BANANA.MAN said:

qman said:

https://nypost.com/2018/10/29/jewish-group-to-trump-you-are-not-welcome-in-pittsburgh/

"For the past three years your words and policies have emboldened a growing white nationalist movement, they said"

"Pittsburgh affiliate Ben of Arc, a national social justice group of progressive Jews"

Oh the irony, Jewish Nationalists calling out alleged "White nationalists".

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they arent "jewish nationalists" and infact, as far as i can tell they are not pro zionist. their website is all about social justice and resisting trump and says nothing about israel. and it would be very strange if a group that far left were pro zionist . you dont know what you're talking about. national just means nation wide.

i will say it was really stupid for the media to say that "jewish leaders say trump isnt welcome until he denounces white nationalism" bend the arc is a partisan political group. its not about judaism and they arent a bunch of of rabbis who are highly respected. they arent jewish leaders. and a rabbi at the synagogue himself said the president is always welcome. and its even more ridiculous because the guy who attacked the synagogue himself says he doesnt like trump. he thinks trump is a globalist.

so its disingenuous to say that trump motivated the attack and to say that "jewish leaders" are saying trump isnt welcome. the alt right and old school white supremecists are mad at him. he did give a little wink wink, nudge nudge to the alt right during his candidacy which was wrong but hes since turned away from them and now the alt right dont like him. hes also been very pro israel. and white supremecists and the alt right tend to be quite anti israel.

is trump responsible for saying some things that increase political hostility? yes. is trump responsible for anti semitic attacks by ehite supremecists? not at all. especially not when those white supremecists themselves are vocal about not liking him and especially when trump has been very pro israel and pro jewish during his presidency.

the guy who killed those jews is a horrible person. and yes bend the arc is a partisan political group that is using this tradgedy to advance their political causes. but lets not turn this horrible event into something to argue over. we should all agree about anti semitism. its wrong. and my heart goes out to the congregation at the tree of life synagogue.

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I agree with many of the things you stated in this post.

BANANA.MAN said:

its [bend the arc] not about judaism and they arent a bunch of of rabbis who are highly respected. they arent jewish leaders.

the alt right and old school white supremecists are mad at him. he did give a little wink wink, nudge nudge to the alt right during his candidacy which was wrong but hes since turned away from them and now the alt right dont like him.

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relic said:

BANANA.MAN said:

its [bend the arc] not about judaism and they arent a bunch of of rabbis who are highly respected. they arent jewish leaders.

the alt right and old school white supremecists are mad at him. he did give a little wink wink, nudge nudge to the alt right during his candidacy which was wrong but hes since turned away from them and now the alt right dont like him.

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do you have any sources for the assertions noted above?  imo, these are not commonly known to be true and as such i'd like to see how you deduced what you've written.

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koods said:

There is very little support for trump in the American Jewish community.

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relic said:

BANANA.MAN said:

its [bend the arc] not about judaism and they arent a bunch of of rabbis who are highly respected. they arent jewish leaders.

the alt right and old school white supremecists are mad at him. he did give a little wink wink, nudge nudge to the alt right during his candidacy which was wrong but hes since turned away from them and now the alt right dont like him.

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do you have any sources for the assertions noted above?  imo, these are not commonly known to be true and as such i'd like to see how you deduced what you've written.

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koods said:

There is very little support for trump in the American Jewish community.

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qman said:

koods said:

There is very little support for trump in the American Jewish community.

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http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/how-the-faithful-voted-a-preliminary-2016-analysis/

He got more votes than Bush and McCain.

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The Ecstatic said:

qman said:

koods said:

There is very little support for trump in the American Jewish community.

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http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/how-the-faithful-voted-a-preliminary-2016-analysis/

He got more votes than Bush and McCain.

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But less than Romney.


By the way, most succeeding presidents get more votes than their predecessor, simply due to population expansion.

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qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

qman said:

koods said:

There is very little support for trump in the American Jewish community.

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http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/how-the-faithful-voted-a-preliminary-2016-analysis/

He got more votes than Bush and McCain.

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But less than Romney.


By the way, most succeeding presidents get more votes than their predecessor, simply due to population expansion.

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My mistake, he got a higher PERCENTAGE of votes than those guys, I don't know about TOTAL votes.

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qman said:

I'm not sure why anyone would find that surprising.

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BANANA.MAN said:

for starters the acctual white supremecist we are talking about who acctually killed the jews himself was vocal about thinking trump is a globalist. i think thats definately relevant when determining whether or not trump is responsible.


white supremecists and anti semites tend to dislike his foreign policy. specifically in regard to israel. trump has been very pro israel and we all know anti semites and white supremecists dont like israel. richard spencer sided with bashar assad over trump.

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BANANA.MAN said:

trump condemed all forms of racism and violence on the aniversary of charlottesville which is an improvement.

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BANANA.MAN said:

look on bend the arc's website. they are a left winged political group.  not a religious organization. their website is all about politics and doesnt have any imformation on judaism. it was started by none other than george soros' son. who is not a religious figure. hes a political figure. there are 5 million jews in the usa alone. they have just over 25k likes on facebook. who knows how many of those people are observant jews. and i highly doubt they have many orthodox followers if any.

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relic said:

qman said:

I'm not sure why anyone would find that surprising.

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i'm not sure why you don't have the courage to write Jew News Network and instead pretend like you had a keyboard malfunction.

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qman said:

Why would I want to do that? 

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qman said:

Are you suggesting Jews and mainstream media outlets have something in common?  Please explain, this is the first time I have ever heard of this possible connection.

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BANANA.MAN said:

because orthodox jews dont even respect conservative jewish rabbis let alone reform rabbis or secular jewish political figures. i could be wrong. i have studied judaism quite a bit though as i care alot about biblical values and have looked into converting in the past. who knows though.

also most ethnic jews in the usa are liberal but most orthodox jews (although not all) are politically conservative.

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