the NI situation... it is likely to give us more IRA attacks. There was a carbomb in NI not long ago.

Understandably the EU don't want to give some magical deal to the UK that is better than membership, otherwise everyone will want it and the EU would collapse. the EU sees the UK as fucking insane because the UK had one of the best positions in the EU, paying less than countries like Italy.. but the truth is, I dont think the establishment thought Leave would win. It was only done to keep the conservative party splitting over it. right wing UKIP leader Farage pushed for a referendum and Tories were leaving to join UKIP. David Cameron did it to make everyone happy and it blew up in his fucking stupid face.. and then he resigned (the cock).

So yeah.. this isn't going to be fun.

I think maybe another general election - maaaaaybe a second referendum - but the fascists won't like it and they are definitely winning the culture wars and getting more violent.. here and everywhere .

going to bed, catch you lot another time