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Do you have ADD/ADHD?
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Who did you see to get diagnosed/prescribed?
Do you generally see a general practitioner?
Or a psychologist?
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A psychologist cannot prescribe medicine, so you wouldn't go there.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: badchad]
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Of course. I did mean a Psychiatrist.
See? My brain really is fucked up...
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hehe, I think I have it to some degree.
My girlfriend holds the sides of my head, looks into my eyes and talks loudly when she needs me to listen. One of my friends has taken to getting me to repeat what he said to me quite a bit.
I'm really obsessive about one thing for a short time before moving on to something entirely new- its like an extremely narrow but intense focus of attention.
I thought about going to get diagnosed but thought fuck it, no point.
If I had to choose, I would choose to have it, I just feel really focused all the time. Fuck being organised and shit lol
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: sam420]
#7530805 - 10/18/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, I have absolutely no organization.
At all.
You should see my office/car/house.
My g/f jokes that I have made the worlds first successful "dirty bombs", and then set several of them off around my house.
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Maybe I do, I have no idea. It is such an ambiguous disorder diagnosis tends to be highly subjective.
In all actuality I probably have no ADD but like many people amphetamines help focus just the same.
I've had medications prescribed to me for it before. I saw my primary care physician about it. He was very nice and allowed me to upgrade from Adderall to Dexedrine spansules after one month. I'm certain he would have given me Desoxyn had I just spoke with him about it but I was perfectly happy getting a nominal quantity of dextroamphetamine every month.
I haven't bothered to pick up prescriptions for anything like that in some time. Most doctors do seem surprisingly relaxed about ADD medications despite their obvious scheduling.
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I bullshitted my way to a prescription back in higschool, it was my family doctor.
Now I just get pills off others, perhaps I should go back and get some more though.
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i thought i had ADD... but it was actually sleep deprivation.
many symptoms of sleep deprivation are the same as ADD, especially not being able to focus.
you should probably see if your job will allow you to have later hours that fit your natural rhythm.
but chances are you probably just want amphetamines.
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i was diagnsed when i was in 4thgrade. the weird thing was they took me too this childrens phych ward. with colors, and toys and balls and tumbling mats, they even had electric scooters you could ide in the halls. now if i was supposed to be paying attention there i dunno what the hel they thought 
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I think ADD/ADHD is a made-up disorder. Everyone fucking has it.
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It doesnt exist. If anyone is diagnosed with it and is currently on medication, you've been had. ADD/ADHD is no more than you having too much energy. How do you counter it? Eat healthier and excercise more.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: JunkFood]
#7531338 - 10/18/07 01:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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People just need some god damn focus and will power.
When I can't write my paper or do my homework it aint because of some neurons zapping spastically in my noggin...
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: JunkFood]
#7531340 - 10/18/07 01:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i think everyone has it because of the way children have been raised the past 20-30 years...
Ive been diagnosed. i went to my normal family doctor and she sent me to a place a town over to get the actual test done. they just mailed her the results and when the came back and i had failed bad she prescribed me to adderall right away...
i don't really take it much though...just on big days of homework or tests...otherwise fuck it, id rather just smoke all day
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: JunkFood]
#7531358 - 10/18/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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JunkFood said: I think ADD/ADHD is a made-up disorder. Everyone fucking has it.
well you do speed head
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: AaronEvil]
#7531372 - 10/18/07 02:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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AaronEvil said: It doesnt exist. If anyone is diagnosed with it and is currently on medication, you've been had. ADD/ADHD is no more than you having too much energy. How do you counter it? Eat healthier and excercise more.
now here you get into a tricky subject. what is bi polar disorder but people who just can "chill out" peoples brains are all beautifuly unique mandalas of coliding energys. alot of people have problems with energy. there is no dividing line for diagnosis, this is why sooooo many people in the 90's through today where cought up in the add pendemic "oh my kid does not like math, he must have some sort of brain inbalence, please help us doc"
yeah im with you on that, ALOT of people did not need to be medicated for there add. but I myself, and other people i have grown up with had it, and bad. i used to bang my head into shit just for the clonking sound it would make, flial around in bed till 4 in the morning screaming jibberish. i would not just not oppay attention in ckass, i would walk th fuck out. just get up and leave. no big deal for me but aperently thats not what they wanted out of me.
now i am als no saying i needed to be medicated. it pretty much scard my life for 3 years. but i cant blame my doctor, my parents or myself. it just happened the way it did.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: Noetical]
#7531373 - 10/18/07 02:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Noetical said: People just need some god damn focus and will power.
When I can't write my paper or do my homework it aint because of some neurons zapping spastically in my noggin...
actaualy it is. thats how everytring you do breaks down like it or not
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: JunkFood]
#7531389 - 10/18/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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well one things for sure. i love my suga!]but asking a kid if they like candy as a test for add is pretty damn retarted.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: notapillow]
#7531496 - 10/18/07 02:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have bipolar disorder which contains all the symptoms of ADHD. Whether you believe ADHD is a real symptom or not, if you put brain under a cat-scan it would look different than person who doesn't have it. The weak connection between the serotonin and their receptors in my brain which somehow makes me have ADHD related symptoms. Adderall definitely works for me. I seriously can't study or do work without it. I stopped taking it for three years and I didn't have near the level of productivity that I have when taking it.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: AaronEvil]
#7531547 - 10/18/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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AaronEvil said: It doesnt exist. If anyone is diagnosed with it and is currently on medication, you've been had. ADD/ADHD is no more than you having too much energy. How do you counter it? Eat healthier and excercise more.
Why don't you do a little reading on the subject before you just write off what you don't even care to understand.
Thanks!
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#7531574 - 10/18/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not "everyone has it". Current estimates lie around 3-5%.
Thats one or two kids in every class of 30. Think back to when you were in school, you couldn't name at least one kid that harassed the crap out of everyone and disrupted class?
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#7531601 - 10/18/07 02:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah i eat healthy and run almost every day a week.
and I'm a scatter brained mess most of the time anyways.
it is very real. it is just common. look at how fast society has been moving for the past 70 years...how insanely fast it has been moving the past 20 years. i don't find it surprising that fast paced media and other electronics have fucked up peoples attention spans at all.
fuck the medication though...i wish LSD was a legal alternative...a small dose like 10-25ug would have a great effect on MY attention span I'm sure. or perhaps small doses of certain phenethylamines.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: pantsboy]
#7531649 - 10/18/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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*everyones brains look different under a cat scan  they only follow the patters in the brain that they can isolate and interperate.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#7532105 - 10/18/07 04:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why dont you suck my dick before assuming I dont know anything.
I know about ADD and ADHD, I was diagnosed with ADD by 2 people and then the third said I didnt have it and the other two were trying to give an easy solution to a difficult problem. Would I have calmed down on drugs? Yes, thats what they are made to do, but did I have ADD? No. I was a wild kid because I ate sweets, dranks soda and didnt channel any of my energy into anything until I was about 8 and I started playing sports. I was never medicated for any of it and the problem went away when my diet changed.
My friend diagnosed with ADHD was medicated and it helped him. However, he stopped taking his pills and all of a sudden the ADHD is gone? I call bullshit. He calmed down because he didnt want people to know he wasnt taking his medication. I believe that is called self-control.
Next time you post try not to look like a fuckin idiot just because you have ADD or whatever the fuck is making you a homo.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: AaronEvil]
#7532317 - 10/18/07 05:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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AaronEvil said: Why dont you suck my dick before assuming I dont know anything.
I know about ADD and ADHD, I was diagnosed with ADD by 2 people and then the third said I didnt have it and the other two were trying to give an easy solution to a difficult problem. Would I have calmed down on drugs? Yes, thats what they are made to do, but did I have ADD? No. I was a wild kid because I ate sweets, dranks soda and didnt channel any of my energy into anything until I was about 8 and I started playing sports. I was never medicated for any of it and the problem went away when my diet changed.
My friend diagnosed with ADHD was medicated and it helped him. However, he stopped taking his pills and all of a sudden the ADHD is gone? I call bullshit. He calmed down because he didnt want people to know he wasnt taking his medication. I believe that is called self-control.
Next time you post try not to look like a fuckin idiot just because you have ADD or whatever the fuck is making you a homo.
nonono mmake no mistake you dont knew anything you have expereince in the child phych run around. but you did not spend time in the system. therapists. doctocrs, physical consultants. teachers princibels.
so before you go asking some onto suck your dick, realise that maybe you do not have any clue about what you think you do
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: notapillow] 1
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Thank you notapillow.
Aaron, do you think that everyone suffering from ADHD is hyperactive and wild?
I'm not even going to bother defending my point because you have already proven to me that you don't know shit about it.
Prove me wrong if you like. I'm interested in how you defend yourself.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: MrKite1]
#7532414 - 10/18/07 06:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I thought I did - mostly because my parents convinced me I did. I spent a month on adderall feeling like shit. Yeah I was productive, but I had zero appetite, and adderall was completely fucking up my sleep. Definitely don't fake ADD/ADHD for adderall - it is NOT worth it.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#7532427 - 10/18/07 06:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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also about your bullshit call on getting better once the meds are gone. i gave up rittilen my senior year. and because of that, i could not pass algabra. i mean i took the pills and they made me sit in my chair and touch my pen to paper, cause and effect right? but it kept taking more and more and more rittelen to make me work. in the begining (4th grade) it wa slike some godsent. i was instently better. but by the time i was in highschool it was just a downward spiral. once i acidently dosed twice the amount of rittelin i was suposed to in the morning and i was shaking uncontrolabley, sweating bullets and tunring red. i had to give a report in class too. its been a long road
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: JunkFood]
#7532434 - 10/18/07 06:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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JunkFood said: I think ADD/ADHD is a made-up disorder. Everyone fucking has it.
in the sense that everyone has a brain and is disordly in general. yeah
also like i sayed before speed freks are dumb
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: notapillow]
#7532492 - 10/18/07 06:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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here are two of my threads with very good discussions regarding ADD and such. No science or proof behind ADHD as a biologic/organic syndrome or disease http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5925619#5925619 My Thesis: Why Americans believe Depression and ADD exist http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5918747/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1
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Confronted with children whom psychologists, psychiatrists and teachers claimed had ADHD, I have not been able to find any abnormality—no disease whatsoever!
Dyslexia (or Specific Reading Disability), we are told, is an abnormality in the language parts of the brain, not manifest until the child fails to gain literacy in the early grades of school. What parents and teachers are usually not told, however, is that over sixty years of research have failed to confirm that a defect of any sort exists in the brain of a child who has been labeled dyslexic. Sadly, maintaining this condition to be a fact is doing incredible damage to these individuals. These made-up disorders, along with others including “Severe Emotional Disorder” or “Dyscalculia” (special arithmetic disorder), have never been validated as brain diseases. And believe me, I’ve asked the “experts.’
I wrote to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), to Ciba-Geigy (manufacturer of Ritalin), to Children and Adults with Attention Deficit Disorders (CH.A.D.D.) and four times to leading ADHD researchers at the NIMH, requesting that they direct me to one or a few articles in the peer-reviewed, scientific literature that constitutes proof of a physical or chemical abnormality in ADHD, thus making it a “disease.”
Paul Leber, M.D., of the FDA wrote in response: “...as yet no distinctive pathophysiology for the disorder has been delineated.” Gene Haislip of the DEA responded: “We are also unaware that ADHD has been validated as a biologic/organic syndrome or disease.”
I have yet to receive anything which would constitute proof of an abnormality—one that can be tested for patient-by-patient—one proving that we are not drugging entirely normal children. Even the APA admits in its DSM-IV that there are “...no laboratory tests that have been established as diagnostic” for “Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder.”
Lawrence Diller, M.D. of the University of California, San Francisco, who was a conferee at the 1996 DEA Conference on Stimulant Use in the Treatment of ADHD, wrote: “The reason why you have been unable to obtain any articles or studies presenting clear and confirming evidence of a physical or chemical abnormality associated with ADHD is that there is none.”
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ADD yes, Taking Adderall 10 mgs. daily prescribed by MD after counselor recommend it. Anxiety at 1st. More focused/effective at work and home now. Lost weight but seem to have evened out now. Driven to Distraction Dr. Hallowell's book and web site is excellent!
Can't sleep if I take it too late in the day. Can't make important decisions off meds cuz I'm not as focused but that's okay. Increased libido can be frustrating but hus is trying to comply may he live and be well! lol We should all have such problems! 
Be well!
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i was diagnosed with it when i was in middle school. i refused to take any drugs for it. turns out it went away on its own after i started eating healthier, stopped drinking soda, eating fast food and energy drinks.... imagine that.
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I'm more obsessive compulsive then ADHD. I focus on things to the point where I can be consumed.
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Wouldn't cocaine be a better ADD drug? Isn't cocaine a better stimulant than speed?
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: MOTH]
#7532556 - 10/18/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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OCD was my first diagnosis, too.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: MOTH]
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some passages of previously written discussions I have had about this topic.
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now, as a certain society progresses technologically, so does its learning curve. I mean, imagine when we fully grasp and integrate parts of M theory into our technology, they will be teaching Quantum Mechanics in high school. But as the society develops, so does the amount of information and subjects which we find valid for intellectual consumption. These subjects and information (such as economics) are alien to an organism which is primarily equipped to only learn how to survive: learning how to communicate, learning what not to eat etc. So, outside of sub-instinctual actions/lessons why do we expect children to know how to learn the illusory by-products of a technologically advanced society? There is no real model for learning in America, sure there are thousands of models for teaching, but it reminds me of the one useless one day class labelled something like "behavioral sciences" which was a feeble attempt at teaching kids how to study: eat a good breakfast, get in a quiet place, get 8 hours of sleep.... you have all heard it before... and sure, that is somewhat of a framework for "how to study" but not really "how to grasp" or "how to learn"..... otherwise it becomes "memorization" and not "retention of data".... repetitive mnemonics instead of real understanding of the subject at hand. In america, we put so much weight on a test, and really no weight upon retention of data... even the ACT/SAT's are heavily crammed for, even though they are supposed to be a guage of how much retention you have had throughout your years in school. have you ever asked yourself, or analyzed how you learn, or were you always under the assumption that if you read something it should be complete understanding? dont you think there is a certain process with which you retain that information?
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1) we are fixing problems which society has created. This isnt a human problem, or malfunction, it is a discrepency between the demand of interest in all studies, the emphasis upon grades. How do we measure success of a drug in regards to ADHD? well.... their grades went up! so the problem wasn't really one of "focusing" but rather one of low grades, and these grades are supposed to represent a model of normal human learning capabilities, which is completely idiotic, because there is no definitive, or even possible, model of normal human concentration, understand, grasping of reality and its subjects.
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Interesting.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: notapillow]
#7532662 - 10/18/07 07:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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notapillow said: in the sense that everyone has a brain and is disordly in general. yeah
also like i sayed before speed freks are dumb
Your credibility is shot to hell because of your poor grammar and spelling. Stop trying to sound intelligent.
Whoever that other dude was trying to tell me I dont know anything... people with ADHD are hyperactive thus why hyperactive is in the name. If they werent hyperactive they wouldnt have ADHD they would have ADD which is similar but does not have the HYPERACTIVE symptom in it.
I challenge you to find me any proof that ADD is an actual disorder. Something that is only fixable by medication. You havent proven any of what I said wrong. You just sit back and act like you have information I do not. If you do, please share it. I can admit when I am wrong if I do not have all the information.
But unil you can show me anything significant, shut up.
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I was diagnosed with "borderline add" and now I'm prescribed ninety 10mg d-amphetamine tablets every two months. And I go to a psychiatrist to get a script for refills.
I don't think I really have ADD... but shh!
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: MOTH]
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MOTH said: Interesting.
it is. Does anyone here really think that any amount of science could accurately guage/describe what normalcy and sanity are? Sure, we can do it within the context of our own social parameters, through morals and tradition.... but can anyone seriously think that whatever model of human behaviour that we come up with is even slightly close to the actual model of human behaviour?
what we are doing is creating a designer society. When we start letting a group of "scientists" dictate human behaviour, meaning that they dictate what is crazy, what is maladjusted, what is good, what is bad, then we give them unrestricted freedom to tell us whether or not there is something mentally wrong with us... they get to design our society.
im not here to say what is good, or bad, or wrong, or right... but I just butted into this thread to tell everyone this. Even if you think that psychiatrists and the lot have good intentions, or if they are crooked assholes... .it doesnt change the fact that this is the effect that it has upon our society as well as the individuals.
now MOTH, i am not saying that within an american social setting that there are some behaviorial characteristics that you display or feel adversly affect by - dont exist. But the problem I see with the thought process behind most of the introspective conclusions, compounded by Big Pharma ads and commercials, is that you are led to believe that it is a personal flaw in some way (be it genetics or just plain fucked in the head), and the thought never occurs to them that it could possibly a discrepency between a less conditioned, maybe even more primal/primitive, personality/behaviour and the shine of the veneer of our designer society and the rules we feel compelled to adhere to during social interactions and whatnot.
does this make sense to anyone?
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Yeah, what you say does click with me. I've spent years analyzing my own "mental condition" but what I always turn up at is that I am who I am, and nobody else can place a label on my brain and have it genuinely reflect me. I've gotten lots of labels over the years by mental health professionals and have tried lots of pills to correct a problem that I found out later didn't even exist. There is nothing wrong with me; just the society I live in that chooses to pigeon-hole me and my behavior into a type of category to make things easier on themselves. (and when I say 'me,' I mean 'us.') I have come to see that we are conditioned by our society from the day we exit the womb, and that it is in the best interests of those in control to keep the population's consciousness constantly suspicious about their own natural behavior and thought processes, not to mention sedating and regulating them with medication.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: MOTH]
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it's true that depression, bipolarity, and ADHD haven't scientifically proven, but the theory behind each are very well supported and the majority of the scientific community tends to believe those theories are accurate. a majority of science is based upon theory but doesn't make any theory that is out there invalid. as long as a their is a majority of cedible people supporting the theories than the theories can be seen as true.

therefore, i believe in all those symptoms.
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MOTH said: Interesting.
it is. Does anyone here really think that any amount of science could accurately guage/describe what normalcy and sanity are? Sure, we can do it within the context of our own social parameters, through morals and tradition.... but can anyone seriously think that whatever model of human behaviour that we come up with is even slightly close to the actual model of human behaviour?
what we are doing is creating a designer society. When we start letting a group of "scientists" dictate human behaviour, meaning that they dictate what is crazy, what is maladjusted, what is good, what is bad, then we give them unrestricted freedom to tell us whether or not there is something mentally wrong with us... they get to design our society.
im not here to say what is good, or bad, or wrong, or right... but I just butted into this thread to tell everyone this. Even if you think that psychiatrists and the lot have good intentions, or if they are crooked assholes... .it doesnt change the fact that this is the effect that it has upon our society as well as the individuals.
now MOTH, i am not saying that within an american social setting that there are some behaviorial characteristics that you display or feel adversly affect by - dont exist. But the problem I see with the thought process behind most of the introspective conclusions, compounded by Big Pharma ads and commercials, is that you are led to believe that it is a personal flaw in some way (be it genetics or just plain fucked in the head), and the thought never occurs to them that it could possibly a discrepency between a less conditioned, maybe even more primal/primitive, personality/behaviour and the shine of the veneer of our designer society and the rules we feel compelled to adhere to during social interactions and whatnot.
does this make sense to anyone?
You straight killed it. My brother is the weirdest kid on earth, at first they diagnosed him with ADHD, and when they found the meds did him more harm than good and almost starved him to death they took him off. He has a few random ticks now and again that I don't know what to attribute to..I think he's just restless and doesn't give a fuck if he feels like tickin. If he has an itch, he scratches it - and that's cool. My rents attempted to rediagnose him and said he had "accute" autism - I asked them "is it possible he's just a young kid with a lot of energy? Is it possible that you don't need to label and categorize everything because it isn't completely civilized and orderly?"
George Carlin has an awesome standup act about "soft language" that I think has parallels to these ideas...
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George Carlin is my hero on social issues
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: blkjkrabbit]
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iv been diagnosed with add, adhd, social axianty disorder, manic depression and a whole bunch load of shit. do actual have anyof them. i dunno, no one does. im just me
ill tell you what tho. since i stopped worrying about what doc's and perscriptons say and started listening to what my own spirit was saying iv been alot more happy. meditation phychadelics a detached point of veiw. all of these have aided me greatly in my strugle to claim "sanity"
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: pantsboy]
#7533339 - 10/18/07 09:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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pantsboy said: it's true that depression, bipolarity, and ADHD haven't scientifically proven, but the theory behind each are very well supported and the majority of the scientific community tends to believe those theories are accurate. a majority of science is based upon theory but doesn't make any theory that is out there invalid. as long as a their is a majority of cedible people supporting the theories than the theories can be seen as true.

therefore, i believe in all those symptoms.
Like I said before, I am not saying that the "symptoms" or disabilities (EDIT) Don't exist within the context of society. All I am saying is that it isnt genetic, or organic in any sense. I am saying that it is a by-product of the discrepency between reality and what our society believes is reality.
but to address your post: science has been wrong, many, many times in the past, even after the precious scientific method. It was only a few years ago that Psychiatry labelled homosexuality as a mental disease, and attempted to treat it with drugs and psychotherapy. Im glad that you believe the scientific community to be infallible in their support of an unproven theory.... but come on.... is it really because you respect and study their scientific progress and endeavors, or is it because you like the theory for personal reasons and justifications?
the world used to be flat... scientists supported that..... oh also they supported the idea that the sun revolved around the earth.... oh, and they believed in alchemy.... and also claimed that the earth was all solid land... until someone discovered tectonic plates.
But also, outside of the psychiatric/psychology community, what other scientists are rallying behind this theory? and is a theory enough to put 7 year old kids on amphetamines? is that where we are at as a nation? "hey, a few scientists said that it was probably the most likely cause, so little johnny is getting speed".
I dont see how we can move forward with so much confidence that what we arent doing is in fact extremely harmful,,,, when there is no proof. ZERO! PROOF! How can a theory be supported with no proof? what makes it different than any other theory?
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well thats wa whole lot of words that mean jack shit the point is we are all individuals. like all thyings we are part of a grander spectrum. its easy to group "these" people as hyperactive, "these" people as bi polar. and "these" people as autistic cus they seem similer so hell, group em together! we tred in waters too deep to touch your toes
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: notapillow]
#7533993 - 10/19/07 02:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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notapillow said: well thats wa whole lot of words that mean jack shit the point is we are all individuals. like all thyings we are part of a grander spectrum. its easy to group "these" people as hyperactive, "these" people as bi polar. and "these" people as autistic cus they seem similer so hell, group em together! we tred in waters too deep to touch your toes
You should go over to the spirituality/religion section of the forums. Seems like you would fit in there.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: blkjkrabbit]
#7534147 - 10/19/07 05:07 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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blkjkrabbit said: I thought I did - mostly because my parents convinced me I did. I spent a month on adderall feeling like shit. Yeah I was productive, but I had zero appetite, and adderall was completely fucking up my sleep. Definitely don't fake ADD/ADHD for adderall - it is NOT worth it.
That's right, fake it for at least Dexedrine if not Desoxyn. 
Adderall is a cop out.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#7534172 - 10/19/07 05:26 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well my mom seemed to think i had ADHD through elementary and middle school...when in fact i just didnt give a shit. So i was forced to take all sorts of pills...ritaliin, adderall, concerta, and metadate. Towards the end of middle school i gave up becuase i knew they wouldnt help..so i still have a bottle of adderall and a bottle of metadate sitting in my cubbard ahah. Too bad its like 5 years old. Parents and doctors are too worried about labeling unattentive kids as ADD and ADHD. I believe they should focus more on making the material more interesting and placing kids within the curriculum that they deserve to be in. I know it would have helped me..oh well... now the only drug i need is Lucy...she straightens me out and makes me concentrate exactly how i like it haha
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So then what should we do with the hyperactive kid who disrupts the entire class of 30 not allowing them to learn? Hold his hand and gently whisper "It's okay" over and over until he eventually fails out?
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: badchad]
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im not saying its a bullshit disease. I agree that its a disorder which young kids CAN have. But i STRONGLY disagree in the vast number of instant diagnoses that most kids recieve...as opposed to focusing on the kids personal beliefs, interests, and study habbits. Its amazing how plenty of cases are instantly cured as soon as kids reach highscool and are exposes to a more accepting environment and more specific, passion-focuses classes (art, music, etc)
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: AaronEvil] 1
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What a big shit-fest this thread became.
Who gives a fuck if I want to see a Dr. and get some meds?
I pay for my insurance, if I think I'm sick, I'll go see a fucking doctor.
I just cant fucking concentrate, and its starting to piss me off. Dont tell me "Its my perception of things", or "I'm Just Lazy." Fuck you. Who the fuck are you to tell me I'm not sick? I know whats normal for me and whats not.
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I was never diagnosed with ADD or any attention disorders of the sort, but I did try ritalin once before a physics exam just for kicks.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: badchad]
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badchad said: So then what should we do with the hyperactive kid who disrupts the entire class of 30 not allowing them to learn? Hold his hand and gently whisper "It's okay" over and over until he eventually fails out?
its called parenting chad. those kids are the ones with parents who dont give a fuck.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7534961 - 10/19/07 11:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree, but that doesn't answer my original question.
Do we now require mandatory parenting classes? Who defines what a "model parent" is? Do we set up a school for disruptive, overactive children? Who will pay for it? What if a parent disagrees and doesn't want their kid sent there?
These are all difficult questions. When considered, giving 1 out of 30 hyperactive children a drug which will calm them down and improve their academic performance doesn't seem like such a bad option.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: badchad]
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I have bad social and communicative skills, problems with focusing and symptoms remind very much ADHD or it's just introversion. Anyway this problem is killing me. But mushrooms somehow unlock these skills and change me very strongly.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: sauroman1]
#21831766 - 06/20/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nope.
Amphetamines make me serene though
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: AaronEvil]
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AaronEvil said: It doesnt exist. If anyone is diagnosed with it and is currently on medication, you've been had. ADD/ADHD is no more than you having too much energy. How do you counter it? Eat healthier and excercise more.
too much energy, so eat healthier? LOL, stupidest thing i've heard today.
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WakeboardrB said: Thank you notapillow.
Aaron, do you think that everyone suffering from ADHD is hyperactive and wild?
I'm not even going to bother defending my point because you have already proven to me that you don't know shit about it.
Prove me wrong if you like. I'm interested in how you defend yourself.
he doesn't know shit fuck all about it.
lol, he says "eat healthier" and then you'll calm down...not that everyone with ADD even has hyperactivity. some have hyperfocus, for example.
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LeftyBurnz said: i was diagnosed with it when i was in middle school. i refused to take any drugs for it. turns out it went away on its own after i started eating healthier, stopped drinking soda, eating fast food and energy drinks.... imagine that. 
i'd like for you to imagine how you can explain how any of that actually works.
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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I challenge you to find me any proof that ADD is an actual disorder. Something that is only fixable by medication. You havent proven any of what I said wrong. You just sit back and act like you have information I do not. If you do, please share it. I can admit when I am wrong if I do not have all the information.
people find that medication helps them, time and time again. so there's your proof, that it works, because it works.
ingesting less sugar is a generally healthy aspect to a balanced diet. so your theory here is hinging on the prospect that "ingesting less sugar" cures ADD symptoms, but it doesn't...that merely lessens the symptoms of too much sugar. no shit. you're not ingesting as much sugar.
but it doesn't cure the symptoms of ADD, and i'll tell you why. because it's a disorder. that's actually why...you don't cure disorder's, genius, you treat them. hence why the drugs work, as they TREAT THE SYMPTOMS of ADD/ADHD, as in they give you more motivation, they let you focus better, or focus more, depending on your symptoms.
you health freaks really piss me off. you think a healthy fucking switch in diet will magically cure artery diseases, because you know so much about the effects of a diet. you're dietician's, not doctors. you don't know shit.
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What are the effects of Ritalin, anyways? I've heard much of this drug-a.
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