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Re: Problems with Buddhism? [Re: Huehuecoyotl] * 2
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Buddhism and meditation is a practice that expands our perspective and allows us to learn how we disturb ourselves.

This type of inquiry can be terrifying. Most people would rather suffer.

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Re: Problems with Buddhism? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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I largely agree. Although I haven't met a person who doesn't suffer. I think believing that is achievable, while hopeful, may cause suffering in believers from the start.

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Re: Problems with Buddhism? [Re: Kickle]
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So suffering is the truth?


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Edited by BrendanFlock (12/07/18 01:30 AM)

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Re: Problems with Buddhism? [Re: BrendanFlock]
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Possibly. What do your experiences tell you?

For me the best case scenario has started to look like the taoist story of the farmer who's son breaks his leg and everyone fawns and says it's so terrible. and the farmer responds maybe, maybe not. and then the military comes recruiting but they skip the son because of his broken leg. and then everyone fawns and says it's so great and lucky. and the farmer says maybe, maybe not.

IMO the issue is in believing that one should not be suffering when one is. And visa-versa.

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Re: Problems with Buddhism? [Re: Kickle]
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There is no such 'thing' as "Buddhism",
'Pure land' buddhist practice is completely different from 'Zen' Buddhist practice.

Likewise with christianity:
Poison snake handlers in Texas hardly seem the same religion as say Benedictine monks.

Like wise with 'art'. Pop art and medieval  religious painting occurred in very different cultures, and had very different meanings and purposes. To call them both "art' is misleading.

But this is what ordinary language does, it overgeneralizes, which helps create a mindset, that allows debates over nothing, for those who like to pass their time "debating".

But don't let my 'pompous ivory tower intellectualism' stop you from enjoying the fray!

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Re: Problems with Buddhism? [Re: laughingdog]
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True IMO. There isn't anything such as Buddhism. But the word is quite useful to communicate ideas with.

Your post is a good reminder tho. Life can be very good at providing reminders when they are needed and listened to. There's my Christian roots, speaking of.


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Problems with Buddhism? [Re: life is good]
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Buddhism is and always has been counter to "Buddha" and his exact teachings. because it is a noble cause not a "relent from suffering, gained through enlightenment" like most people seem to think.

Edited by akira_akuma (12/08/18 01:56 PM)

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Re: Problems with Buddhism? [Re: akira_akuma]
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that's beautiful bro


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Problems with Buddhism? [Re: Kickle]
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what is?

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Re: Problems with Buddhism? [Re: akira_akuma]
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what you said

p.s. i liked it better before the edit :smile:


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Re: Problems with Buddhism? [Re: Kickle]
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Re: Problems with Buddhism? [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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I am surprised by Akira Akuma's breadth of knowledge of Buddha's noble path.

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Re: Problems with Buddhism? [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
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i don't need to simply, by rote, give you a disquisition on the path- i can incorporate my own thoughts and ideas- seeing as though, i'm not on that particular (and true) path. the later schools preach only likenesses of it. they are different. that is all there is to it. they aren't inherently wrong. just not 'the same'.

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Re: Problems with Buddhism? [Re: akira_akuma]
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so the authentic ones are original ones such as yourself.

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Re: Problems with Buddhism? [Re: redgreenvines]
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no. you're being, just, silly. i mean, that, sorta like with Jesus, there was one way to do things concerning their 'doctrine'. the doctrine, therefrom, in Buddha's case as well, had underwent change, and thus did not remain the same.

is that clear enough for you, dude?

Edited by akira_akuma (12/10/18 10:11 AM)

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Re: Problems with Buddhism? [Re: akira_akuma]
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What is clear is that you are basing your statement on mythical historical religious figures on facts that nobody can know specifically since all records of it (life and times of Jesus & life and times of Buddha) are unverifiable, and most likely (fictions) created  after the fact.


This is not personal.


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Re: Problems with Buddhism? [Re: redgreenvines]
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you can say what you want to say; you could have made that^ clear, as your wont for examination didn't appear to lead in that direction- it's a folly, for sure- because i don't really give a fuck what people practice. they are allowed to practice new forms of things. so i don't know what time or verifiability has to do with anything. my point in bringing up doctrine (in this thread about fucking Buddhism) is to highlight the fact that these new forms are just that, dispersion's, or 'disintegration's' of the original doctrine, and that they delineate along a certain contextual line, for each their own, and therefore, one has to be clear in distinction to ascertain what is relevant. in otherwords, 'dogma' doesn't matter- what i think is relevant along the lines of this entire thread, as dense of a concept it may be, can be summed up in a quote:

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"Self-relation is a defeasible and disequilibrial constructive process. it is a process whereby geist utilizes the intelligibility of its structural transformations (its history) as a model for conceiving itself from the standpoint of a reality that is in excess of it. Not only are geist's actions informed by this mode[l], they also exhibit it. The positive freedom of geist- the freedom to do something- is an expression of this self-relation, which is that of formal autonomy. In its simplest terms  and most embryonic form this self-relation is the trivial tautology 'I am I' (I=I). But in positing this very tautology, geist comes to the realization that the accomplished individuality that it takes itself to be is in fact an ongoing process of individuation from the perspective of that which is not this I: the other I, and reality in its radical otherness. That is to say, the positing of self-consciousness as formal- as abstracted from any particular or substantive content- enables what is conscious to be conscious of itself only in so far as some other object mediates its 'immediate' relation to itself"



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Re: Problems with Buddhism? [Re: akira_akuma]
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that quote does not seem relevant to Buddhist practice as far as I can unravel; where in this picture is the awareness of mental contents arising and passing without indulgence or avoidance?


The only model that is acceptable would be voidness, i.e. no model, in order to accommodate a continuum of change.


All that blumpf about an object mediating its immediate relation to itself is tangential to the extreme.


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Re: Problems with Buddhism? [Re: redgreenvines]
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This thread is forever active.

Let him dance in his own fire. :thumbup:

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Re: Problems with Buddhism? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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Duncan Rowhl said:
This thread is forever active.

Let him dance in his own fire. :thumbup:



you're literally full of it. me dance in fire? you're the once dancing in fire here.

you making assumptions like "he isn't talking like i talk, i don't get it, hence, he's burning right now" is so typically an attitude of the weak and the lost, that it's no wonder you preach the Christian doctrine. sorry but all you people, you "orthodox" people, are supremely full of the most fundamental shit, it's obvious that soon there will probably be some kind of spiritual warfare. individuals with understanding and dogmatic hounds with little to zero understanding.

i'm ready whenever you are. well, i mean, you keep trying to insinuate that every who doesn't "speak from your doctrine", Duncan, is "burning"-- but that's because you think you are very high and mighty. you're still, WRONG, as ever, though.

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that quote does not seem relevant to Buddhist practice as far as I can unravel; where in this picture is the awareness of mental contents arising and passing without indulgence or avoidance?



it's the realizing of the self as self-consciousness, and with that realizing, you can be aware of mental contents arising and passing without indulgence.

in fact, methinks you really actually DON'T know what the fuck the goal is that was endeavored upon.

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The only model that is acceptable would be voidness, i.e. no model, in order to accommodate a continuum of change.



already ahead of you. the self-reflection is noted as "voidness" because it a constantly self-replicating cycle. hence, the warning of Buddha concerning the reality of no-self as being the baseline for Actuality.

he was a philosopher, not a 'pain management guru' (mental or otherwise) for people who are weak.

Edited by akira_akuma (12/10/18 06:13 PM)

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