Legalizeshrooms said:

if you think the truth depends on human's ability to prove it, you are so far off the mark as to be laughable.

humans don't know anything. we've been here about 200k years. fungi have been here for, the scientists say, 1.2 billion years. that's 6000x longer than humans have been on this planet. their intelligence is far beyond human intelligence

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So now you believe scientists and their numbers? Why dont you go ask your smart mushrooms instead?



And enough with the idolizing of fucking mushrooms people. Psilocybin is a molecule. A chemical. I actually find it quite annoying the chemical I want to consume is inside a nasty mushroom. They are indigest and give me gasses.

Sabnock said:

The chemical is merely a key, what it unlocks within the Human being, is what's important.

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Legalizeshrooms said:

my heart melted for real.

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But like... it became liquid?

Inflaton said:

Legalizeshrooms said:

if you think the truth depends on human's ability to prove it, you are so far off the mark as to be laughable.

humans don't know anything. we've been here about 200k years. fungi have been here for, the scientists say, 1.2 billion years. that's 6000x longer than humans have been on this planet. their intelligence is far beyond human intelligence

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So now you believe scientists and their numbers? Why dont you go ask your smart mushrooms instead?



And enough with the idolizing of fucking mushrooms people. Psilocybin is a molecule. A chemical. I actually find it quite annoying the chemical I want to consume is inside a nasty mushroom. They are indigest and give me gasses.

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Legalizeshrooms said:

in the end, all our bodies disintegrate into dust. better find out what's beyond the body and mind before we die.

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pinedownpioneer said:

Sabnock sorry to hear about your father's death. 4 years ago I caught MRSA on my right knee. Started as what looked like and ant bite and exploded into a severe infection in a couple days. Doctors said I could have lost my leg had I came in a day later. Since then I have pain and inflammation.

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feevers said:

Telepathy with psychedelics is real, seeing the future while on psychedelics is real. I've experienced both briefly and to varying degrees, and have read countless reports of others experiencing the same... from the McKenna's and Stamets down to an endless amount of threads here and on other forums. Don't know how or why it happens, but I'd be delusional if I didn't believe it after everything I've experienced/read.

Even without any of that, psychedelics show us without fail what neuroscience research has long-since confirmed, that our perceptions ultimately just conjure up an illusion, that is at best an evolutionarily suited representation of something "real". The fact we think we understand reality is laughable, when the only information we actually receive from our environment is heavily filtered, doctored, and not even in real-time.

There's a difference between what we're capable of explaining or even understanding, and the literally unlimited realm of what's possible.

Psychedelics can allow you to get a taste for "what if" scenarios of reality, they can rock your perceptions and preconceived notions of existence so much that you end up questioning everything you believed prior. A lot of people seem to cling to something new when that happens, like "psychedelics are God" or "it's all a simulation" for example. A few more trips may wipe that notion away as well

That's a long winded way of saying that none of us know shit. believing in anything, including materialistic science, may blind you more than help you.

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feevers said:

Telepathy with psychedelics is real, seeing the future while on psychedelics is real. I've experienced both briefly and to varying degrees, and have read countless reports of others experiencing the same... from the McKenna's and Stamets down to an endless amount of threads here and on other forums. Don't know how or why it happens, but I'd be delusional if I didn't believe it after everything I've experienced/read.

Even without any of that, psychedelics show us without fail what neuroscience research has long-since confirmed, that our perceptions ultimately just conjure up an illusion, that is at best an evolutionarily suited representation of something "real". The fact we think we understand reality is laughable, when the only information we actually receive from our environment is heavily filtered, doctored, and not even in real-time. Science can extend life (give or take 80 years out of billions the earth's been around) and make life easier, that's not all that interesting to me. If I had to chose only one I'd rather have a proper psychedelic experience than know every fact of science.

Materialism falls short intellectually from the get go. If we eventually create intelligent AI in a video game, does that AI grow to figure out the code of the game, then believe that the code is an explanation for all that exists? The AI simply can't comprehend humans, because we're not written in or into the code that it exists within. There's just unintentional and confusing hints at our existence written into the code. There's a difference between what we're capable of explaining or even understanding, and the literally unlimited realm of what's possible.

Psychedelics can allow you to get a taste for "what if" scenarios of reality, they can rock your perceptions and preconceived notions of existence so much that you end us questioning everything you believed prior. A lot of people seem to cling to something new when that happens, like "psychedelics are God" or "it's all a simulation" for example. A few more trips may wipe that notion away as well

That's a long winded way of saying that none of us know shit. believing in anything, including materialistic science, may blind you more than help you.

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I vehemently disagree. I must be the only materialist that likes psychedelics

We are a complex molecular machine and us being here does not change the way things are. And the world has very strict, clear laws about which we know much more intimately than you realize. We don't know everything, but know the laws of everything that can have a material impact of us. With absolute precision and certainty. What we don't know is simply due to computational complexity. But we know exactly with astounding precision how each little piece moves.

There simply is no room for nothing else. There just isn't. That is what you people don't realize.

We know more than you think.

For instance we know there can't be other charged particle like the electron. With 100% absolute certainty. Why? Mathematics. The mathematical theory that describes the would would break down. Not to talk about ghosts, spirits or ridiculous things... It you people that don't know those things. But some humans do have that knowledge.

Versus a guy on mushrooms and mathematics I believe mathematics. Because they work.