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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: agoutihead]
    #5359499 - 03/02/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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its not as natural as say mescaline.... but it is derived from a natural plant. So its still in the same category.

Fospher... what quote were you talking about from the matrix? which one.... and what scene i dont remember?

I think all psychedelics are special in their own way.




The scene form the original movie where Neo asks the red-haired fellow at his apt door "do you ever feel like you werent sure if you are awake or dreaming" and the fellow responds something to the effect of "yea, Mescaline, its the only way to fly".

Im proably a little inaccurate but I havent seen it in a while.


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Gratos]
    #5359500 - 03/02/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

they used to use the ergot plant and just brew it somehow thousands of years ago. same thing as lsd... just different preparation.


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: agoutihead]
    #5359513 - 03/02/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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they used to use the ergot plant and just brew it somehow thousands of years ago.  same thing as lsd... just different preparation.




?? :tongue:

EDIT: please state a reference


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Baelomor]
    #5359516 - 03/02/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

YA thats not true at all agoutihead..........

I think your acid is likely just really low dose acid if it doesnt make you become VERY involved in the psychedelic experience.

Im not about to get in to the discussion about how it might just be really poorly made acid, because there are quite afew lsd-related drugs that fit on a blotter that have VERY similare effects, and they are an easier synth too. Like a shortcut.

LSD is great for learning about your self and the world during and after the experience. I dont know what kind of acid you must be taking.

Also there is no reason to compare the two drugs in that way.
They both have somewhat similare, but more-so different effects.

Anyone who has dosed on true lsd-25 in gel tab form knows that it is one hell of a hallucinogen. I too think some people are not sensative to hallucinogens(sadly), and you are not dosing high enough if it is all fun and games to you.

Ive had acid that was clearly lsd of some sort, and the dose was so low I just didnt care for that type of acid. SOme people loved that same acid and said it was the best they have ever had. For me it was by far the worst, but it worked.
If you find some gel tabs, just buy them, maybee that will change you point of view. They are often most pure and are the most potent per dose.


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Gratos]
    #5359558 - 03/02/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Think of it this way, psilocybin emerged from mushrooms, mushrooms emerged from nature.  LSD emerged from man, man emerged from nature. We are just as much a part of nature as the mushroom.  We are essentially the same.  After we die, we go back into the earth, and psychedelic mushrooms could very well grow from our remains.  IMO it really doesnt matter where the substance came from, it is the individuals response and preference of experience that determines the spiritual outcome.  LSD is incredibly spiritual for me, and I dont mind that its made in a lab.    Some might, and thats cool too. 

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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
    #5359585 - 03/02/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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If you find some gel tabs, just buy them, maybee that will change you point of view. They are often most pure and are the most potent per dose.





Possibly but if LSD isnt his thing then it isnt his thing. Im of the opinion that its all about the freshness of the batch. Ive had blotter that completely and utterly blew the shit out of window Pane. I personally believe how good your LSD is going to be relies almost completely on a time/handling equation. Of course some people who make it arent very good at making it so that also is a factor but with quality LSD I think it needs to get to the end user as quickly as possible for maximum freshness. He would proably be best off buying some form of gel though because air shouldnt factor into the degredation equation (elimimating one of the three worst things you can do to LSD).


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Gratos]
    #5359635 - 03/02/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The thing is blotters degrade alot faster, and depending on the size of the gel tab(though they are always very thin if they are VERY good), it holds alot more lsd(not necessarily more, but more-more easily without waist).
Also geltabs just tend to be the absolute top notch. Blotters vary and there is no way to tell what you are getting even if someone tries to tell you what it is your are buying.
Gel tabs are almost made for high dosers and are made by the best. Thats why they put the purest of the pure into gels. ALthough light can get in there if left in the sun, It protects the lsd far better than with blotters. You really know that the creators knew what they were doing when it is in gel tab form.

ONly reason to question the superiority of geltabs: If they have bubbles, if they are really thick, and if they are very plyable.
All good gels need to be cut with much care just so the hard gelitine substance doesnt go flying across the room.
If its gel is usually far better is all, and its mainly because it shows how smart and able the ones who inoculated the gel really are.
A point of inoculation is a very good sign. Honestly, a great sign is if you look at the sheet and you can still see the inoculation points on some of the hits.

and yes, the best sheets of gels are indeed inoculated with pure acid and in each hit, with much care


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
    #5359700 - 03/02/06 09:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I think your acid is likely just really low dose acid if it doesnt make you become VERY involved in the psychedelic experience.




You should stop making assumptions. My 'hatters will make you lose your mind.



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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
    #5359702 - 03/02/06 09:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, A blotter can go to hell alot faster then a gel.


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Gratos]
    #5359746 - 03/02/06 10:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I bet they could make me loose it. They do look awfully good from here.

Im just saying that gels are on average a VERY high dose per "hit".
Any blotter can have a kickass print and still be shitty or just average blotter. And yes, some blotters are so good that they are likely as good as the best common, thin, ultra-potent gel. It happens im sure.

These are not assumptions though. Its just the word from the mouths of those who know the drug best(believe me). Please re-read if you think I was making any assumptions. You could have the best acid anyone has had in years for all I know. I just happen to know a bit about why gels are more potent on average, and more.


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
    #5360809 - 03/03/06 07:03 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

haha! i cant believe i missed that mescaline quote in the matrix... was it in the begining i take it???

by the way i watch the second one (i think heh) on some lsd.... it almost changed my life... it was fucking amazing! the message... everything about it. wonderful.

Stemmer what did you mean by....

YA thats not true at all agoutihead..........

and i got the ergot brew idea from Dr. Hofmann's book.

Eleusis.. (i think) was some old age city where they used to have chosen ones who would go into a temple and get some magic light.

it is believed that it was a hallucenigen.

How can you guys say that lsd is not natural.... Dr. Hofmann was a organic chemist.

Its just a synthetic material because it is able to be massed produced.

just like synthetic mescaline and pscilocybin.


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Fospher]
    #5360826 - 03/03/06 07:14 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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You should stop making assumptions. My 'hatters will make you lose your mind.






ah, but wouldnt that be an assumption also?


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: dedjam]
    #5361896 - 03/03/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"they used to use the ergot plant and just brew it somehow thousands of years ago. same thing as lsd... just different preparation".--agoutihead

Well I meant that what you said is not true agoutihead. Thousands of years ago they likely did use lsa bearing seeds, and some may have made lsd-LIKE drugs from ergot though I have never heard of that.
I meant that if it was some crazy preparation of ergot, it was never even close to lsd. Ergot has no lsd-25 in it. It does contain active lsa's and some of the more toxic ones at that.

No one made acid a thousand years ago is all I was saying. I only bumped this thread because I thought it would interest some people and let some people know that lsd, is indeed organic If you choose to look at it that way, but it takes the human hand to make it come to be lsd-25.


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Fospher]
    #5361954 - 03/03/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I strongly disagree with the notion that LSD cannot produce a spiritual trip. My personal experiences on LSD have been very spiritual for me as have my mushroom experiences, haven't tried mescaline or peyote yet. For me its the setting of the experience that determines whether its spiritual or not. Trips in the forest or in a nice comfortable room will almost certainly be spiritual in content for me. I do feel that LSD is more suitable to a wider range of settings than mushrooms, and is a more clear sort of experience which can lend to more party like settings. I also feel that LSD is less "teacher" like than mushrooms, but more of a personal interface, an intense meditation on the self.


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Gopal]
    #5361978 - 03/03/06 03:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I've found it depends on my state of mind, and the place (emotionally and understanding of self and universe) that I'm currently in, when it comes to how LSD, mushrooms ect.. effect me.

Sometimes high dose trips are just visual mad houses full of freaky ideals and possible realities in my head. Other times I've had this fractal world of color and sound open up in my third eye and the secrets of the cosmic and atomic world comming flooding in.. flooring me for up to 16 hours. I see all of them as tools, and I can using them to learn, understand, create, delussion or even to distroy wrecklessly the world within.

I really think it has a lot to do with just how suseptable you are to your ego being disolved and just how quiet you are willing to be, to let the wisper of empathy and awareness in.

I could easily spend a night tripping with other people, fighting the effects to remain "normal" in "normal" conversation and get no where with the substance... or I can sit my ass down, overcome the desire to be distracted and let go.

Maybe with you mushrooms just have a more straight forward way of creating this fertile awareness within you? donno...


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
    #5362235 - 03/03/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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These are not assumptions though. Its just the word from the mouths of those who know the drug best(believe me). Please re-read if you think I was making any assumptions. You could have the best acid anyone has had in years for all I know. I just happen to know a bit about why gels are more potent on average, and more.




I wasnt talking about geltab/blotter potency.

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I think your acid is likely just really low dose acid if it doesnt make you become VERY involved in the psychedelic experience.

Im not about to get in to the discussion about how it might just be really poorly made acid, because there are quite afew lsd-related drugs that fit on a blotter that have VERY similare effects, and they are an easier synth too. Like a shortcut.




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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: dedjam]
    #5362238 - 03/03/06 04:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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ah, but wouldnt that be an assumption also?




Considering these are 40 mics short of California Sunshine, no, these really are mindblowing.


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: Fospher]
    #5362448 - 03/03/06 05:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

california sunshine?

Fospher: GET YOUR HATTERS OUT OF THE LIGHT!!! :p

I myself found the mushrooms and acid to be very spiritual, then again, so was 2 hits of DOB :P. Self analysis is a very important part of the trip, as it can later lead or follow up to some very interesting thoughts about the world around you. I can see how different psychedelics would have different 'appeal' to different people, but the fact of the matter is they are all very useful, and I'd be so grateful if i could have, say, LSD as the 'fun rollercoaster' one (eg: without the mindfuck) and have the mushrooms as the 'i wanna find out something new' trip or vice versa, if you get my point.
I have a belief that since spores can survive the vacuum of space, that perhaps all spores (mushrooms, magic or not magic) came from outer space, sprayed onto us from some passing comet or maybe even the one that killed the dinosaurs. A gift from another galaxy, and the psilocybin ones were the ones that adapted to our atmosphere and reacted differently to produce psilocin, it goes deeper than that, but thats the general idea of it anyway.


if i were you, Fospher, I'd be grateful or at least mungin down that whole sheet of hatters you got there.
What mics are they, if you dont mind me asking?


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: indica]
    #5362621 - 03/03/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"I think your acid is likely just really low dose acid if it doesnt make you become VERY involved in the psychedelic experience.
Im not about to get in to the discussion about how it might just be really poorly made acid, because there are quite afew lsd-related drugs that fit on a blotter that have VERY similare effects, and they are an easier synth too. Like a shortcut".--(((I said)))

No one was saying your mad hatters are not good or great.

LSD has spiritual value is all. If you dont feel that way, then its shitty acid or you are not the type of person who can find the same kind of respect for the drug, the same respect that many others have for it. If you dont like it when you compare it to shrooms, even if you say that to make a point, it really doesnt matter. LSd is one of the best, spiritual or not.


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Re: I see very little spiritual value in LSD [Re: stemmer]
    #5362708 - 03/03/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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