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OfflineSneezingPenis
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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: MOTH]
    #7532761 - 10/18/07 07:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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MOTH said:
Interesting.




it is.
Does anyone here really think that any amount of science could accurately guage/describe what normalcy and sanity are?
Sure, we can do it within the context of our own social parameters, through morals and tradition.... but can anyone seriously think that whatever model of human behaviour that we come up with is even slightly close to the actual model of human behaviour?

what we are doing is creating a designer society. When we start letting a group of "scientists" dictate human behaviour, meaning that they dictate what is crazy, what is maladjusted, what is good, what is bad, then we give them unrestricted freedom to tell us whether or not there is something mentally wrong with us... they get to design our society.

im not here to say what is good, or bad, or wrong, or right... but I just butted into this thread to tell everyone this. Even if you think that psychiatrists and the lot have good intentions, or if they are crooked assholes... .it doesnt change the fact that this is the effect that it has upon our society as well as the individuals.

now MOTH, i am not saying that within an american social setting that there are some behaviorial characteristics that you display or feel adversly affect by - dont exist. But the problem I see with the thought process behind most of the introspective conclusions, compounded by Big Pharma ads and commercials, is that you are led to believe that it is a personal flaw in some way (be it genetics or just plain fucked in the head), and the thought never occurs to them that it could possibly a discrepency between a less conditioned, maybe even more primal/primitive, personality/behaviour and the shine of the veneer of our designer society and the rules we feel compelled to adhere to during social interactions and whatnot.

does this make sense to anyone?


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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7532802 - 10/18/07 07:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, what you say does click with me. I've spent years analyzing my own "mental condition" but what I always turn up at is that I am who I am, and nobody else can place a label on my brain and have it genuinely reflect me. I've gotten lots of labels over the years by mental health professionals and have tried lots of pills to correct a problem that I found out later didn't even exist. There is nothing wrong with me; just the society I live in that chooses to pigeon-hole me and my behavior into a type of category to make things easier on themselves. (and when I say 'me,' I mean 'us.') I have come to see that we are conditioned by our society from the day we exit the womb, and that it is in the best interests of those in control to keep the population's consciousness constantly suspicious about their own natural behavior and thought processes, not to mention sedating and regulating them with medication.

Just my personal opinion.


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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: MOTH]
    #7533190 - 10/18/07 09:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

it's true that depression, bipolarity, and ADHD haven't scientifically proven, but the theory behind each are very well supported and the majority of the scientific community tends to believe those theories are accurate.  a majority of science is based upon theory but doesn't make any theory that is out there invalid.  as long as a their is a majority of cedible people supporting the theories than the theories can be  seen as true.

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therefore, i believe in all those symptoms.


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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7533221 - 10/18/07 09:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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YawningAnus said:
Quote:

MOTH said:
Interesting.




it is.
Does anyone here really think that any amount of science could accurately guage/describe what normalcy and sanity are?
Sure, we can do it within the context of our own social parameters, through morals and tradition.... but can anyone seriously think that whatever model of human behaviour that we come up with is even slightly close to the actual model of human behaviour?

what we are doing is creating a designer society. When we start letting a group of "scientists" dictate human behaviour, meaning that they dictate what is crazy, what is maladjusted, what is good, what is bad, then we give them unrestricted freedom to tell us whether or not there is something mentally wrong with us... they get to design our society.

im not here to say what is good, or bad, or wrong, or right... but I just butted into this thread to tell everyone this. Even if you think that psychiatrists and the lot have good intentions, or if they are crooked assholes... .it doesnt change the fact that this is the effect that it has upon our society as well as the individuals.

now MOTH, i am not saying that within an american social setting that there are some behaviorial characteristics that you display or feel adversly affect by - dont exist. But the problem I see with the thought process behind most of the introspective conclusions, compounded by Big Pharma ads and commercials, is that you are led to believe that it is a personal flaw in some way (be it genetics or just plain fucked in the head), and the thought never occurs to them that it could possibly a discrepency between a less conditioned, maybe even more primal/primitive, personality/behaviour and the shine of the veneer of our designer society and the rules we feel compelled to adhere to during social interactions and whatnot.

does this make sense to anyone?




You straight killed it. My brother is the weirdest kid on earth, at first they diagnosed him with ADHD, and when they found the meds did him more harm than good and almost starved him to death they took him off. He has a few random ticks now and again that I don't know what to attribute to..I think he's just restless and doesn't give a fuck if he feels like tickin. If he has an itch, he scratches it - and that's cool. My rents attempted to rediagnose him and said he had "accute" autism - I asked them "is it possible he's just a young kid with a lot of energy? Is it possible that you don't need to label and categorize everything because it isn't completely civilized and orderly?" :strokebeard:

George Carlin has an awesome standup act about "soft language" that I think has parallels to these ideas...

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George Carlin is my hero on social issues


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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #7533269 - 10/18/07 09:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

iv been diagnosed with add, adhd, social axianty disorder, manic depression and a whole bunch load of shit.
do actual have anyof them. i dunno, no one does. im just me

ill tell you what tho. since i stopped worrying about what doc's and perscriptons say and started listening to what my own spirit was saying iv been alot more happy.
meditation
phychadelics
a detached point of veiw. all of these have aided me greatly in my strugle to claim "sanity"


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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: pantsboy]
    #7533339 - 10/18/07 09:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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pantsboy said:
it's true that depression, bipolarity, and ADHD haven't scientifically proven, but the theory behind each are very well supported and the majority of the scientific community tends to believe those theories are accurate.  a majority of science is based upon theory but doesn't make any theory that is out there invalid.  as long as a their is a majority of cedible people supporting the theories than the theories can be  seen as true.

:goatse:

therefore, i believe in all those symptoms.




Like I said before, I am not saying that the "symptoms" or disabilities (EDIT) Don't exist within the context of society. All I am saying is that it isnt genetic, or organic in any sense.
I am saying that it is a by-product of the discrepency between reality and what our society believes is reality.

but to address your post: science has been wrong, many, many times in the past, even after the precious scientific method. It was only a few years ago that Psychiatry labelled homosexuality as a mental disease, and attempted to treat it with drugs and psychotherapy.
Im glad that you believe the scientific community to be infallible in their support of an unproven theory.... but come on.... is it really because you respect and study their scientific progress and endeavors, or is it because you like the theory for personal reasons and justifications?

the world used to be flat... scientists supported that..... oh also they supported the idea that the sun revolved around the earth.... oh, and they believed in alchemy.... and also claimed that the earth was all solid land... until someone discovered tectonic plates.

But also, outside of the psychiatric/psychology community, what other scientists are rallying behind this theory?
and is a theory enough to put 7 year old kids on amphetamines? is that where we are at as a nation? "hey, a few scientists said that it was probably the most likely cause, so little johnny is getting speed".

I dont see how we can move forward with so much confidence that what we arent doing is in fact extremely harmful,,,, when there is no proof. ZERO! PROOF! How can a theory be supported with no proof? what makes it different than any other theory?


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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7533357 - 10/18/07 10:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

well thats wa whole lot of words that mean jack shit
the point is we are all individuals. like all thyings we are part of a grander spectrum. its easy to group "these" people as hyperactive, "these" people as bi polar. and "these" people as autistic cus they seem similer so hell, group em together!
we tred in waters too deep to touch your toes :toomuchacid:


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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: notapillow]
    #7533993 - 10/19/07 02:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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well thats wa whole lot of words that mean jack shit
the point is we are all individuals. like all thyings we are part of a grander spectrum. its easy to group "these" people as hyperactive, "these" people as bi polar. and "these" people as autistic cus they seem similer so hell, group em together!
we tred in waters too deep to touch your toes :toomuchacid:




You should go over to the spirituality/religion section of the forums. Seems like you would fit in there.


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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: blkjkrabbit]
    #7534147 - 10/19/07 05:07 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I thought I did - mostly because my parents convinced me I did. I spent a month on adderall feeling like shit. Yeah I was productive, but I had zero appetite, and adderall was completely fucking up my sleep. Definitely don't fake ADD/ADHD for adderall - it is NOT worth it.




That's right, fake it for at least Dexedrine if not Desoxyn. :grin:

Adderall is a cop out.


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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: WakeboardrB]
    #7534172 - 10/19/07 05:26 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well my mom seemed to think i had ADHD through elementary and middle school...when in fact i just didnt give a shit. So i was forced to take all sorts of pills...ritaliin, adderall, concerta, and metadate. Towards the end of middle school i gave up becuase i knew they wouldnt help..so i still have a bottle of adderall and a bottle of metadate sitting in my cubbard ahah. Too bad its like 5 years old. Parents and doctors are too worried about labeling unattentive kids as ADD and ADHD. I believe they should focus more on making the material more interesting and placing kids within the curriculum that they deserve to be in. I know it would have helped me..oh well... now the only drug i need is Lucy...she straightens me out and makes me concentrate exactly how i like it haha :heart:


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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: Itzpointless]
    #7534209 - 10/19/07 05:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

So then what should we do with the hyperactive kid who disrupts the entire class of 30 not allowing them to learn? Hold his hand and gently whisper "It's okay" over and over until he eventually fails out?


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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: badchad]
    #7534223 - 10/19/07 05:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

im not saying its a bullshit disease. I agree that its a disorder which young kids CAN have. But i STRONGLY disagree in the vast number of instant diagnoses that most kids recieve...as opposed to focusing on the kids personal beliefs, interests, and study habbits. Its amazing how plenty of cases are instantly cured as soon as kids reach highscool and are exposes to a more accepting environment and more specific, passion-focuses classes (art, music, etc)


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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: AaronEvil] * 1
    #7534596 - 10/19/07 09:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What a big shit-fest this thread became.

Who gives a fuck if I want to see a Dr. and get some meds?

I pay for my insurance, if I think I'm sick, I'll go see a fucking doctor.

I just cant fucking concentrate, and its starting to piss me off. Dont tell me "Its my perception of things", or "I'm Just Lazy." Fuck you. Who the fuck are you to tell me I'm not sick? I know whats normal for me and whats not.


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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7534601 - 10/19/07 09:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I was never diagnosed with ADD or any attention disorders of the sort, but I did try ritalin once before a physics exam just for kicks.

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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: badchad]
    #7534852 - 10/19/07 10:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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So then what should we do with the hyperactive kid who disrupts the entire class of 30 not allowing them to learn? Hold his hand and gently whisper "It's okay" over and over until he eventually fails out?




its called parenting chad. those kids are the ones with parents who dont give a fuck.


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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #7534961 - 10/19/07 11:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I agree, but that doesn't answer my original question.

Do we now require mandatory parenting classes? Who defines what a "model parent" is? Do we set up a school for disruptive, overactive children? Who will pay for it? What if a parent disagrees and doesn't want their kid sent there?

These are all difficult questions. When considered, giving 1 out of 30 hyperactive children a drug which will calm them down and improve their academic performance doesn't seem like such a bad option.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: badchad]
    #21831752 - 06/20/15 09:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have bad social and communicative skills, problems with focusing and symptoms remind very much ADHD or it's just introversion. Anyway this problem is killing me. But mushrooms somehow unlock these skills and change me very strongly.


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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: sauroman1]
    #21831766 - 06/20/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Nope.

Amphetamines make me serene though


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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: AaronEvil]
    #21833421 - 06/20/15 06:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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It doesnt exist. If anyone is diagnosed with it and is currently on medication, you've been had. ADD/ADHD is no more than you having too much energy. How do you counter it? Eat healthier and excercise more.



too much energy, so eat healthier?
LOL, stupidest thing i've heard today.

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WakeboardrB said:
Thank you notapillow.

Aaron, do you think that everyone suffering from ADHD is hyperactive and wild?

I'm not even going to bother defending my point because you have already proven to me that you don't know shit about it.

Prove me wrong if you like. I'm interested in how you defend yourself.


he doesn't know shit fuck all about it.

lol, he says "eat healthier" and then you'll calm down...not that everyone with ADD even has hyperactivity. some have hyperfocus, for example.

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LeftyBurnz said:
i was diagnosed with it when i was in middle school. i refused to take any drugs for it. turns out it went away on its own after i started eating healthier, stopped drinking soda, eating fast food and energy drinks.... imagine that. :smile:



i'd like for you to imagine how you can explain how any of that actually works.



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Re: Do you have ADD/ADHD? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
    #21833490 - 06/20/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I challenge you to find me any proof that ADD is an actual disorder. Something that is only fixable by medication. You havent proven any of what I said wrong. You just sit back and act like you have information I do not. If you do, please share it. I can admit when I am wrong if I do not have all the information.




people find that medication helps them, time and time again. so there's your proof, that it works, because it works.

ingesting less sugar is a generally healthy aspect to a balanced diet. so your theory here is hinging on the prospect that "ingesting less sugar" cures ADD symptoms, but it doesn't...that merely lessens the symptoms of too much sugar. no shit. you're not ingesting as much sugar.

but it doesn't cure the symptoms of ADD, and i'll tell you why. because it's a disorder. that's actually why...you don't cure disorder's, genius, you treat them. hence why the drugs work, as they TREAT THE SYMPTOMS of ADD/ADHD, as in they give you more motivation, they let you focus better, or focus more, depending on your symptoms.

you health freaks really piss me off. you think a healthy fucking switch in diet will magically cure artery diseases, because you know so much about the effects of a diet. you're dietician's, not doctors. you don't know shit.


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