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 I see very little spiritual value in LSD 
#5358648 - 03/02/06 06:16 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont see LSD as a psychedelic in the same terms as I would see mushrooms or mescaline a psychedelic. Meaning, I dont learn anything after the experience, I just "trip". I see the world skewed, melting walls, and my senses intensified.
But, no deeper value to the experience.
The only things that I learn is what comes from my own subconscious due to the stimulant factors of LSD, making my synapses snap faster, making me think faster.
I've given it a fair chance. I've tried about 10 different types of L, four different families, 6 miscellaneous chemists/sources, about 40 trips (trips, not hits) total. I've studied it with almost as much depth that I've studied mushrooms with their effect on the mind. But all I get from LSD is what I get from a roller coaster - a fun night for sure, I come back with a smile, a relatively safe experience, but not exactly the teacher of a drug that I view other psychedelics as.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Fospher]
#5358679 - 03/02/06 06:21 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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then its not the drug for you simple as that. Everyone is different.
What was your highest dose if you dont mind my asking?
Could it be that you have this predisposed idea of LSD and therfore subconciously you wont "let" yourself have that kind of experience?
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Fospher]
#5358692 - 03/02/06 06:22 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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maybe the enviroment you were in wasn't inspirational or envoking enough... next time try a small dosage of lsd with mushrooms or vice versa. never tried it, for i'm not one to combine things like that. but give it a shot anyway. who knows what'll come out of it. 
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Fospher]
#5358719 - 03/02/06 06:27 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: lysergicide]
#5358724 - 03/02/06 06:28 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hippyflipping is awesome. I see LSD as a body drug, you can feel it surging through your veins, your body feels alive as never before. Mushrooms are a mind drug for me, the smart man's drug, and by combining them both, I am uniting my mind and body by envoking my spirit.
But "feeling" is not knowledge.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Helge]
#5358734 - 03/02/06 06:29 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mescaline... Its the only way to fly.
That I would agree with. I use the Matrix quote all the time as well.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: sui]
#5358758 - 03/02/06 06:32 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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suimush said:
Could it be that you have this predisposed idea of LSD and therfore subconciously you wont "let" yourself have that kind of experience?
No, I am open minded towards new experiences.
Not a drug for me? Heroin's not a drug for me either, Im just wondering if what Im feeling is universal.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: sui]
#5358808 - 03/02/06 06:39 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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What was your highest dose if you dont mind my asking?
I've never taken more than 400 mics. Why, does the feeling become totally different if you take a extremely high dose? I've got some Mad Hatters right now, 110 mics a hit, and might try a 5 strip this weekend. You think thats going to make me change my mind?
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: lysergicide]
#5358851 - 03/02/06 06:45 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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For me LSD is one of the best. I wouldnt put anything past it but ayahuasca.
For me LSD causes some very interesting geometric visuals, though they are not as organic/interesting as mushrooms etc.
This is true but an extreemely high dose of lsd(700+mics) can create visuals and cognative experiences that are very technical. Kind of in the same way as when people say LSD is very prone to making one very self analytical.
I have never experienced time dialation with such extreems as with lsd. I also have never used a drug that makes audio visuals become a matrix composed of thousands of geometrical sounds that you have ZERO control over.
I have never known a drug that inspires your capacity to speak more than lsd.
I do think mushrooms and ayahuasca are far more alien and seperate of my self. Perhapse that is why lsd helps along insights that cannot be seen as clearly or in as realistic of a way on mushrooms etc.
I also have never known a drug that can make two best friends become so over analytical that they feel as one, and each conversation reaches new hights untill you are almost scared by what you have done, almost like you had defied god. Mushrooms would certainly do this, but it was never anything like lsd.
I have tripped over 150 times on different substances, and 70 lsd trips included. Maybe I learned how to work with it, and understood that you cant expect it to do some of the amazing things mushrooms can do. You can expect some pretty amazing things when youre not out to just have a good time with lsd, and when you dont expect the same route to the spiritual/educational aspects of the drug when in comparison to mushrooms or mescaline.
If you dont learn anything during or after the experience, then I just must have no idea what you are talking about.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
#5358872 - 03/02/06 06:48 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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The only reason I don't consider LSD as "spiritual" as shrooms or peyote is because its man-made. If I want a religious experience, I want something that God or whoever made naturally. I kind of consider LSD more of a recreational drug more than anything. Even though I'm sure others will disagree.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
#5358924 - 03/02/06 06:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've tripped about 150 times as well. About 100 times on mushrooms, 40 on LSD, 5 or 6 times on mescaline, and one divine DMT experience.
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You can expect some pretty amazing things when youre not out to just have a good time with lsd, and when you dont expect the same route to the spiritual/educational aspects of the drug when in comparison to mushrooms or mescaline.
I dont 'expect' anything. I engulf myself in the experience and play it by ear. That experience, as I said before has only made me happy, but that's about where it ends. Am I still going to do it? Sure! It doesnt make me think that much, so I wouldnt mind using it recreationally without becoming delusional from say, habitual mushroom use as I have done before.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: DoorOfPerception]
#5358955 - 03/02/06 07:01 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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One way I would explain the differences is this:
With tryptamines like mushrooms and ayahuasca, the ideas come at you so quickly and without your intention. It gives you information like a cosmic gift within the confines of the ever so complex human mind.
LSD is very different, complex and like the normal sober mind while hooked up to a supercomputer. A machine that only can show you you every path and you have to take it like a choose your own destiny book(ya know the kind they used to make for kids), but unlike shrooms it will not all of a sudden just drop you off half way, or it wont skip logic in such profound ways only for you to be able to work backwards and forwards.
I am a musician and nothing made me hear the kinds of god like things I could hear on lsd, sounds I did not influence except my vantage point within the matrix of sound. This idea coupled with the heavy time dialation, and the less "mushroom-like" inspired capasity to speak made me come to realizations that helped even my mushroom trips becaome far more increadible than they would have been.
Lsd seemes to give you certain tools that cross over into the mushroom world and you can use them there. But you cant learn the same things without having taken lsd. Of this I am sure. Mushrooms would be increadibly interesting without having done so, dont get me wrong.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
#5359007 - 03/02/06 07:10 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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With tryptamines like mushrooms and ayahuasca, the ideas come at you so quickly and without your intention. It gives you information like a cosmic gift within the confines of the ever so complex human mind.
LSD is very different, complex and like the normal sober mind while hooked up to a supercomputer. A machine that only can show you you every path and you have to take it like a choose your own destiny book(ya know the kind they used to make for kids), but unlike shrooms it will not all of a sudden just drop you off half way, or it wont skip logic in such profound ways only for you to be able to work backwards and forwards.
Complex? Im no chemist, but from my readings, the psilocybin and LSD makeup are very similar.
And I dont feel that mushrooms drop me off halfway, or anywhere in the journey for that matter. It's just that with LSD, while I like making music or Art on it, and certainly like my elevated mood, I dont feel that Im pulling anything out with me. Im not rejecting the drug completely, I guess Im just looking for a word of experience.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Fospher]
#5359175 - 03/02/06 07:36 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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stemmer - just thought I'd say I've really enjoyed the last few posts of yours that I have read. Dunno, they just seem more cohereant then they have in the past.
Your posts are typically insightfull/informative - and I enjoy them. But your last few have seemed a bit more together and well thought-out.
I've enjoyed them - thats all
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: kaniz]
#5359241 - 03/02/06 07:52 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ya, I try not to be an ass just for fun anymore, though I always was informative.
Fospher, what I meant by complex was---> visually and cognatively, not chemically.
Plenty of people find lsd to be just as useful as mushrooms in the ways you describe. I would choose to not get to far into the discussion because there is no way for me to tell you that YOU are capable of finding lsd to be just as interesting. They are totally different drugs.
Its interesting really what you said about art. I play the guitar very well, but I cant play very well on shrooms, and certainly cant play a damn thing while on mescaline.
LSD is partly responsible for the fact that I could play very well without ever having a teacher after only a year or so. Of this I am certain. SHrooms would not have worked in the same way for me, for sure. It would take pages to explain why mushrooms(for me) would not have worked as well for that purpose.
Both drugs are better for different reasons.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Fospher]
#5359348 - 03/02/06 08:19 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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you aren't dosing high enough
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Help on the Way]
#5359445 - 03/02/06 08:46 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I donno i dont find LSD that spiritual either. I get tired of visuals very fast and after that all that's left to do is wait till the trip is over. Shrooms seem to be more mellow and magic to me. Each time after trippin on shrooms I analyze parts of the trip and then i just couldnt stop for days, constantly generating an idea that helps me learn about myself or the world. Lsd doesn't have that effect. I have yet to do mescaline and im quite anxious to do that.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Help on the Way]
#5359470 - 03/02/06 08:52 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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its not as natural as say mescaline.... but it is derived from a natural plant. So its still in the same category.
Fospher... what quote were you talking about from the matrix? which one.... and what scene i dont remember?
I think all psychedelics are special in their own way.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Help on the Way]
#5359472 - 03/02/06 08:52 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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The only reason I don't consider LSD as "spiritual" as shrooms or peyote is because its man-made. If I want a religious experience, I want something that God or whoever made naturally. I kind of consider LSD more of a recreational drug more than anything. Even though I'm sure others will disagree.
I dislike bringing 'god or whoever' into a discussion but, how does it go? "God is everything or else it is nothing"?, a chemical has induced a state of mind, nothing more, nothing less and both psilocin and LSD are chemicals. Just because LSD has not been found to naturally occurring does not make it any less valid. If you have found a spiritual significance in either then I congratulate you. I, as well as many others, find much more depth and significance in LSD but, of course, to each his own. I just believe god has granted us BOTH of these great substances and whatever a person thinks about either is their own opinion. As for myself Id rather have a sheet of quality LSD then 100 kilos of mush. Others opinions will most defiantly very.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: agoutihead]
#5359494 - 03/02/06 08:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fospher... what quote were you talking about from the matrix? which one.... and what scene i dont remember?
Neo: You ever get that feeling where you're not sure if you're awake or still dreaming?
Random guy: All the time...it's called mescaline...it's the only way to fly...!
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: agoutihead]
#5359499 - 03/02/06 08:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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agoutihead said:
its not as natural as say mescaline.... but it is derived from a natural plant. So its still in the same category.
Fospher... what quote were you talking about from the matrix? which one.... and what scene i dont remember?
I think all psychedelics are special in their own way.
The scene form the original movie where Neo asks the red-haired fellow at his apt door "do you ever feel like you werent sure if you are awake or dreaming" and the fellow responds something to the effect of "yea, Mescaline, its the only way to fly".
Im proably a little inaccurate but I havent seen it in a while.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Gratos]
#5359500 - 03/02/06 08:57 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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they used to use the ergot plant and just brew it somehow thousands of years ago. same thing as lsd... just different preparation.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: agoutihead]
#5359513 - 03/02/06 09:00 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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agoutihead said:
they used to use the ergot plant and just brew it somehow thousands of years ago. same thing as lsd... just different preparation.
?? 
EDIT: please state a reference
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Baelomor]
#5359516 - 03/02/06 09:01 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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YA thats not true at all agoutihead..........
I think your acid is likely just really low dose acid if it doesnt make you become VERY involved in the psychedelic experience.
Im not about to get in to the discussion about how it might just be really poorly made acid, because there are quite afew lsd-related drugs that fit on a blotter that have VERY similare effects, and they are an easier synth too. Like a shortcut.
LSD is great for learning about your self and the world during and after the experience. I dont know what kind of acid you must be taking.
Also there is no reason to compare the two drugs in that way.
They both have somewhat similare, but more-so different effects.
Anyone who has dosed on true lsd-25 in gel tab form knows that it is one hell of a hallucinogen. I too think some people are not sensative to hallucinogens(sadly), and you are not dosing high enough if it is all fun and games to you.
Ive had acid that was clearly lsd of some sort, and the dose was so low I just didnt care for that type of acid. SOme people loved that same acid and said it was the best they have ever had. For me it was by far the worst, but it worked.
If you find some gel tabs, just buy them, maybee that will change you point of view. They are often most pure and are the most potent per dose.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Gratos]
#5359558 - 03/02/06 09:13 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Think of it this way, psilocybin emerged from mushrooms, mushrooms emerged from nature. LSD emerged from man, man emerged from nature. We are just as much a part of nature as the mushroom. We are essentially the same. After we die, we go back into the earth, and psychedelic mushrooms could very well grow from our remains. IMO it really doesnt matter where the substance came from, it is the individuals response and preference of experience that determines the spiritual outcome. LSD is incredibly spiritual for me, and I dont mind that its made in a lab. Some might, and thats cool too.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
#5359585 - 03/02/06 09:19 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you find some gel tabs, just buy them, maybee that will change you point of view. They are often most pure and are the most potent per dose.
Possibly but if LSD isnt his thing then it isnt his thing. Im of the opinion that its all about the freshness of the batch. Ive had blotter that completely and utterly blew the shit out of window Pane. I personally believe how good your LSD is going to be relies almost completely on a time/handling equation. Of course some people who make it arent very good at making it so that also is a factor but with quality LSD I think it needs to get to the end user as quickly as possible for maximum freshness. He would proably be best off buying some form of gel though because air shouldnt factor into the degredation equation (elimimating one of the three worst things you can do to LSD).
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Gratos]
#5359635 - 03/02/06 09:30 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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The thing is blotters degrade alot faster, and depending on the size of the gel tab(though they are always very thin if they are VERY good), it holds alot more lsd(not necessarily more, but more-more easily without waist).
Also geltabs just tend to be the absolute top notch. Blotters vary and there is no way to tell what you are getting even if someone tries to tell you what it is your are buying.
Gel tabs are almost made for high dosers and are made by the best. Thats why they put the purest of the pure into gels. ALthough light can get in there if left in the sun, It protects the lsd far better than with blotters. You really know that the creators knew what they were doing when it is in gel tab form.
ONly reason to question the superiority of geltabs: If they have bubbles, if they are really thick, and if they are very plyable.
All good gels need to be cut with much care just so the hard gelitine substance doesnt go flying across the room.
If its gel is usually far better is all, and its mainly because it shows how smart and able the ones who inoculated the gel really are.
A point of inoculation is a very good sign. Honestly, a great sign is if you look at the sheet and you can still see the inoculation points on some of the hits.
and yes, the best sheets of gels are indeed inoculated with pure acid and in each hit, with much care
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
#5359700 - 03/02/06 09:47 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think your acid is likely just really low dose acid if it doesnt make you become VERY involved in the psychedelic experience.
You should stop making assumptions. My 'hatters will make you lose your mind.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
#5359702 - 03/02/06 09:47 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, A blotter can go to hell alot faster then a gel.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Gratos]
#5359746 - 03/02/06 10:05 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I bet they could make me loose it. They do look awfully good from here.
Im just saying that gels are on average a VERY high dose per "hit".
Any blotter can have a kickass print and still be shitty or just average blotter. And yes, some blotters are so good that they are likely as good as the best common, thin, ultra-potent gel. It happens im sure.
These are not assumptions though. Its just the word from the mouths of those who know the drug best(believe me). Please re-read if you think I was making any assumptions. You could have the best acid anyone has had in years for all I know. I just happen to know a bit about why gels are more potent on average, and more.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
#5360809 - 03/03/06 07:03 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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haha! i cant believe i missed that mescaline quote in the matrix... was it in the begining i take it???
by the way i watch the second one (i think heh) on some lsd.... it almost changed my life... it was fucking amazing! the message... everything about it. wonderful.
Stemmer what did you mean by....
YA thats not true at all agoutihead..........
and i got the ergot brew idea from Dr. Hofmann's book.
Eleusis.. (i think) was some old age city where they used to have chosen ones who would go into a temple and get some magic light.
it is believed that it was a hallucenigen.
How can you guys say that lsd is not natural.... Dr. Hofmann was a organic chemist.
Its just a synthetic material because it is able to be massed produced.
just like synthetic mescaline and pscilocybin.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Fospher]
#5360826 - 03/03/06 07:14 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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You should stop making assumptions. My 'hatters will make you lose your mind.
ah, but wouldnt that be an assumption also?
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: dedjam]
#5361896 - 03/03/06 03:05 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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"they used to use the ergot plant and just brew it somehow thousands of years ago. same thing as lsd... just different preparation".--agoutihead
Well I meant that what you said is not true agoutihead. Thousands of years ago they likely did use lsa bearing seeds, and some may have made lsd-LIKE drugs from ergot though I have never heard of that.
I meant that if it was some crazy preparation of ergot, it was never even close to lsd. Ergot has no lsd-25 in it. It does contain active lsa's and some of the more toxic ones at that.
No one made acid a thousand years ago is all I was saying. I only bumped this thread because I thought it would interest some people and let some people know that lsd, is indeed organic If you choose to look at it that way, but it takes the human hand to make it come to be lsd-25.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Fospher]
#5361954 - 03/03/06 03:17 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I strongly disagree with the notion that LSD cannot produce a spiritual trip. My personal experiences on LSD have been very spiritual for me as have my mushroom experiences, haven't tried mescaline or peyote yet. For me its the setting of the experience that determines whether its spiritual or not. Trips in the forest or in a nice comfortable room will almost certainly be spiritual in content for me. I do feel that LSD is more suitable to a wider range of settings than mushrooms, and is a more clear sort of experience which can lend to more party like settings. I also feel that LSD is less "teacher" like than mushrooms, but more of a personal interface, an intense meditation on the self.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Gopal]
#5361978 - 03/03/06 03:25 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've found it depends on my state of mind, and the place (emotionally and understanding of self and universe) that I'm currently in, when it comes to how LSD, mushrooms ect.. effect me.
Sometimes high dose trips are just visual mad houses full of freaky ideals and possible realities in my head. Other times I've had this fractal world of color and sound open up in my third eye and the secrets of the cosmic and atomic world comming flooding in.. flooring me for up to 16 hours. I see all of them as tools, and I can using them to learn, understand, create, delussion or even to distroy wrecklessly the world within.
I really think it has a lot to do with just how suseptable you are to your ego being disolved and just how quiet you are willing to be, to let the wisper of empathy and awareness in.
I could easily spend a night tripping with other people, fighting the effects to remain "normal" in "normal" conversation and get no where with the substance... or I can sit my ass down, overcome the desire to be distracted and let go.
Maybe with you mushrooms just have a more straight forward way of creating this fertile awareness within you? donno...
Edited by Psychenaut (03/03/06 03:28 PM)
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
#5362235 - 03/03/06 04:50 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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These are not assumptions though. Its just the word from the mouths of those who know the drug best(believe me). Please re-read if you think I was making any assumptions. You could have the best acid anyone has had in years for all I know. I just happen to know a bit about why gels are more potent on average, and more.
I wasnt talking about geltab/blotter potency.
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I think your acid is likely just really low dose acid if it doesnt make you become VERY involved in the psychedelic experience.
Im not about to get in to the discussion about how it might just be really poorly made acid, because there are quite afew lsd-related drugs that fit on a blotter that have VERY similare effects, and they are an easier synth too. Like a shortcut.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: dedjam]
#5362238 - 03/03/06 04:52 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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ah, but wouldnt that be an assumption also?
Considering these are 40 mics short of California Sunshine, no, these really are mindblowing.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Fospher]
#5362448 - 03/03/06 05:53 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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california sunshine?
Fospher: GET YOUR HATTERS OUT OF THE LIGHT!!! :p
I myself found the mushrooms and acid to be very spiritual, then again, so was 2 hits of DOB :P. Self analysis is a very important part of the trip, as it can later lead or follow up to some very interesting thoughts about the world around you. I can see how different psychedelics would have different 'appeal' to different people, but the fact of the matter is they are all very useful, and I'd be so grateful if i could have, say, LSD as the 'fun rollercoaster' one (eg: without the mindfuck) and have the mushrooms as the 'i wanna find out something new' trip or vice versa, if you get my point.
I have a belief that since spores can survive the vacuum of space, that perhaps all spores (mushrooms, magic or not magic) came from outer space, sprayed onto us from some passing comet or maybe even the one that killed the dinosaurs. A gift from another galaxy, and the psilocybin ones were the ones that adapted to our atmosphere and reacted differently to produce psilocin, it goes deeper than that, but thats the general idea of it anyway.
if i were you, Fospher, I'd be grateful or at least mungin down that whole sheet of hatters you got there.
What mics are they, if you dont mind me asking?
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: indica]
#5362621 - 03/03/06 06:59 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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"I think your acid is likely just really low dose acid if it doesnt make you become VERY involved in the psychedelic experience.
Im not about to get in to the discussion about how it might just be really poorly made acid, because there are quite afew lsd-related drugs that fit on a blotter that have VERY similare effects, and they are an easier synth too. Like a shortcut".--(((I said)))
No one was saying your mad hatters are not good or great.
LSD has spiritual value is all. If you dont feel that way, then its shitty acid or you are not the type of person who can find the same kind of respect for the drug, the same respect that many others have for it. If you dont like it when you compare it to shrooms, even if you say that to make a point, it really doesnt matter. LSd is one of the best, spiritual or not.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
#5362708 - 03/03/06 07:35 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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que?
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: indica]
#5363026 - 03/03/06 09:22 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was just saying for one that no one was trying to say any certain person's acid is bad.
Its totally different than shrooms, and can most definately be considered very spiritual. Just like shrooms, but different at the same time.
It really just depends on you is all I was saying. If you do have a spiritual experience on lsd, it just wont take the same route as mushrooms.
Edit: I had to edit that because my last sentance mentioned lsd twice. Its kind of cool that you still got my point.
Edited by stemmer (03/03/06 09:49 PM)
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
#5363105 - 03/03/06 09:46 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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good point, im just happy they both have spiritual experiences
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: indica]
#5363135 - 03/03/06 09:58 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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stemmer i wasnt saying it was exactly lsd... but basically the lsd family since it is from the ergot alkaloid.... like i said dont forget... dr. hofmann was a ORGANIC chemist... thats all he studied was plants.
the following is per dr. hofmann's book....
...to research on this mysterious potion (in the english publication of kerenyi's book ELEUSIS - Schoken books, New York, 1977), are of the opinion that the kykeon was mixed with a hallucinogenic drug. {the road to Eleusis by R. Gordon Wasson and Albert Hofmann and Carl A.P. Ruck} the possibility is discussed that the kykeon could have acted through an LSD-like preparation of ergot.
So like i said... not EXACTLY lsd... but very similar..... he also mentions somewhere else in his book that they were brewing some kind of punch or something thousands of years ago using ergot fungus.
So it is natural. but obviously a little help from the human hand in extraction thats all.
For those of you who dont know who R. Gordan Wasson... he is the guy who first discovered mushshrooms in mexico and sent them to Dr. Hofmann.
He is also the one who discovered the use of morning glories in mexico and also sent them to Dr. Hofmann.
He is also the one that went on a trip to mexico with Dr. Hofmann to discover the plant we all know and love... Salvia.
That guy was the V.P. of J.P. Morgan.... which is now brothers with chase bank today.
Dr. Hofmann's book was very interesting i just finished it recently.
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"Experience the liquid realm..."
"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: indica]
#5363144 - 03/03/06 10:01 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I had to edit my last post because my last sentance mentioned lsd twice. Its kind of cool that you still got my point.
It used to read: "If you do have a spiritual experience on lsd, it just wont take the same route as lsd"..
If I were really stoned I wouldnt have picked up on it if I saw where the person was going with their post. Thanks for not noticing.
I guess thats one upside of reading quickly and even typing quickly(with many errors), if you were editing it would be a different story.
But ya back to the point, Im pretty damn glad that they are both around, because they are not supposed to be the same, or else you could just stick with one or the other.
Comparing lsd to shrooms as it pertains to spiritual value(or even "educational" value) is like comparing mushrooms to salvia/smoked dmt as they relate to spirituality.
Which is better for spirituality deserves a long discussion, but would only get anywhere in person, not over the internet.
(unless people submitted a shitload of essays about the subject). STill it doesnt go anywhere.........
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
#5363175 - 03/03/06 10:12 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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To agoutihead, you said "same as lsd", so I said "no different". If you used more primal methods you could likely make something other than ergot soup. I was not disagreeing with that.
I dont feel that lsd is any less organic than shrooms(and I couldnt care less if it was delivered from space). I was not the one saying that all natural substances are better.
They are all chemicals, the potentialities are fulfilled when ingested by humans.
In a way, lsd is natural. In our day in age, even without complex chemical awarness one could probably make ergot alkaloids more pure and more enjoyable(without the wacked out side effects).
A "punch" made from ergot is not that unrealistic.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
#5363261 - 03/03/06 10:31 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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sure sure... and another main reason why lsd became so popular is because it was able to be produced in a mass production and obviously takes such a minimal amount of product to work.
its actually the strongest psychedelic as far as weight goes.
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"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."
"Experience the liquid realm..."
"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
#5363279 - 03/03/06 10:34 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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A "punch" made from ergot is not that unrealistic.
Heh, yeah. But I dont think Id be first in line to test it.
I dont personally think itd be all that great either, proably MG trip at best.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Gratos]
#5363309 - 03/03/06 10:41 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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"at best" as good as lsa's, would be my guess also.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
#5363382 - 03/03/06 11:04 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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lsd rules
until i find some, salvinorin rules, in much shorter regimes (and way more often)
what you put into the experience is all there is. magnificent.
very very little psychoactive compound - huge mental effect. magnificent.
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: redgreenvines]
#5363402 - 03/03/06 11:11 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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heh, if you don't feel the infinite eternal roar of the universe conscienceness and you don't see the fractal sunrise in your third eye.. you either aren't doing enough or your ego, perseption of time/space is industructable.. :P (is that possible? say it ain't so!)
oh yeah btw.. I've found the aid of psychedelic techno or trace turned up really loud in a contious mix to greatly assist the process.. the constant pulsating pounding trance rythm does wonders to bend time/space into playdoh 
Edited by Psychenaut (03/03/06 11:13 PM)
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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Fospher]
#10462901 - 06/06/09 07:44 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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All molecules are different to different minds. LSD was very spiritual to me. although i could see were your coming from. mescaline and mushies have a more "insightful" spiritual feel while to me LSD seemed more recreational as like body surges and speedy effects.
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