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badchad
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#7531574 - 10/18/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not "everyone has it". Current estimates lie around 3-5%.
Thats one or two kids in every class of 30. Think back to when you were in school, you couldn't name at least one kid that harassed the crap out of everyone and disrupted class?
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#7531601 - 10/18/07 02:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah i eat healthy and run almost every day a week.
and I'm a scatter brained mess most of the time anyways.
it is very real. it is just common. look at how fast society has been moving for the past 70 years...how insanely fast it has been moving the past 20 years. i don't find it surprising that fast paced media and other electronics have fucked up peoples attention spans at all.
fuck the medication though...i wish LSD was a legal alternative...a small dose like 10-25ug would have a great effect on MY attention span I'm sure. or perhaps small doses of certain phenethylamines.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: pantsboy]
#7531649 - 10/18/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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pantsboy said: I have bipolar disorder which contains all the symptoms of ADHD. Whether you believe ADHD is a real symptom or not, if you put brain under a cat-scan it would look different than person who doesn't have it. The weak connection between the serotonin and their receptors in my brain which somehow makes me have ADHD related symptoms. Adderall definitely works for me. I seriously can't study or do work without it. I stopped taking it for three years and I didn't have near the level of productivity that I have when taking it.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#7532105 - 10/18/07 04:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why dont you suck my dick before assuming I dont know anything.
I know about ADD and ADHD, I was diagnosed with ADD by 2 people and then the third said I didnt have it and the other two were trying to give an easy solution to a difficult problem. Would I have calmed down on drugs? Yes, thats what they are made to do, but did I have ADD? No. I was a wild kid because I ate sweets, dranks soda and didnt channel any of my energy into anything until I was about 8 and I started playing sports. I was never medicated for any of it and the problem went away when my diet changed.
My friend diagnosed with ADHD was medicated and it helped him. However, he stopped taking his pills and all of a sudden the ADHD is gone? I call bullshit. He calmed down because he didnt want people to know he wasnt taking his medication. I believe that is called self-control.
Next time you post try not to look like a fuckin idiot just because you have ADD or whatever the fuck is making you a homo.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: AaronEvil]
#7532317 - 10/18/07 05:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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AaronEvil said: Why dont you suck my dick before assuming I dont know anything.
I know about ADD and ADHD, I was diagnosed with ADD by 2 people and then the third said I didnt have it and the other two were trying to give an easy solution to a difficult problem. Would I have calmed down on drugs? Yes, thats what they are made to do, but did I have ADD? No. I was a wild kid because I ate sweets, dranks soda and didnt channel any of my energy into anything until I was about 8 and I started playing sports. I was never medicated for any of it and the problem went away when my diet changed.
My friend diagnosed with ADHD was medicated and it helped him. However, he stopped taking his pills and all of a sudden the ADHD is gone? I call bullshit. He calmed down because he didnt want people to know he wasnt taking his medication. I believe that is called self-control.
Next time you post try not to look like a fuckin idiot just because you have ADD or whatever the fuck is making you a homo.
nonono mmake no mistake you dont knew anything you have expereince in the child phych run around. but you did not spend time in the system. therapists. doctocrs, physical consultants. teachers princibels.
so before you go asking some onto suck your dick, realise that maybe you do not have any clue about what you think you do
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: notapillow] 1
#7532398 - 10/18/07 05:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you notapillow.
Aaron, do you think that everyone suffering from ADHD is hyperactive and wild?
I'm not even going to bother defending my point because you have already proven to me that you don't know shit about it.
Prove me wrong if you like. I'm interested in how you defend yourself.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: MrKite1]
#7532414 - 10/18/07 06:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I thought I did - mostly because my parents convinced me I did. I spent a month on adderall feeling like shit. Yeah I was productive, but I had zero appetite, and adderall was completely fucking up my sleep. Definitely don't fake ADD/ADHD for adderall - it is NOT worth it.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#7532427 - 10/18/07 06:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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also about your bullshit call on getting better once the meds are gone. i gave up rittilen my senior year. and because of that, i could not pass algabra. i mean i took the pills and they made me sit in my chair and touch my pen to paper, cause and effect right? but it kept taking more and more and more rittelen to make me work. in the begining (4th grade) it wa slike some godsent. i was instently better. but by the time i was in highschool it was just a downward spiral. once i acidently dosed twice the amount of rittelin i was suposed to in the morning and i was shaking uncontrolabley, sweating bullets and tunring red. i had to give a report in class too. its been a long road
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: JunkFood]
#7532434 - 10/18/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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JunkFood said: I think ADD/ADHD is a made-up disorder. Everyone fucking has it.
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notapillow
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JunkFood said: I think ADD/ADHD is a made-up disorder. Everyone fucking has it.
in the sense that everyone has a brain and is disordly in general. yeah
also like i sayed before speed freks are dumb
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: notapillow]
#7532492 - 10/18/07 06:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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here are two of my threads with very good discussions regarding ADD and such. No science or proof behind ADHD as a biologic/organic syndrome or disease http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5925619#5925619 My Thesis: Why Americans believe Depression and ADD exist http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5918747/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1
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Confronted with children whom psychologists, psychiatrists and teachers claimed had ADHD, I have not been able to find any abnormality—no disease whatsoever!
Dyslexia (or Specific Reading Disability), we are told, is an abnormality in the language parts of the brain, not manifest until the child fails to gain literacy in the early grades of school. What parents and teachers are usually not told, however, is that over sixty years of research have failed to confirm that a defect of any sort exists in the brain of a child who has been labeled dyslexic. Sadly, maintaining this condition to be a fact is doing incredible damage to these individuals. These made-up disorders, along with others including “Severe Emotional Disorder” or “Dyscalculia” (special arithmetic disorder), have never been validated as brain diseases. And believe me, I’ve asked the “experts.’
I wrote to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), to Ciba-Geigy (manufacturer of Ritalin), to Children and Adults with Attention Deficit Disorders (CH.A.D.D.) and four times to leading ADHD researchers at the NIMH, requesting that they direct me to one or a few articles in the peer-reviewed, scientific literature that constitutes proof of a physical or chemical abnormality in ADHD, thus making it a “disease.”
Paul Leber, M.D., of the FDA wrote in response: “...as yet no distinctive pathophysiology for the disorder has been delineated.” Gene Haislip of the DEA responded: “We are also unaware that ADHD has been validated as a biologic/organic syndrome or disease.”
I have yet to receive anything which would constitute proof of an abnormality—one that can be tested for patient-by-patient—one proving that we are not drugging entirely normal children. Even the APA admits in its DSM-IV that there are “...no laboratory tests that have been established as diagnostic” for “Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder.”
Lawrence Diller, M.D. of the University of California, San Francisco, who was a conferee at the 1996 DEA Conference on Stimulant Use in the Treatment of ADHD, wrote: “The reason why you have been unable to obtain any articles or studies presenting clear and confirming evidence of a physical or chemical abnormality associated with ADHD is that there is none.”
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ADD yes, Taking Adderall 10 mgs. daily prescribed by MD after counselor recommend it. Anxiety at 1st. More focused/effective at work and home now. Lost weight but seem to have evened out now. Driven to Distraction Dr. Hallowell's book and web site is excellent!
Can't sleep if I take it too late in the day. Can't make important decisions off meds cuz I'm not as focused but that's okay. Increased libido can be frustrating but hus is trying to comply may he live and be well! lol We should all have such problems! 
Be well!
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i was diagnosed with it when i was in middle school. i refused to take any drugs for it. turns out it went away on its own after i started eating healthier, stopped drinking soda, eating fast food and energy drinks.... imagine that.
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I'm more obsessive compulsive then ADHD. I focus on things to the point where I can be consumed.
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JunkFood
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Wouldn't cocaine be a better ADD drug? Isn't cocaine a better stimulant than speed?
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: MOTH]
#7532556 - 10/18/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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OCD was my first diagnosis, too.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: MOTH]
#7532599 - 10/18/07 06:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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some passages of previously written discussions I have had about this topic.
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now, as a certain society progresses technologically, so does its learning curve. I mean, imagine when we fully grasp and integrate parts of M theory into our technology, they will be teaching Quantum Mechanics in high school. But as the society develops, so does the amount of information and subjects which we find valid for intellectual consumption. These subjects and information (such as economics) are alien to an organism which is primarily equipped to only learn how to survive: learning how to communicate, learning what not to eat etc. So, outside of sub-instinctual actions/lessons why do we expect children to know how to learn the illusory by-products of a technologically advanced society? There is no real model for learning in America, sure there are thousands of models for teaching, but it reminds me of the one useless one day class labelled something like "behavioral sciences" which was a feeble attempt at teaching kids how to study: eat a good breakfast, get in a quiet place, get 8 hours of sleep.... you have all heard it before... and sure, that is somewhat of a framework for "how to study" but not really "how to grasp" or "how to learn"..... otherwise it becomes "memorization" and not "retention of data".... repetitive mnemonics instead of real understanding of the subject at hand. In america, we put so much weight on a test, and really no weight upon retention of data... even the ACT/SAT's are heavily crammed for, even though they are supposed to be a guage of how much retention you have had throughout your years in school. have you ever asked yourself, or analyzed how you learn, or were you always under the assumption that if you read something it should be complete understanding? dont you think there is a certain process with which you retain that information?
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1) we are fixing problems which society has created. This isnt a human problem, or malfunction, it is a discrepency between the demand of interest in all studies, the emphasis upon grades. How do we measure success of a drug in regards to ADHD? well.... their grades went up! so the problem wasn't really one of "focusing" but rather one of low grades, and these grades are supposed to represent a model of normal human learning capabilities, which is completely idiotic, because there is no definitive, or even possible, model of normal human concentration, understand, grasping of reality and its subjects.
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Interesting.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: notapillow]
#7532662 - 10/18/07 07:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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notapillow said: in the sense that everyone has a brain and is disordly in general. yeah
also like i sayed before speed freks are dumb
Your credibility is shot to hell because of your poor grammar and spelling. Stop trying to sound intelligent.
Whoever that other dude was trying to tell me I dont know anything... people with ADHD are hyperactive thus why hyperactive is in the name. If they werent hyperactive they wouldnt have ADHD they would have ADD which is similar but does not have the HYPERACTIVE symptom in it.
I challenge you to find me any proof that ADD is an actual disorder. Something that is only fixable by medication. You havent proven any of what I said wrong. You just sit back and act like you have information I do not. If you do, please share it. I can admit when I am wrong if I do not have all the information.
But unil you can show me anything significant, shut up.
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I was diagnosed with "borderline add" and now I'm prescribed ninety 10mg d-amphetamine tablets every two months. And I go to a psychiatrist to get a script for refills.
I don't think I really have ADD... but shh!
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