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Rape law permits changing mind during sex act
    #1777049 - 08/04/03 01:07 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/07/30/rape.law.ap/index.html


Illinois law believed to be first of its kind in the country
Wednesday, July 30, 2003 Posted: 10:10 AM EDT (1410 GMT)




SPRINGFIELD, Illinois (AP) -- A new rape law in Illinois attempts to clarify the issue of consent by emphasizing that people can change their mind while having sex.

Under the law, if someone says "no" at any time the other person must stop or it becomes rape. The National Crime Victim Law Institute said it believed the law is the first of its kind in the country.

Lyn Schollett, general counsel for the Illinois Coalition Against Sexual Assault, said the law was important to make it clear to victims, offenders, prosecutors and juries that people have the right to halt sexual activity at any time.

"I think it will empower prosecutors in charging cases where the victim and the offender have a sexual history," she said.

But the director of the Victim Advocacy & Research Group in Boston said it would be hard to imagine courts not upholding a woman's right to withdraw consent.

"To me, it's demeaning," Wendy Murphy said. "It's like the old saying: 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it.' I don't think it was broke."

The law was inspired by a California case involving two 17-year-olds who had sex at a party. The girl changed her mind about having sex, but the boy did not stop immediately.

He was charged with rape, and it took years for the courts to decide that he could be found guilty under California law. The California Supreme Court ruled in January that a man can be convicted if a woman first consents but later asks him to stop.

Lawmakers said they wanted to avoid the same kind of long legal battle in Illinois. Gov. Rod Blagojevich signed the law Friday but did not announce it until Monday.

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I have some family in Illonois but I will never live there. Their gun laws are bad enough, but this is stupid!

Bitch: Officer, I changed my mind while I after I climaxed but he didn't stop can we put him in prison for 15 years?


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1777066 - 08/04/03 01:14 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I think the maximum penalty for that should be a small fine.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1777094 - 08/04/03 01:28 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

-----You don't see any women complaining about
making rape laws even worse.

Men: 'We are frightened of all of malicious/liberal
whores who will trick us into raping them and then
send us to prison and they will watch Mad About You
re-runs instead of scrubbing the floors, etc.'

Women: 'Seriously, you can't have sex with us if
we don't want you to. Just because we're fucking
stupid (or, say, drunk or you're a coercive asshole)
and we let you put your penis inside of us a little
bit and even move it around, doesn't mean we sacrifice
ownership of our own bodies. Get over yourselves.
There is no feminist conspiracy to send men to prison
for rapes that they didn't commit. Show us some
statistics or something more than, My cousin's
friend's nephew got it on with this bitch and then
the morning after she called the cops and said he
raped her.'

Men: 'Ehhh. We still run the world, you dumb bitches.'


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: bivalve]
    #1777242 - 08/04/03 02:45 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

still, there are many a dumb bitch, and you can't tell me this won't help a few of them with some grudges.

anyone see "the life of david gale"?


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Malachi]
    #1777252 - 08/04/03 02:49 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

this whole issue would be a lot less confusing if women didn't so often say 'no' and really mean 'yes'



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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1777271 - 08/04/03 02:59 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

This whole issue would be a lot less confusing if
men didn't rape women so often.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: bivalve]
    #1777308 - 08/04/03 03:43 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

both statements are true.... and noncontradictory...


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: DoctorJ]
    #1777332 - 08/04/03 04:03 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

But, saying things like, "Women 'no' and really mean
'yes'" and, "This law won't work because women lie
too much" is meant to support a sexist idea. Neither
of those things really makes any sense. It would be
like saying, "Making stronger laws against shoplifting
would only encourage more store managers to bring false
charges against innocent shoppers!" (But you wouldn't
say that because you don't have the deep loathing and
mistrust of store managers that you do of women, right?)



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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: bivalve]
    #1777351 - 08/04/03 04:11 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

What if the woman just quietly mumbles "no" or says "aren't you done yet" If the guy keeps going is that rape, and how long should he go to jail?


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1777359 - 08/04/03 04:16 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

there a lesson here for us guys:

finish first and finish FAST!


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1777365 - 08/04/03 04:20 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

They'll probably make that illegal next.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1777371 - 08/04/03 04:25 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

She should have to forcefully make the point,
probably, or it's too bad.

If you were having sex with a guy and you
reconsidered, even though you'd done ecstasy
with him at a circuit party and gone back to
your apartment, and you told him, "Please stop
penetrating my asshole with your cock," you
should expect him to stop.

I don't know about a sentence. A maximum of
half of whatever a maximum rape sentence is
and a minimum of I don't know. I don't know
if it's a good idea to consider it half a
rape and I don't know what a good sentence
would be.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: bivalve]
    #1777381 - 08/04/03 04:33 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

>>>She should have to forcefully make the point,
probably, or it's too bad.<<<

I can agree with that.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1777393 - 08/04/03 04:43 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

infidelGOD said:
there a lesson here for us guys:

finish first and finish FAST!
   



That's my philosophy. Best is to beat off until you're almost ready and then stick it in. Then it's just boom boom boom and you're done.  :smirk:


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1777615 - 08/04/03 09:45 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I believe that anytime a woman tells you to stop, you stop. That is pretty simple. If you don't stop you are forcing her to do something she does not want to do. I wonder how many false claims actually happen. I would think this is a lot more prevalent in younger girls who regret doing it in the morning, so the yell rape. I would also think that this would amount to a small percentage of actual victims though. That is pure speculation on my part though.

Anyway the problem with the law is how do you prove it? Would there be any physical evidence? I guess there would have to be some sort of physical damage to show a struggle happened. Otherwise it is just he said she said. It seems like this will just make it even harder to figure out if a woman was raped or not.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: shakta]
    #1777624 - 08/04/03 09:57 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Anyway the problem with the law is how do you prove it? 




Mandatory videotaping of ALL sexual activity :wink: 


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: shakta]
    #1777626 - 08/04/03 09:59 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Do you have any idea how hard it is for a guy to stop once he's going? Once the girls moaning and you're going who knows what shes saying, not that you could stop anyways. I think someone could shoot me with a small claiber pistol and it wouldn't much affect me much until I was done.


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: whiterasta]
    #1777627 - 08/04/03 10:00 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Mandatory videotaping of ALL sexual activity


Now there's an idea who's time has cum.... I mean come.

But how do you explain it to your (anyones) significant other?


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Re: Rape law permits changing mind during sex act [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1777690 - 08/04/03 10:37 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Bullshit law, period.


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    #1777717 - 08/04/03 10:53 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

They proposed a new law in Britain recently about rape. It would have meant accused men would have to more or less prove that the woman had verbally consented to sex, and how often do you actually discuss it beforehand? It also would have meant that even if the woman had given her full written consent, it could still be rape if she'd been drinking. The law didn't get through, I think they passed a less strict one.



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