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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: indica]
    #5363026 - 03/03/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I was just saying for one that no one was trying to say any certain person's acid is bad.
Its totally different than shrooms, and can most definately be considered very spiritual. Just like shrooms, but different at the same time.

It really just depends on you is all I was saying. If you do have a spiritual experience on lsd, it just wont take the same route as mushrooms.

Edit: I had to edit that because my last sentance mentioned lsd twice. Its kind of cool that you still got my point.


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
    #5363105 - 03/03/06 09:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

good point, im just happy they both have spiritual experiences


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: indica]
    #5363135 - 03/03/06 09:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

stemmer i wasnt saying it was exactly lsd... but basically the lsd family since it is from the ergot alkaloid.... like i said dont forget... dr. hofmann was a ORGANIC chemist... thats all he studied was plants.

the following is per dr. hofmann's book....

...to research on this mysterious potion (in the english publication of kerenyi's book ELEUSIS - Schoken books, New York, 1977), are of the opinion that the kykeon was mixed with a hallucinogenic drug. {the road to Eleusis by R. Gordon Wasson and Albert Hofmann and Carl A.P. Ruck} the possibility is discussed that the kykeon could have acted through an LSD-like preparation of ergot.

So like i said... not EXACTLY lsd... but very similar..... he also mentions somewhere else in his book that they were brewing some kind of punch or something thousands of years ago using ergot fungus.

So it is natural. but obviously a little help from the human hand in extraction thats all.

For those of you who dont know who R. Gordan Wasson... he is the guy who first discovered mushshrooms in mexico and sent them to Dr. Hofmann.

He is also the one who discovered the use of morning glories in mexico and also sent them to Dr. Hofmann.

He is also the one that went on a trip to mexico with Dr. Hofmann to discover the plant we all know and love... Salvia.

That guy was the V.P. of J.P. Morgan.... which is now brothers with chase bank today.

Dr. Hofmann's book was very interesting i just finished it recently.


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"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: indica]
    #5363144 - 03/03/06 10:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I had to edit my last post because my last sentance mentioned lsd twice. Its kind of cool that you still got my point.
It used to read: "If you do have a spiritual experience on lsd, it just wont take the same route as lsd"..

If I were really stoned I wouldnt have picked up on it if I saw where the person was going with their post. Thanks for not noticing.

I guess thats one upside of reading quickly and even typing quickly(with many errors), if you were editing it would be a different story.

But ya back to the point, Im pretty damn glad that they are both around, because they are not supposed to be the same, or else you could just stick with one or the other.
Comparing lsd to shrooms as it pertains to spiritual value(or even "educational" value) is like comparing mushrooms to salvia/smoked dmt as they relate to spirituality.
Which is better for spirituality deserves a long discussion, but would only get anywhere in person, not over the internet.

(unless people submitted a shitload of essays about the subject). STill it doesnt go anywhere.........


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
    #5363175 - 03/03/06 10:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

To agoutihead, you said "same as lsd", so I said "no different". If you used more primal methods you could likely make something other than ergot soup. I was not disagreeing with that.

I dont feel that lsd is any less organic than shrooms(and I couldnt care less if it was delivered from space). I was not the one saying that all natural substances are better.

They are all chemicals, the potentialities are fulfilled when ingested by humans.
In a way, lsd is natural. In our day in age, even without complex chemical awarness one could probably make ergot alkaloids more pure and more enjoyable(without the wacked out side effects).
A "punch" made from ergot is not that unrealistic.


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
    #5363261 - 03/03/06 10:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

sure sure... and another main reason why lsd became so popular is because it was able to be produced in a mass production and obviously takes such a minimal amount of product to work.

its actually the strongest psychedelic as far as weight goes.


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"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

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"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
    #5363279 - 03/03/06 10:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

A "punch" made from ergot is not that unrealistic.




Heh, yeah. But I dont think Id be first in line to test it. :smile:
I dont personally think itd be all that great either, proably MG trip at best.


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Gratos]
    #5363309 - 03/03/06 10:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"at best" as good as lsa's, would be my guess also.


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
    #5363382 - 03/03/06 11:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

lsd rules

until i find some, salvinorin rules, in much shorter regimes (and way more often)

what you put into the experience is all there is. magnificent.

very very little psychoactive compound - huge mental effect. magnificent.


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5363402 - 03/03/06 11:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

heh, if you don't feel the infinite eternal roar of the universe conscienceness and you don't see the fractal sunrise in your third eye.. you either aren't doing enough or your ego, perseption of time/space is industructable.. :P (is that possible?  say it ain't so!)

oh yeah btw.. I've found the aid of psychedelic techno or trace turned up really loud in a contious mix to greatly assist the process.. the constant pulsating pounding trance rythm does wonders to bend time/space into playdoh :wink:


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Fospher]
    #10462901 - 06/06/09 07:44 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

All molecules are different to different minds. LSD was very spiritual to me. although i could see were your coming from. mescaline and mushies have a more "insightful" spiritual feel while to me LSD seemed more recreational as like body surges and speedy effects.


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