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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
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Zaid said:
Scratch that. You're orange.


Pinkish, actually:



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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
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st1llnox said:
Its clearly the negroes!


Negroes. Science. :hahathatsfunny:
Jesus Christ. I'm joking.

Jokeshopbeard said:
Pinkish, actually:




You mean grayscale?


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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Thats the writing drug, ill put out a novel on it.


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Nimph]
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Get as high as possible on weed when you wake up

after it wears off you wont be adhd for the rest of the day :thumbup:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
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I have caffeine pills.

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: cannabinated]
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cannabinated said:
Get as high as possible on weed when you wake up

after it wears off you wont be adhd for the rest of the day :thumbup:


Lol to do my reading for social science classes if it was dry I would go out to a forest and take like maybe 1 or 2 hits and man could I focus... it was crazy.

I'm an addict and like to overdo weed though cause it takes stress away though. Stimulants I hate how they make me feel but they work, though I'm having trouble convincing myself having speed in my body for the next 25 years is going to improve my life and health overall...


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
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it feels like you came back from war and everything else youre dealing with is smooth for the rest of the day
you basically just annihilate your ego before you start your day and nothing will bother you

helps me at least. You need to wake up extra early to do it though.

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: cannabinated]
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That's how I feel on a wider time scale... e.g. a couple weeks of tons of weed and now I'm feeling like I came back from a war and the next couple weeks are going to be smooth


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st1lln0x: so i'm on weed, temazepam, adderall, dexedrine, dxm, dph, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, tryptophan, GABA, and kratom
Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Nimph] * 2
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This has been a pretty thoughtful and somewhat insightful thread. You guys are all very bright.I'm a lot older than most of you guys but I think I can contribute to this thread.

I'm positive that I have ADD and had ADHD earlier in my life (ring finger much longer than index, BTW)....I also have 2 sons that were/are definitely ADHD. My deal was that I could not concentrate on one thing during early school years (this was before ADD or ADHD were even invented) The solution then was to hold me back a year which def. helped but it was still difficult to grasp some of the concepts in Algebra or Chemistry...I had to read things twice or three times to retain the info.

I made it through high school even though I was smoking weed every morning, noon and night  from 9th grade on.Mostly with the help of a friend or two. I was also drinking a lot at an early age which turned into full blown alcoholism later in life. I got married early because of a pregnant gf  and had a child just after HS graduation.
Lol, he was a wound up kid from the beginning...fast talking and always moving. When he got into 1st or second grade the teachers kept calling us in because of his class clown behavior and constant acting out , although his grades were good. They called him ADHD right from the get go and recommended Ritalin. We were also in the middle of a divorce at this time, so that probably played into his behavior.

Ritalin (methylphenidate) was looked at as this miracle drug for teachers as it transformed these misbehaving, disruptive kids into model students. I believe that school nurses could actually prescribe it back then...around 1983-1984. I was in a  2 yr. business course night school at Johns Hopkins at the time and I had a Technical writing paper to write so I chose Ritalin as the subject, to see exactly what was behind this magical concoction. I'm going by memory because I can't find my paper but I do remember most of the facts that were burned into my memory by sheer shock.

I found that The terms ADD and ADHD were actually coined by a pharmaceutical company called CIBA in the early seventies. Ritalin was tested in inner city Baltimore schools and was shown to be beneficial to the behavior of unruly kids...The study was done by a guy named John Conner that worked at Johns Hopkins (who conducted the study)  if you want to look it up. They also did some other testing like EEG's and stuff....they actualy found that a Child's EEG graph on Ritalin was almost identical to a man's EEG under the influence of cocaine. Their brains were working almost the same. Ciba pushed this drug to all physicians, pediatricians and, of course, school nurses and aides.They couldn't explain exactly why this stimulant seemed to settle down ADHD kids but would stimulate adults....so they coined the term "paradoxical effect". to describe it.They also said that kids would only need to take it until puberty (which turned out to be false)
They used promotions like cruises or other vacations for those that wrote the most prescriptions. It was crazy and criminal in my mind (partly because I had done a lot of cocaine by that time and there was no way I wanted my kid to feel that way all the time) so I took a stance against it and went all the way up to the child psychologist that almost insisted my son take it, also, my ex wife was for it...I presented these facts and said no way is that kid gonna take that and eventually won the battle.

He, like me had to study harder and try to learn to listen by cutting out distractions ....doing things like closing your eyes while listening to someone so you wouldn't be looking at that person and noticing that their face was red or that their teeth were yellow....things like that. Anyway, he made it all the way through HS and trade school without the use of stims....he has recently tried some of the new ones like adderall and some other but said they worked but were not worth the side effects.

My second son was extremely disruptive in school and his mother, who had primary custody, decided to put him on it....he went through 2nd grade through graduation while taking it and it did him well. He excelled in math and science/ computer stuff...was obsessed with video games...and was mostly a loner. He stopped taking it on his own after he graduated and has adapted pretty well...said he will never go back on it.

Personally, I'm still on the fence about stims and ADD but, realize that it does work and do what it says it does for those that are affected by this disorder. I still have trouble following conversations sometimes, especially when there are a lot of distractions but have mostly taught myself to block that stuff out and put my attention on the speaker. I haven't had a mind altering substance in me for almost 20 yrs now (other than mushrooms, LSD and DMT) and only do them very occasionally. I like the fact that I sleep when I am tired and I wake when I've slept enough...there is no imbalance and trading of substances in me to override the other.Called"living better by chemistry" Lol, don't get me wrong,It is really tough sometimes, I run a business where we have distribution rights all through the US and Canada and am the primary sales guy...I just did a sales call/teaching seminar in Atlanta to 12 managers of companies across the US for 3 hrs. It was crazy at times when I get questions from different people at the same time...but, I held it together.

When I got sober from drugs and alcohol in 1999, I told myself that I never wanted to be dependent on any mood or mind altering substance ever again. Turns out, I am dependent on some RA drugs but that is it.
I'm not sure why I wrote this block of diatribe...I guess, your conversation just brought up some memories....whatever you decide about these meds, just think through your decisions.:sunny::peace:


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Thayendanegea]
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This is some fantastic perspective and commentary. The chemical imbalance thing is patently nuts I agree--found that out more from their own literatures indication of methodology/reasoning. It's like saying pain means theres an endorphin imbalance and you need opies. They only got away with it because its the brain.

I'm going to reflect on what you've shared for a while. Thanks for making such a big contribution, Thay


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st1lln0x: so i'm on weed, temazepam, adderall, dexedrine, dxm, dph, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, tryptophan, GABA, and kratom
Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
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The pleasure is mine....Glad it gave you a little food for thought.:wink:


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Thayendanegea] * 1
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ADD/ADHD meds were great at first but ended up putting me thru the ringer in a major way. They have an uncanny ability to rewire your brain’s internal reward system. And, aside from the psychological and cardiovascular isssues they tend to cause (long term), I think their most harmful attribute is the fact that they subconsciously manipulate you into believing that you cannot succeed without them.

I’m cynical about this issue for sure, but there’s My 2 cents :shrug:


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Luc1d]
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Quote:
I think their most harmful attribute is the fact that they subconsciously manipulate you into believing that you cannot succeed without them.


Well said. :thumbup:


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
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Zaid said:
Quote:
I think their most harmful attribute is the fact that they subconsciously manipulate you into believing that you cannot succeed without them.


Well said. :thumbup:


But I could have never accomplished this much without them! :crankey:


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Back, bitches.
st1lln0x: so i'm on weed, temazepam, adderall, dexedrine, dxm, dph, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, tryptophan, GABA, and kratom
Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Luc1d] * 1
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I’ve taken adderall and ritalin (was prescribed ritalin around 10yrs old but never took it) and my concern would be for any kids that have a little more anxiety than normal.  Considering they aren’t the most self aware those pills could spin them into some anxious episode and never see it coming because of the stims..

The thought of a kid on amphetamine is a little concerning..


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Amanita86] * 1
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Amanita86 said:
I’ve taken adderall and ritalin (was prescribed ritalin around 10yrs old but never took it) and my concern would be for any kids that have a little more anxiety than normal.  Considering they aren’t the most self aware those pills could spin them into some anxious episode and never see it coming because of the stims..

The thought of a kid on amphetamine is a little concerning..


I remember being uncomfortably like... that full feeling in your chest adderall gives you off a 10mg IR working at McDonalds years ago and I turned to hand a lady her food out the window but she was turned around to the back seat pouring out a pill bottle to give a kid who must have been 10 the exact same blue pill and something in me squirmed...


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Back, bitches.
st1lln0x: so i'm on weed, temazepam, adderall, dexedrine, dxm, dph, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, tryptophan, GABA, and kratom
Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox] * 1
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I think it's a great tool, but I think it's folly to take them daily. Leads to burnout and negative side effects. I think it's best periodically, and never several days in a row.

I often get a headache if I break one of the above rules, and it leads to melancholy in the days that follow.

I push other buttons sometimes too, and since many share brain systems, I have experienced the dark side of them, perhaps, more frequently than some.

Moderation and balance, while cliche, seem to be the safe way with many things.

While I am fascinated by nootropics or anything to boost performance, I am weary because I find that there is no silver bullet.

Finally, I think that vitamin B, meditation/mindfulness practices have the potential to help with attention/concentration to some extent.  I didn't realize that the way individuals process Vitamin B differently, and some require more (based on genetics, diet, etc.). Mindfulness is safe, free, and accessible to everyone who seeks (finds?) it. A lot of good research reports that mindful practices helps with a host of conditions (e.g., attention, depression, anxiety).

Party on, Garth. :mikemyers:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: AroundtheSon]
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the more insane tweaker children in this world the better, IMO. :lol:


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Luc1d]
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Yeah till we grow up to be BOURGIE ASS CRACK BABIES!!!

AroundTheSon, your post reminds me of some biofeedback stuff I heard about years ago from a neurologist that can help apparently without medication, and I guess it can be sustained?


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Back, bitches.
st1lln0x: so i'm on weed, temazepam, adderall, dexedrine, dxm, dph, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, tryptophan, GABA, and kratom
Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
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Yes, mindful practice can have lasting effects. However, true mindfulness is like trying (er, not trying, for those Buddhists/or those who engage in mindfulness) to catch the white rabbit. The minute you think you catch it, it is gone. Er, at least that's my impression. Nothing you can hold for too long.

I think most American definitions (for research) are similar to: “Mindfulness means paying attention in a particular way: on purpose, in the present moment, and non-judgmentally.” Some definitions also include an "attitude of curiosity and compassion"

I was fortunate enough to select this topic years ago while browsing for a research idea. The research has only grown and been reaffirmed by personal experiences and insights since that time. Mindfulness is actually "stolen" from thousands of years ago. It is an ancient tradition that Buddhists practice. Of course, to make it palatable to the American public, it had to be redefined and narrowed to words such that it could be studied.

Peace!:hug:

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