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ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot
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ADHDers (especially if you're hyperactive, to where sitting during a workday is an issue), did you keep taking medication when you got settled into a job and graduated college and all that?

Advice or thoughts welcome.

I'm thinking I'm going to either talk my doc into this or just switch to IRs and after a few months I'll have enough to use them PRN for a couple years... the idea is get back to the coping levels I had before meds and then just take them if it really is starting to affect something in my life.

I had to quit taking them for a health reason recently while also taking care of a bunch of shit and now that I'm back on them it's got me wondering about forever after. They're obviously incompabtible with any sort of massively international type of lifestyle or career and have a lot of other drawbacks too.

But at the same time holy fuck it's almost scary how much I'm capable of at times. I keep the dose low because I would work myself 2/3 of the way to death without them sometimes.

IDK I'm rambling and my vyvanse wore off and I have had trouble sleeping this whole week from starting it again and uuuuuuuuuugh why can't it just be a couple thousand years ago so I could be a good, useful hunter instead of a smart, troubling student.


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
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Imo

Amphetamine effected me the same as a child

And adult even after a several year break


It stimulates me


Amphetamine ruined childhood so i steer clear of stimulants


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: SunnyD]
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SunnyD said:
Imo

Amphetamine effected me the same as a child

And adult even after a several year break


It stimulates me


Amphetamine ruined childhood so i steer clear of stimulants


You could argue some of my childhood was ruined by not having amphetamines, and high school (I could have easily gotten into a new Ivy if my first 2.5 years of high school were 90% as good as the last 1.5) but I got lucky both in that I didnt get prescribed them then and that I got interested in IT Votech and Philosophy and college when I was 15 as I was a horrible student and though I don't recall this exactly I had worked out when I could legally drop out and was talking to my parents about it.

There is the lost potential aspect to consider as otherwise its a pretty simple decision outside of like getting fired for not being able to focus or something extreme


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Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: SunnyD]
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I wanna try Vyvanse again. Soooo fucking expensive for me. Had one once and loved it.


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
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Oh also for me it's kinda stimulating too in a way the first few days but it's more that what I'm trying to do and focus on becomes like a tunnel I can point where I want, and holy shit I got prescribed adderall the first time and studied on it and when I got up my butt hurt. I literally had never had my butt hurt from sitting at a desk too long before in my life... I do not sit in one place naturally. soo I am trying to understand if we had different experiences or not. The stimulation ultimately yielded over weeks to feeling a little like a zombie but that's why I am on V and not A or D plus you dont grind your teeth hardly at all on V.

I highly fucking recommend it TBH and I am super cynical of this whole treatment paradigm to be frank... so convenient anf very gentle on how you feel... no big ups or falling off the adderall shelf.

They have a coupon to get it for $50 a month max copay FYI. I paid $300 once and then was like okay not sustainable


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Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
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I don't know what copay is. I'm English. My sources here are strictly... underground.


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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Oh... government. I dont even want to know what it would cost as private prescription there.

If you want, let me know and we could just do an international drug deal facilitated through an online psychedelic nexus on the clear net. Seems smart and what could go wrong? You can smuggle me some illegal memes in return... I want a literally illegal pepe for my collection :feelsgoodman:


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Back, bitches.
st1lln0x: so i'm on weed, temazepam, adderall, dexedrine, dxm, dph, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, tryptophan, GABA, and kratom
Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: SunnyD]
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Using my medication (adderall) irresponsibly and out of fear is what drove me to quit my first well paying "respectable" job.

As a programmer, I found them necessary to be able to do my work effectively which led me taking the drug every single day. I think this was my first mistake. I built a tolerance and quickly found myself jumping to almost recreational doses to the point where I would often get paranoid and hide away in my office peaking out the window. I was afraid to speak to anyone half the time. I even got to the point where I lost sight of things so much that I found myself doing lines of my medication off my desk. :sad: Eventually I couldn't take it anymore and, being afraid that I would lose my job after quitting the medication, I decided to also quit the job while I could still get a good recommendation. It was a real low point for me.

After that I freelanced for awhile and for the first 6 months I found myself able to be reasonably effective working without the medication. After that 6 months I got a lot of my symptoms back, was unable to get anything done at all and fell into a depression. This led me to believe my current working ADHD theory which is that stimulants aren't so much something to be used exclusively while working. Rather, they're a therapeutic medication that can (in ADHD individuals) increase normal dopamine production in the brain even while not on the medication which can lead to better focus throughout your life. I'm not sure if this is a fact, but it's seemed to work well enough for me so far. Currently I try to take the lowest dose possible about 2 or 3 times a week, no more. The off days are definitely more of a struggle but after taking the medication for awhile I find I can still manage some work without it. But this limiting allows me to keep my wits about me with the medication still being somewhat effective. I've still yet to see how well this translates into the long haul, though.

It also definitely helps that I seem to be exceptionally productive (more than the average person) on my 'on' days so it all evens out. :shrug:

Also (because a lot of ADHD people seem to miss this) if you haven't gotten a good night sleep, eaten with your dose and take breaks for water and food you might as well have not taken it at all. Nothing ruins my focus on the medication like tiredness or hangryness or masturbation. Once I start jacking it, I can't stop. :lol:

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I don't know what copay is.


Copay is an amount of the total that you have to pay upfront while your insurance is billed for the remainder. It's like a "flat-fee" almost that you have to pay for certain services depending on your insurance.


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Edited by Zaid (10/25/18 09:29 PM)

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
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On a serious note tho my doctor mentioned they made a brand new 10 hour xr ADD med (shire did) so I'm betting vyvanse will be generic soon if that might make it NHS friendly


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st1lln0x: so i'm on weed, temazepam, adderall, dexedrine, dxm, dph, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, tryptophan, GABA, and kratom
Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
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I've never heard of it in England. I've lived in America for the past year and have only ever been gifted it.

It's out there, but it's like $20 a pill blackmarket, and no way am I paying those prices.


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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i have known so many tweakers over the years i just can't convince myself to give it a try, have been close to trying meth a few times but nope.

not sure about op's issues, my profession requires extreme multitasking at times so it keeps it interesting on a basic stimulation level, not sure i could do a desk job.


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
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What's your profession?

Vyvnace is gentle AF, same with Dexamphetamine.

Both epic enhancers of ones day, with next to no side effects, in low doses.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
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It's out there, but it's like $20 a pill blackmarket, and no way am I paying those prices.


Adderall 20mg is $3-$5 a pill if you know the right highschooler and if you buy a lot at once. Same thing with 50mg vyvanse. Most of these kids get it for free, never take it and all their friends have an abundance as well.

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i have known so many tweakers over the years i just can't convince myself to give it a try, have been close to trying meth a few times but nope.


Stimulants are never worth it from my experience unless you absolutely need them. And even then, tread very very carefully. They're my vice. I honestly hate how people glorify these drugs like they'll fix your life. It might seem that way during the honeymoon phase... but these drugs lie.


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For those of you who :pm:'d me about Paul Stamets silence on portabellos: bodhisatta graciously presents a real answer.

Edited by Zaid (10/25/18 09:33 PM)

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
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Zaid we have creepy amounts in common sometimes but I am certain you are on to something.

Even though I dont notice a difference on vs off day to day, I am definitely way more impulsive off it, and you can see objective spikes in the weeks after I stop in the stupid shit I do, no joke (both major bad things that have happened in my life in the last few years happened within about 2 weeks of stopping vyvanse.

I didnt notice this until my mom showed me a warning about how stopping can increase impulsivity among other things in a rebound kind of fashion. Now obviously this is no study but... oh wait actually when I became homeless was also right after CT but adderall back then... yeah nvm I am the worst when I am getting back to natural ADHD me.

All recent legal trouble, every major life fuck in the last several years.


Zaid is your ring finger way longer than your index finger? And what are your thoughts on determinism and fate as they relate to genetics?


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Back, bitches.
st1lln0x: so i'm on weed, temazepam, adderall, dexedrine, dxm, dph, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, tryptophan, GABA, and kratom
Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
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I'm a software engineer and college student and I was working a 3rd job until recently at a restaurant since I was making intern money at my real job still.

Several hour power sessions with really boring database crap are part of my reality... I go walk up and down the stairs every 20-30 minutes


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Back, bitches.
st1lln0x: so i'm on weed, temazepam, adderall, dexedrine, dxm, dph, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, tryptophan, GABA, and kratom
Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
    #25567751 -

Though this summer on vyvanse there went fucking great including the long sitting... idk if I'd have problems doing it without vyvanse but I was juggling so much when I stopped this time that I'm not sure I stood a great chance (quit 2nd job before even going full time dev as I could barely balance that with V)

Edit: no school or weekend job during summer either; definitely could have done without but wouldn't have impressed them quite so much, and they may not have been impressed enough to decide to try to get me full time ASAP so idk


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Back, bitches.
st1lln0x: so i'm on weed, temazepam, adderall, dexedrine, dxm, dph, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, tryptophan, GABA, and kratom
Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
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Zaid is your ring finger way longer than your index finger?


5th pleaded.

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And what are your thoughts on determinism and fate as they relate to genetics?


I find myself turning into my parents even though I make a conscious effort not to. In a weird genetic way, I believe I am their living reincarnation before their death. Not sure if that's related at all to what you're talking about it but it feels like the right thing to say.

What about you? What are your thoughts?


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For those of you who :pm:'d me about Paul Stamets silence on portabellos: bodhisatta graciously presents a real answer.

Edited by Zaid (10/25/18 10:41 PM)

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
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Amphs for people with ADD & Mania have a completely different effect for those that are not effected by said conditions.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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Amphs for people with ADD & Mania have a completely different effect for those that are not effected by said conditions.


Agreed. People who don't have these conditions are jumping straight into the abuse and have no business taking them in my opinion.

Also I'm going to be a stickler here: ADD is no longer classified as a real thing in the latest DSM version. There is only different variations on ADHD. ADHD predominately hyperactive impulsive, ADHD predominately inattentive and ADHD combined types.


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Wild Pleurotus Ostreatus - My First Grow Log!

For those of you who :pm:'d me about Paul Stamets silence on portabellos: bodhisatta graciously presents a real answer.

Edited by Zaid (10/25/18 09:44 PM)

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
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Jokeshopbeard said:
Amphs for people with ADD & Mania have a completely different effect for those that are not effected by said conditions.


There was a Finnish study that demonstrated the opposite. Good discussion in Whitakker's Anatomy of an Epidemic.

Honestly not sure where to stand as I had a neurologist I saw over a skateboarding accident give me a brain scan and say "no brain damage/concussion but it does look like you have ADHD or a sleep disorder"--oo so he can tell by observing the hardware, but I was also high.

You can reliably diagnose it just off brain scans tho, namely QEEG and possibly newer methods from recent years.

Theres obviously a physical difference so I would hardly expect no difference, but I think making the difference polar between ADHD and non mischaracterizes the differences in how we experience the drug.

Unless they were partying, most nons I've seen on it acted just like me, sat for 4 hours studying. Thus was in a college setting FWIW
Zaid said:
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Amphs for people with ADD & Mania have a completely different effect for those that are not effected by said conditions.


Agreed. People who don't have these conditions are jumping straight into the abuse and have no business taking them in my opinion.

Also I'm going to be a stickler here: ADD is no longer classified as a real thing in the latest DSM version. There is only different variations on ADHD. ADHD predominately hyperactive impulsive, ADHD predominately inattentive and ADHD combined types.


Yeah we are also autistic now too since it's on that spectrum now

Also we are dual diagnosis candidates with Selective Eating, fresh out of the DSM5.


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Back, bitches.
st1lln0x: so i'm on weed, temazepam, adderall, dexedrine, dxm, dph, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, tryptophan, GABA, and kratom
Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
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Zaid said:
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Amphs for people with ADD & Mania have a completely different effect for those that are not effected by said conditions.


Agreed. People who don't have these conditions are jumping straight into the abuse and have no business taking them in my opinion.


I think that's a very narrow opinion. By that rationale no one should ever take anything they're not prescribed.

Such things can be extremely useful, regardless of ones pre-existing condition.


st1llnox said:
Jokeshopbeard said:
Amphs for people with ADD & Mania have a completely different effect for those that are not effected by said conditions.


There was a Finnish study that demonstrated the opposite..


Urrr. I don't believe that there could be an opposite to what I said.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
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Yeah we are also autistic now too since it's on that spectrum now


I'll never accept this.

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Also we are dual diagnosis candidates with Selective Eating, fresh out of the DSM5.


DID YOU GUYS KNOW I'M VEGAN?


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Wild Pleurotus Ostreatus - My First Grow Log!

For those of you who :pm:'d me about Paul Stamets silence on portabellos: bodhisatta graciously presents a real answer.

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
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Zaid said:
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Yeah we are also autistic now too since it's on that spectrum now


I'll never accept this.

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Also we are dual diagnosis candidates with Selective Eating, fresh out of the DSM5.


DID YOU GUYS KNOW I'M VEGAN?


We can also tease Aspies all we want cause they dont have a condition that exists


Side note isn't that crazy the first time you notice you've gone 12 hours without telling someone you're vegan?


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Back, bitches.
st1lln0x: so i'm on weed, temazepam, adderall, dexedrine, dxm, dph, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, tryptophan, GABA, and kratom
Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
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I think that's a very narrow opinion. By that rationale no one should ever take anything they're not prescribed.


Yes. If you need it, you should be able to easily explain your situation to a doctor and get it. Unless of course you've found something that works for you outside of common modern medical knowledge, in which case, it can't be prescribed to you.

Is everything else not just recreational usage? :confused: If that's the case, stick to cocaine/dexmethylphenidate. That stuff is way more fun to rail.

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Side note isn't that crazy the first time you notice you've gone 12 hours without telling someone you're vegan?


No idea what you're talking about. I have periodic reminders set on my phone.


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Wild Pleurotus Ostreatus - My First Grow Log!

For those of you who :pm:'d me about Paul Stamets silence on portabellos: bodhisatta graciously presents a real answer.

Edited by Zaid (10/25/18 09:52 PM)

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
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Zaid said:
Is everything else not just recreational usage? :confused: If that's the case, stick to cocaine/dexmethylphenidate. That stuff is way more fun to rail.


For you perhaps, but your experience does not mirror that of everyone else. Remember what I said last night about you tryna push your agenda?

Horses for courses man.


Zaid said:
Yes. If you need it, you should be able to easily explain your situation to a doctor and get it.


Fuck off with that 'if you need it go to a doctor' shit. You know damn well that's moronic. Quacks are fucking corrupt.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
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The fact that you need reminders to tell people you're vegan tells me you have already crossed this gap but that you're dragging it out and won't let go of the bridge.

Is it a rope bridge you pictured?


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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For you perhaps, but your experience does not mirror that of everyone else.


You've said nothing to prove me wrong. :lol:

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Fuck off with that 'if you need it go to a doctor' shit. You know damn well that's moronic. Quacks are fucking corrupt.


A lot are corrupt but not all. When I'm honest to them and I know what I need before going to the doctor I always get what I need. Sorry you don't know how to handle doctors. :shrug: Bringing up past negative experiences about other doctors and talking mad shit is a great way to whip them.

You're just wrong here. The only excuse is if you're well informed already and can't afford insurance.

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The fact that you need reminders to tell people you're vegan tells me you have already crossed this gap but that you're dragging it out and won't let go of the bridge.

Is it a rope bridge you pictured?


It's an internet forum joke I like because nobody else does.


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
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Zaid said:
You've said nothing to prove me wrong


(facepalm). The way a drug affects one person is not the same way it guarantees affect in another.


Zaid said:
You're just wrong here.


I'm sorry sir, present your penis so that I may bow before its glory.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
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Jokeshopbeard said:
(facepalm). The way a drug affects one person is not the same way it guarantees affect in another.


What's your point?

Zaid said:
When I'm honest to them and I know what I need before going to the doctor I always get what I need.


This includes knowing how certain drugs affect me specifically. As you should know about yourself as well. Explain that rationally to a doctor and they will understand.

Jokeshopbeard said:
I'm sorry sir, present your penis so that I may bow before its glory.


That's gay.


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
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Zaid said:
What's your point?


That this:

Zaid said:
stick to cocaine/dexmethylphenidate. That stuff is way more fun to rail.


Is ENTIRELY incorrect.

Zaid said:
As you should know about yourself as well..


I apologise for being a moron. I know nothing.

Zaid said:
That's gay.


I apologise for joking. I am not funny.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
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Ok quit being gay everyone


I'm seriously trying to map out if and how to work meds into a career and lots of international travel/irregularity just in case anyone else wants to chime in


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Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
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st1llnox said:
I'm seriously trying to map out if and how to work meds into a career and lots of international travel/irregularity just in case anyone else wants to chime in


By helping you to stay focused when you have to do shift work/be up for extended duration/have jetlag and/or need to be at your best.

Like coffee or kratom, but better.

Man, you don't half overcomplicate almost everything you bring up for discussion.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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Well the statement about cocaine/dexmethyphenidate was pretty obviously an opinion. I never claimed it to be a fact and obviously it's dependent on the person. But I do find it to have much more recreational value and is generally safer than amphetamine/methamphetamine. I also prefer the shorter duration of action if I'm trying to abuse it.

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be up for extended duration/have jetlag and/or need to be at your best


Taking it to give you energy (be it from lack of sleep or food) specifically will not add anything at all to your ability to focus, especially if you have ADHD. You might as well have not taken it to begin with and in my experience, it's just mental torture.


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
    #25567861 -

Back in your pants! Now! :megacrankey:


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Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
    #25567864 -

Zaid said:
Well the statement about cocaine/dexmethyphenidate was pretty obviously an opinion.


No, it wasn't. It was stated in the objective.

Lord, and master Zaid.

I bow before you.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25567869 -

Then again guys...

It is just the 3 of us in here :datass:

...


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st1lln0x: so i'm on weed, temazepam, adderall, dexedrine, dxm, dph, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, tryptophan, GABA, and kratom
Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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You don't have to prefix/suffix every opinion with "I think" or "In my opinion" for it to be obvious. You're reaching. I feel like I repeat certain phrases enough in my posts.


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
    #25567874 -

Who "bows before [who]" next?:naughty:


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Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
    #25567884 -

Zaid said:
You don't have to prefix/suffix every opinion with "I think" or "In my opinion" for it to be obvious.


It's amusing to me how it's always the more arrogant/boastful members that state this. It is not the case for most.

Is adding 'IMO' so hard?


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25567893 -

Who wants me to read them The Secret Life of Pronouns: What Our Words Say About Us in a dirty voice :naughty:


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st1lln0x: so i'm on weed, temazepam, adderall, dexedrine, dxm, dph, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, tryptophan, GABA, and kratom
Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25567898 -

IMO it can get pretty repetitive. I don't think it's that hard to tell the difference IMO and context clues are there for a reason. If it's not a fact that you can't look up then you should assume it's an opinion IMO.

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It's amusing to me how it's always the more arrogant/boastful members that state this. It is not the case for most.


IMO that's never really the case and most people with English as their first language (the vast majority of Shroomery users) can tell the difference. IMO I think you can be more arrogant than you realize and like to project the blame onto others while holding a self-righteous stance. But that's just my opinion.

:goodluckwiththat:


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
    #25567914 -

Oh I know I come off with strong opinions alright. Always have. I try to remain humble through knowing the fact I am often wrong.

However adding an 'IMO' to show some respect to others is not, I think, repetitive at all, but respectful of ones audience.

Perhaps we have to agree to disagree.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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I dont know whether to double down on The Secret Life of Pronouns or the fact that weve got this whole thread, just the 3 of us... nobody else in sight. An entire community except the T.

We could make such diverse love


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st1lln0x: so i'm on weed, temazepam, adderall, dexedrine, dxm, dph, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, tryptophan, GABA, and kratom
Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25567948 -

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Oh I know I come off with strong opinions alright. Always have. I try to remain humble through knowing the fact I am often wrong.


Those that speak of their humbleness are often the least so.

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However adding an 'IMO' to show some respect to others is not, I think, repetitive at all, but respectful of ones audience.




"Fuck the clients. Your only responsibility is to put meat on the table." - Matthew McConaughey


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Wild Pleurotus Ostreatus - My First Grow Log!

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
    #25567955 -

It's like watching fish push buttons in a bucket :ruggedwink:


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Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
    #25567958 -

This is what happens when my meds wear off.

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And what are your thoughts on determinism and fate as they relate to genetics?


Anyway, share your thoughts on this already, Nox.


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
    #25567966 -

Zaid said:
This is what happens when my meds wear off.

Quote:
And what are your thoughts on determinism and fate as they relate to genetics?


Anyway, share your thoughts on this already, Nox.


Is your ring finger way longer than your index finger?


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st1lln0x: so i'm on weed, temazepam, adderall, dexedrine, dxm, dph, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, tryptophan, GABA, and kratom
Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
    #25567969 -

Quit asking questions and speak.


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
    #25568010 -

If your ring finger is longer than your index finger you're more likely to be arrested, ADHD, alcoholic, anger problems, impulsivity, all sorts of shit.

Lots of good stuff too but basically that whole trope that so many of us are. It's literally like a set of problems that pretty much comes as a mass produced gift set.


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Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
    #25568017 -

I could have sworn I read that it had to do with the amount of estrogen you were exposed to in the womb. Hence my homosexuality and boyish good looks.


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Wild Pleurotus Ostreatus - My First Grow Log!

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
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That correlates too but I had the finger thing completely backwards for years until recently and that's when I found out all the other stuff (hint: most gay people aren't angry alcoholics with ADHD)

I was curious if your fingers say you're yin or yang on this, and more largely if you have feelings on genetic determinism as it relates to good and bad.


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st1lln0x: so i'm on weed, temazepam, adderall, dexedrine, dxm, dph, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, tryptophan, GABA, and kratom
Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
    #25568025 -

Btw I'm talking about traits like ADHD and alcoholism and anger being things they can statistically tell about you just from what you are... literally your DNA, epigenome, etc. not about gay I was just joking about gay shit to dilute the button pushing.


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st1lln0x: so i'm on weed, temazepam, adderall, dexedrine, dxm, dph, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, tryptophan, GABA, and kratom
Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

Edited by st1llnox (10/25/18 11:18 PM)

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
    #25568029 -

st1llnox said:
genetic determinism as it relates to good and bad.


Genetic determinism, in a world of nearly EIGHT BILLION people, sounds like an absolute crock to me.

Do you realise HOW MANY variations on the human form and program there are?

Can you even picture 8,000,000,000?


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
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Quote:
(hint: most gay people aren't angry alcoholics with ADHD)


:hahathatsfunny: You're joking, right?

As for the rest of it, well... yeah, of course. We are all just biological machines at the end of the day, are we not? There has to be some sort of mechanism of action and DNA seems to be the universal programming language of all carbon based life that we know of. Unless I'm misinterpreting what you mean by 'genetic determinism'.


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
    #25568043 -

Yes JSB big picture that looks cool but its still unsettling and wonderful that you could have looked at my hand when I was 3 and been able to more accurately predict a huge swath of traits and life happenings that apply to me.

Idk zaid here are the axes; you tell me which ear is gay.



And which finger is longer for you, out of curiosity.


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Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
    #25568048 -

Notice how all those hands are white? Know what % of the total population is white? Know where most studies are done?

Open man, open.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
    #25568050 -

That chart feels way to biased for me to make an accurate choice but I would have to say bottom-left. Lots of gays are sluts with drinking problems in my experience.

Quote:
And which finger is longer for you, out of curiosity.


Why do you assume they're not of equal length?


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
    #25568056 -

IDK now I'm finding some back and forth on the studies but again I am NOT TALKING ABOUT THE GAYS OR PEOPLE OF LIGHT....


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
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I bet those studies were done by a bunch of gays too.


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
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Its clearly the negroes!


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
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Zaid said:
Scratch that. You're orange.


Pinkish, actually:



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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
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st1llnox said:
Its clearly the negroes!


Negroes. Science. :hahathatsfunny:
Jesus Christ. I'm joking.

Jokeshopbeard said:
Pinkish, actually:




You mean grayscale?


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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Thats the writing drug, ill put out a novel on it.


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Nimph]
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Get as high as possible on weed when you wake up

after it wears off you wont be adhd for the rest of the day :thumbup:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
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I have caffeine pills.

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cannabinated said:
Get as high as possible on weed when you wake up

after it wears off you wont be adhd for the rest of the day :thumbup:


Lol to do my reading for social science classes if it was dry I would go out to a forest and take like maybe 1 or 2 hits and man could I focus... it was crazy.

I'm an addict and like to overdo weed though cause it takes stress away though. Stimulants I hate how they make me feel but they work, though I'm having trouble convincing myself having speed in my body for the next 25 years is going to improve my life and health overall...


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
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it feels like you came back from war and everything else youre dealing with is smooth for the rest of the day
you basically just annihilate your ego before you start your day and nothing will bother you

helps me at least. You need to wake up extra early to do it though.

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: cannabinated]
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That's how I feel on a wider time scale... e.g. a couple weeks of tons of weed and now I'm feeling like I came back from a war and the next couple weeks are going to be smooth


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Nimph] * 2
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This has been a pretty thoughtful and somewhat insightful thread. You guys are all very bright.I'm a lot older than most of you guys but I think I can contribute to this thread.

I'm positive that I have ADD and had ADHD earlier in my life (ring finger much longer than index, BTW)....I also have 2 sons that were/are definitely ADHD. My deal was that I could not concentrate on one thing during early school years (this was before ADD or ADHD were even invented) The solution then was to hold me back a year which def. helped but it was still difficult to grasp some of the concepts in Algebra or Chemistry...I had to read things twice or three times to retain the info.

I made it through high school even though I was smoking weed every morning, noon and night  from 9th grade on.Mostly with the help of a friend or two. I was also drinking a lot at an early age which turned into full blown alcoholism later in life. I got married early because of a pregnant gf  and had a child just after HS graduation.
Lol, he was a wound up kid from the beginning...fast talking and always moving. When he got into 1st or second grade the teachers kept calling us in because of his class clown behavior and constant acting out , although his grades were good. They called him ADHD right from the get go and recommended Ritalin. We were also in the middle of a divorce at this time, so that probably played into his behavior.

Ritalin (methylphenidate) was looked at as this miracle drug for teachers as it transformed these misbehaving, disruptive kids into model students. I believe that school nurses could actually prescribe it back then...around 1983-1984. I was in a  2 yr. business course night school at Johns Hopkins at the time and I had a Technical writing paper to write so I chose Ritalin as the subject, to see exactly what was behind this magical concoction. I'm going by memory because I can't find my paper but I do remember most of the facts that were burned into my memory by sheer shock.

I found that The terms ADD and ADHD were actually coined by a pharmaceutical company called CIBA in the early seventies. Ritalin was tested in inner city Baltimore schools and was shown to be beneficial to the behavior of unruly kids...The study was done by a guy named John Conner that worked at Johns Hopkins (who conducted the study)  if you want to look it up. They also did some other testing like EEG's and stuff....they actualy found that a Child's EEG graph on Ritalin was almost identical to a man's EEG under the influence of cocaine. Their brains were working almost the same. Ciba pushed this drug to all physicians, pediatricians and, of course, school nurses and aides.They couldn't explain exactly why this stimulant seemed to settle down ADHD kids but would stimulate adults....so they coined the term "paradoxical effect". to describe it.They also said that kids would only need to take it until puberty (which turned out to be false)
They used promotions like cruises or other vacations for those that wrote the most prescriptions. It was crazy and criminal in my mind (partly because I had done a lot of cocaine by that time and there was no way I wanted my kid to feel that way all the time) so I took a stance against it and went all the way up to the child psychologist that almost insisted my son take it, also, my ex wife was for it...I presented these facts and said no way is that kid gonna take that and eventually won the battle.

He, like me had to study harder and try to learn to listen by cutting out distractions ....doing things like closing your eyes while listening to someone so you wouldn't be looking at that person and noticing that their face was red or that their teeth were yellow....things like that. Anyway, he made it all the way through HS and trade school without the use of stims....he has recently tried some of the new ones like adderall and some other but said they worked but were not worth the side effects.

My second son was extremely disruptive in school and his mother, who had primary custody, decided to put him on it....he went through 2nd grade through graduation while taking it and it did him well. He excelled in math and science/ computer stuff...was obsessed with video games...and was mostly a loner. He stopped taking it on his own after he graduated and has adapted pretty well...said he will never go back on it.

Personally, I'm still on the fence about stims and ADD but, realize that it does work and do what it says it does for those that are affected by this disorder. I still have trouble following conversations sometimes, especially when there are a lot of distractions but have mostly taught myself to block that stuff out and put my attention on the speaker. I haven't had a mind altering substance in me for almost 20 yrs now (other than mushrooms, LSD and DMT) and only do them very occasionally. I like the fact that I sleep when I am tired and I wake when I've slept enough...there is no imbalance and trading of substances in me to override the other.Called"living better by chemistry" Lol, don't get me wrong,It is really tough sometimes, I run a business where we have distribution rights all through the US and Canada and am the primary sales guy...I just did a sales call/teaching seminar in Atlanta to 12 managers of companies across the US for 3 hrs. It was crazy at times when I get questions from different people at the same time...but, I held it together.

When I got sober from drugs and alcohol in 1999, I told myself that I never wanted to be dependent on any mood or mind altering substance ever again. Turns out, I am dependent on some RA drugs but that is it.
I'm not sure why I wrote this block of diatribe...I guess, your conversation just brought up some memories....whatever you decide about these meds, just think through your decisions.:sunny::peace:


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Thayendanegea]
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This is some fantastic perspective and commentary. The chemical imbalance thing is patently nuts I agree--found that out more from their own literatures indication of methodology/reasoning. It's like saying pain means theres an endorphin imbalance and you need opies. They only got away with it because its the brain.

I'm going to reflect on what you've shared for a while. Thanks for making such a big contribution, Thay


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
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The pleasure is mine....Glad it gave you a little food for thought.:wink:


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Thayendanegea] * 1
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ADD/ADHD meds were great at first but ended up putting me thru the ringer in a major way. They have an uncanny ability to rewire your brain’s internal reward system. And, aside from the psychological and cardiovascular isssues they tend to cause (long term), I think their most harmful attribute is the fact that they subconsciously manipulate you into believing that you cannot succeed without them.

I’m cynical about this issue for sure, but there’s My 2 cents :shrug:


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Luc1d]
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Quote:
I think their most harmful attribute is the fact that they subconsciously manipulate you into believing that you cannot succeed without them.


Well said. :thumbup:


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Zaid]
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Zaid said:
Quote:
I think their most harmful attribute is the fact that they subconsciously manipulate you into believing that you cannot succeed without them.


Well said. :thumbup:


But I could have never accomplished this much without them! :crankey:


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Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Luc1d] * 1
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I’ve taken adderall and ritalin (was prescribed ritalin around 10yrs old but never took it) and my concern would be for any kids that have a little more anxiety than normal.  Considering they aren’t the most self aware those pills could spin them into some anxious episode and never see it coming because of the stims..

The thought of a kid on amphetamine is a little concerning..


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Amanita86] * 1
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Amanita86 said:
I’ve taken adderall and ritalin (was prescribed ritalin around 10yrs old but never took it) and my concern would be for any kids that have a little more anxiety than normal.  Considering they aren’t the most self aware those pills could spin them into some anxious episode and never see it coming because of the stims..

The thought of a kid on amphetamine is a little concerning..


I remember being uncomfortably like... that full feeling in your chest adderall gives you off a 10mg IR working at McDonalds years ago and I turned to hand a lady her food out the window but she was turned around to the back seat pouring out a pill bottle to give a kid who must have been 10 the exact same blue pill and something in me squirmed...


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st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox] * 1
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I think it's a great tool, but I think it's folly to take them daily. Leads to burnout and negative side effects. I think it's best periodically, and never several days in a row.

I often get a headache if I break one of the above rules, and it leads to melancholy in the days that follow.

I push other buttons sometimes too, and since many share brain systems, I have experienced the dark side of them, perhaps, more frequently than some.

Moderation and balance, while cliche, seem to be the safe way with many things.

While I am fascinated by nootropics or anything to boost performance, I am weary because I find that there is no silver bullet.

Finally, I think that vitamin B, meditation/mindfulness practices have the potential to help with attention/concentration to some extent.  I didn't realize that the way individuals process Vitamin B differently, and some require more (based on genetics, diet, etc.). Mindfulness is safe, free, and accessible to everyone who seeks (finds?) it. A lot of good research reports that mindful practices helps with a host of conditions (e.g., attention, depression, anxiety).

Party on, Garth. :mikemyers:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: AroundtheSon]
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the more insane tweaker children in this world the better, IMO. :lol:


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Luc1d]
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Yeah till we grow up to be BOURGIE ASS CRACK BABIES!!!

AroundTheSon, your post reminds me of some biofeedback stuff I heard about years ago from a neurologist that can help apparently without medication, and I guess it can be sustained?


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: st1llnox]
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Yes, mindful practice can have lasting effects. However, true mindfulness is like trying (er, not trying, for those Buddhists/or those who engage in mindfulness) to catch the white rabbit. The minute you think you catch it, it is gone. Er, at least that's my impression. Nothing you can hold for too long.

I think most American definitions (for research) are similar to: “Mindfulness means paying attention in a particular way: on purpose, in the present moment, and non-judgmentally.” Some definitions also include an "attitude of curiosity and compassion"

I was fortunate enough to select this topic years ago while browsing for a research idea. The research has only grown and been reaffirmed by personal experiences and insights since that time. Mindfulness is actually "stolen" from thousands of years ago. It is an ancient tradition that Buddhists practice. Of course, to make it palatable to the American public, it had to be redefined and narrowed to words such that it could be studied.

Peace!:hug:

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: AroundtheSon]
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i have add or adhd, whatever you wanna medicall correctness call it.  i hyper focus on random shit and completely get distracted from everything i need to be attentive to.

so i've been taking ritalin for years.


amphetamines are too harsh on my dopamine and give me headaches and increased depression.


it's nice in that it helps to get work and study done. it's helped me to advance in my career and physique.

it dosen't last long like fucking vyvanse, but thats just too much. it's like a mild version of cocaine that pokes my brain in constructive directions. some modafinial would be nice.


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: AroundtheSon]
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I do not like any sort of pharmaceutical amphetamine.

from age 7 to 14 I was forced to try well over 30 different ADHD medications in order to treat my so called "ADHD." All of them sucked and had terrible side effects with little to no results.

The only thing that helped me with my ADHD is Cannabis. Once I tried cannabis it was like an immediate switch went off,
SUDDENLY I SOMEHOW stumbled upon A CURE!?
It was indeed a tremendous moment that I still remember.

My pops has ADHD and he says that was one of the first things he noticed too was it completely nullified his ADHD as long as he was medicated enough.

ANYWAY I read somewhere that Childhood Amphetamine use could possibly lead to a development of Epilepsy later in life, Well I became Epileptic on Oct 25th of 2016. Now I don't remember where I read that claim of "possible link between Epilepsy development later in life and repetitive childhood amphetamine use," I can't provide you with a clinical study of such thing, But yeah...I got no proof that those meds caused my epilepsy but I'm sure it didn't help it. Either way past is the past.

Edited by Blipstir (10/28/18 04:51 PM)

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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Blipstir]
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All of these amps have been way over-prescribed for years. There was very little long term testing done way back in the beginning, that was one of the things that turned me away from it. I really haven't followed it as much lately, but from what you guys are saying, the long term indicators are not good.


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Re: ADHD meds and being an adult and whatnot [Re: Thayendanegea]
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Seems like it.

I remember in like 2012 or 2013 I think I was supposed to get 120 adderall and there wasn't a single pharmacy in the city that had enough stock to fill the whole thing so I ended up getting 90 IIRC.

The DEA restricts production but the APA and CHADD dont try to throttle dosing kids so...


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