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Re: Spiritualism and bullshit scientifically studied [Re: Inflaton] * 1
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So much external knowledge, so little internal knowledge. Tisk, tisk tisk.... Such a shame lol.


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Re: Spiritualism and bullshit scientifically studied [Re: Inflaton]
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Let me put it this other way. The world we live in can't just be any way. We find that the vast majority of possible ways the world can be it would just not make sense mathematically. With the things we observe the possible laws of physics you can have are extremely constrained by self-consistency. And when we look at the world we find they things are exactly the only way they can be for the mathematical description of it to make sense. That's why people knew all the particles that exist decades ago, well before they were discovered. They were all found exactly as and where predicted.

WHERE THE HELL DO YOUR SPIRITS FIT HERE?

Find a a freaking place where they could fit in these theories and maybe I'll consider it :lol:


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Re: Spiritualism and bullshit scientifically studied [Re: Inflaton]
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Like "seeing the future". You guys don't even understand what the difference between past and future is. Do you?

It is just a freaking accident. Both directions of time are physically equivalent.

And no, you can't remember the future, but there is nothing different between the future of the past other than an increase of entropy in one direction.


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Re: Spiritualism and bullshit scientifically studied [Re: Inflaton] * 1
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It would be foolish to think that what we know of science today is the end all be all. Times change, things change, models change, the current mainstream scientific model fails to take into account other things that are provable/real, it's just that the model we currently have doesn't tell the whole story and misses out on some things thus we can't fit these other things into the view of mainstream science. As the model of science changes and we learn more about things, so too will the things we understand change, which then we would be able to incorporate the "supernatural" into the natural, and into scientific observation.

But once again, believe whatever you want. I'm not good at math, but i won't discount it, i just discount mainstream sciences attempts to dismiss what is real but doesn't fit in their current model. Precognition is definitely real ime, but science labels it "pseudoscience", so while i am scientific, i'm open to things outside of mainstream science. Mainstream science guys (most likely atheists) are very much so like mainstream religious nuts, their way is the only way and nothing else matters.


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Re: Spiritualism and bullshit scientifically studied [Re: Inflaton]
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Inflaton said:
Like "seeing the future". You guys don't even understand what the difference between past and future is. Do you?

It is just a freaking accident. Both directions of time are physically equivalent.

And no, you can't remember the future, but there is nothing different between the future of the past other than an increase of entropy in one direction.


Yeah, me seeing my fathers death 2 weeks before it happened, and seeing the exact same things in the vision that i saw in reality, is just nothing more than an accident lol. Riiiiiiight. Most i've seen into the future is 2 months ahead, that was the first vision, in a dream, and it was no ordinary dream, it was a vision, no doubt about that. Just because you haven't been fortunate (or unfortunate) enough to see death or near death-related futuristic events in your life, doesn't mean others can't or haven't. You will never know, until you know. And i hope you one day do have a vision, because then you'll know how it feels to have no one believe you lol.

Also i should note that i told my mom about the visions right after i had them, so it wasn't something i imagined, the events came to pass and the visions were proven correct, even though i didn't want them to be correct nor did i really care about the visions, i didn't even know seeing the future was possible until it happened. Can't deny what i've experienced man, i've put a lot of deep thought into it and tried to debunk it but it happened, what else can i say?


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Re: Spiritualism and bullshit scientifically studied [Re: Inflaton] * 1
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Inflaton said:
Right. So your claim is that psychedelics allow you to see the future.

If there was some truth to it sounds like something that can be easily proven to me.

Give psychedelics to 1000 people and ask them to predict something about the future. Ask the same to another 1000 that didnt take them. And see which group gets more rights or wrongs.

Result: failure.

I dont even need to do the experiment to know what is gonna be the answer.

If that was true and you could prove it, go ahead. If you are sucessful I guarantee you that every single person in this planet will get to know your name.



theres a video made in the 70s buy some kind of doctor and he basically proved psychedelics can cause ESP in an individual.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: Spiritualism and bullshit scientifically studied [Re: Inflaton] * 1
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Inflaton,
What you're saying is exactly what the AI in the bolded part of my post would say :wink:

Your posts sound like chapter one of a Tyson or Sean Caroll book, only you're much more confident in the accuracy and extent of human knowledge.

It really doesn't explain much, if you take the time to look at the bigger picture.

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Re: Spiritualism and bullshit scientifically studied [Re: feevers] * 1
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Bah, believe what you want people



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Re: Spiritualism and bullshit scientifically studied [Re: Inflaton] * 1
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Haven't we been saying that for awhile now Inflaton? lol.

I have nothing to gain from saying what i'm saying, i didn't know shit about anything before Aya, i learned from direct experience, idk if there's something different about my path compared to yours, but it all just came to me, i didn't even go seeking, i just took the stuff because i was interested in Psychedelics and wanted to see what they were about, so i started working with Aya, taking it regularly and diving in, experimenting around, trying different things while under the influence, was open/receptive/discerning to whatever came my way during the experience, and things just worked out and i learned a lot. So i can't tell you how the fuck i went where i did and experienced what i did, except to say that it's within you too, all you have to do is be open to it, which judging by your comments and the perspective/frame of mind you're coming from, doesn't really seem like you're open to it much at all, you're trying to be too analytical rather than being the observer and paying attention and learning from within yourself.

I do know one thing for sure, this shit's in all of us, you may not stumble upon it, but i and others have.


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Re: Spiritualism and bullshit scientifically studied [Re: Sabnock] * 1
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I wonder what gets in people's way that prevents them from understanding things from a higher/deeper level, particularly those who do actually take Psychedelics yet are more atheistic and think the spiritual/mystical stuff, or the ESP-related stuff, or other non-ordinary things that result from Entheogenic experiences are nothing more than bullshit, which really, seeing where they're coming from and how they communicate/comment just tells me what frame of mind they're in and if i had to guess i would say it's probably their mindset and biases that gets in the way. I mean from my understanding, if you take this stuff, work with it for a good long while and induce different states of mind while on it, you'll find your way, i did and i wasn't even looking, i was just experimenting around, seeing what this stuff did/does, so if i can stumble upon it, so can you, you just have to get out of your own way.

Edit - I also can not stress the importance of music, things like neo-folk and such, or instrumental music, music can take you into many different headspaces, and i do think that played a large role in coming to some of the understandings that i have, music/sound truly guides/directs the experience forwards, otherwise, there's many different possible states and experiences we can have, but you need to condition it, control some factors, influence the direction in which the experience goes/unfolds. Dunno if the Lemon Balm helped, but most of my truly spiritual/mystical experiences with Aya were with Lemon Balm in the mix, 4 grams of dried leaf made into a tea and consumed with the Aya. Also Acacia Confusa, i feel it's a very special root/tree, i kind of prefer it over Mimosa tbh.


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Re: Spiritualism and bullshit scientifically studied [Re: Inflaton] * 4
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What I’m trying to understand is why you’re so invested in going after people who believe in the potential for life to have a metaphysical side. You sound heavily invested in your own slice of reality. I mean, I think it’s good to ruffle the feathers of materialists and spiritualists alike if they get too invested in any given scheme about reality at the expense of that which remains unknown. But what I don’t understand is your investment, why you’re so motivated to be right about this and for them to be wrong.

I’ve seen things, stoned and unstoned, which make me agnostic about this stuff. I don’t believe I’m excessively credulous, possess a low IQ, any other of those other criteria listed in your initial post. The progress of knowledge certainly requires discriminating between good and bad ideas, but to write off or be too suspicious of one’s own lived-experience seems almost as foolish as accepting every subjective impression you get as being indicative of some truth or insight into the nature of reality.

Questions > certainty. I by no means have any of this figured out. But, over the years, I’ve learned to stay in the question.

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Re: Spiritualism and bullshit scientifically studied [Re: CountHTML]
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CountHTML said:
What I’m trying to understand is why you’re so invested in going after people who believe in the potential for life to have a metaphysical side. You sound heavily invested in your own slice of reality. I mean, I think it’s good to ruffle the feathers of materialists and spiritualists alike if they get too invested in any given scheme about reality at the expense of that which remains unknown. But what I don’t understand is your investment, why you’re so motivated to be right about this and for them to be wrong.



I do it just for fun :lol:


But of course I'm right and they are wrong :rofl:


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Re: Spiritualism and bullshit scientifically studied [Re: CountHTML] * 1
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"The spiritual journey does not consist of arriving at a new destination where a person gains what he did not have, or becomes what he is not. It consists in the dissipation of one's own ignorance concerning oneself and life, and the gradual growth of that understanding which begins the spiritual awakening. The finding of God is a coming to one's self." ~ Aldus Huxley


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Re: Spiritualism and bullshit scientifically studied [Re: Inflaton] * 1
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Inflaton said:
Let me put it this other way. The world we live in can't just be any way. We find that the vast majority of possible ways the world can be it would just not make sense mathematically. With the things we observe the possible laws of physics you can have are extremely constrained by self-consistency. And when we look at the world we find they things are exactly the only way they can be for the mathematical description of it to make sense. That's why people knew all the particles that exist decades ago, well before they were discovered. They were all found exactly as and where predicted.

WHERE THE HELL DO YOUR SPIRITS FIT HERE?

Find a a freaking place where they could fit in these theories and maybe I'll consider it :lol:


The world does not make sense mathematically....hence the sciences continue for a unified truth.

Understanding that some of the headiest most profound discoveries have come of the the back of what you may call " spiritualistic" type mindsets and discussions may allow you to stop trying so hard to reconcile your rational mind and the irrational experiences you may have had.

dont throw your baby out.


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Re: Spiritualism and bullshit scientifically studied [Re: pineninja]
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This is the best thread in months, I knew I liked you inflation.

If you honestly believe something you won't feel compelled to project it on others or look for it in others for self affirmation.


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to much, you didn't take enough" -
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There is no soul, only the ego dies.
The body was never yours.

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Re: Spiritualism and bullshit scientifically studied [Re: bishlap]
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pineninja said:
stop trying so hard to reconcile your rational mind and the irrational experiences you may have had.



That's the thing, I have not had any. Hallucinations, I had a lot, irrational experiences, I wouldnt say so :shrug: weirdness its kind of a known side-effect of mushrooms :lol: how is everyone else here not doubting their own sanit if you see weird shit all the time? :lol:

bishlap said:
This is the best thread in months, I knew I liked you inflation.





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Re: Spiritualism and bullshit scientifically studied [Re: bishlap]
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bishlap said: If you honestly believe something you won't feel compelled to project it on others or look for it in others for self affirmation.


Correct. Me personally, i merely share what i've learned, i'm don't want to debate people, i just wanna share what i've learned. Also i pay attention to my own thing, i couldn't care less what others are doing, but it is nice to know that after you've experienced something and you go to look deeper into it through research and experience reports and such, something you never even knew about until you experienced it being confirmed by outside sources is comforting and reaffirming, i rely solely on my own experiences, understandings, insights, all that, because it's all within ourselves, one doesn't need to look outside of them for the truth, they need only look within. So it doesn't chap my ass or anything that people view things differently than i do, i just know the level i'm at, and know they're probably not at that level of understanding yet, and that's okay, i myself have so much more to learn and understand but i've come a long way since i first started out.

Which really, it does make me think that if there is truth in religious scripture, you need the right perspective/perception to correctly interpret it, which imo i'd say just put aside religious scripture and go within, learn about yourself and the mind and Spirit and have that direct connection, then if one wants to go back and re-read the scriptures they can and may be able to more accurately interpret it's meaning, but scripture is by far not at all important imo, what's important is within, and the direct experiencing/understanding of it.

One thing that's funny though is that the states we're tapping into while on Entheogens are most likely similar or the same to states that mystics of different religious traditions also encounter, albeit probably more mildly compared to when on an Entheogen. The states we access are already within us, it's all within us, not in the drugs.


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Re: Spiritualism and bullshit scientifically studied [Re: Sabnock]
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Inflaton, i can confidently and honestly say i've never truly hallucinated. I probably have by the usual definition of hallucination, but i've never seen anything or experienced anything that i would say was a hallucination, because it's higher consciousness, i was never out of my mind or in another place, i was in this reality but with a different perception, clearheaded, sober, if anything altered me it was most likely the Cannabis, probably some Harmalas, but DMT, very clearheaded, like you're still there but there's a deeper and more real perception of this reality, you perceive it more correctly, clearly, unhindered by one's baggage, at least for me, i leave my baggage at the door and go in completely open and unbiased. I have had a little bit of slight auditory would could be called hallucinations, but i'm still on the fence about them though i did have an interesting moment hearing what sounded like spirit voices communicating with each other but i'm not saying that's what it is, just an observation, nothing more, but mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually, never hallucinated.

LSD and mushrooms may be different, but DMT is an endogenous compound, it's not your average Psychedelic, it's a neuromodulator/neurotransmitter, you may be able to experience similar things but DMT is a more original key imo and it feels natural and normal and familiar, so i would definitely recommend people work more with oral DMT, particularly Acacia Confusa, i recommend Acacia over Mimosa, for sure, but Mimosa is good too they are just a little different.


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Re: Spiritualism and bullshit scientifically studied [Re: Sabnock] * 1
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Lol don't Bible thump at me, not only are all religions BS that requires faith to even consider any scripture was written by brain washed humans that thought god spoke to them directly.

If someone tells you god talks to them do you ask them to write a book or disregard them as bat shit crazy?

I know there is no god but it does not offended me if you believe in Jesus, Allah, Buddha the tooth fairy or Santa claus but don't push them on me like I said in the quote that you quoted me.


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There is no soul, only the ego dies.
The body was never yours.

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Re: Spiritualism and bullshit scientifically studied [Re: bishlap]
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bishlap said:
Lol don't Bible thump at me, not only are all religions BS that requires faith to even consider any scripture was written by brain washed humans that thought god spoke to them directly.

If someone tells you god talks to them do you ask them to write a book or disregard them as bat shit crazy?

I know there is no god but it does not offended me if you believe in Jesus, Allah, Buddha the tooth fairy or Santa claus but don't push them on me like I said in the quote that you quoted me.


I agree, i don't like religion either, but i definitely/certainly see the potential, if they would just reconnect with their roots, get their heads out of their asses (out of scripture and into direct experience) and truly get their shit together.

And stop being retarded, you need the inner Light, Illumination, not Jesus lol.


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