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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: rockytop83]
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yeah but that doesnt make your house pets or wild animals used to take drugs every day, that only makes lab rats and such used to test drugs.

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: shriek]
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Some of us were just defending suzo because a lot of people said really mean and harsh things to him when he was merely asking a question. We don't condone experimenting on animals outside of a laboratory, but it isn't a crime to ask a simple question. Suzo just didn't know any better, that's all.


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: rockytop83]
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You're a moron.


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: Twirling]
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Yeah - catnip is a riot. Mine really acts freaky and gets totally strung out on it. After he comes down, he follows me around as if he wants another bump. That's kinda what got me thinking about a cat on shrooms. Anyway, we (and the cat) can all rest assured that I'm not going to do that now.


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Edited by jimsuzo (03/31/04 07:47 PM)

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: Le_Canard]
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Sorry if I was one of those who sounded harsh!



No worries, dude. Your friend's dog sounds like a sad story - that's certainly worth getting a bit emotional over. It would really bum me out if I fucked up my cat's head like that. I'm not dosing my cat - not only because of all the negative feedback I had from you shroomers, but also because my wife has weighed in with her firm opinion - she says no f-in way am I dosing her cat. That pretty much seals it. Thanks for sharing your insight.


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: jimsuzo]
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If you search around the search engine her you can read the story of the dude who , along with his friend, fed the lions at the Portland, Oregon zoo LSD and later find that the two of them were teasing the lions and throwing rocks at the lions after feeding them acid in meat from their mom's freezer. One of them fell into the lion's den and was swiftly and brutally, as well as saveagely eaten alive.

The kid spent several years at Damisch, The state mental hospital where they filmed Ken Keysey's One flew over the CooCoo's Nest.

I knew this person.

Another Seattlite named Bob in the late 1970s Fed his Afghan hound four hits of acid and the dog would not stop barking at the table legs. WHile he himself was also high on this acid, he beat his dog to death. Neighbors in his Capital Hill apartment heard the commotion and called the cops. THE SPCA and the State of Washington charged him with animal cruelty and he did time for that act.

Please do not give animals psychedelics.

While it is true that some animals seek out psychedelic plants and mushrooms, dogs and cats do not. They have different metabolisms and are not attracted to these plants.

While cats and dogs may eat grass when ill, they do not generally eat shrooms such as deers do or squirrels do with Amanita mushrooms. And the slugs love them as well as psilocybe shrooms. There is a book out called Animals and Psychedelics.

One year in the late 1970s while I was in Jacksonville F;lorida, my wife and I met this kid who we watched tried to feed chunks of Chlorophyllum molybdites (Green gills) to a duck. The duck would pick the chunk up in his beak and then spit it to the ground. At the same time he fed the duck pieces of bread which the duck would pick up and taste and then swallow.
He did this over a period of about twnety minutes and each time the duck refused to swallow the chuncks of the mushrooms by spitting them out without swallowing them. The duck knew this was not for eating for him.

Again. I hope some here take heed of this situation.

mj

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: mjshroomer]
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There we go, animals will eat what they feel is right. Acid in paper form could easily get eaten by a dog because its so easy and small and dogs will chew on anything, but on the other hand paper is not even recognized as food by dogs and they will probably just lick it for the fuck of it with no knowledge of the voyage they're about to bound.

If cats and dogs dont take liking into eating mushrooms, they wont and there shouldnt be any reason to force them to either.


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: mjshroomer]
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If he says "I'm not going to, I was just wondering" one thousand more times, will it sink in, mj?


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: valour]
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I still find it hard to believe that you people will go and eat cows, pigs, chickens, ALL DAY like it is NOTHING, THEN COMPLAIN ABOUT THE SUFFERING OF A SHROOMIN CAT.


UNBELIEVABLE FUCKING HYPOCRITES!!!!!


IF YOU ATE AT WENDYS, BK, MCDonalds, (or for that matter any piece of meat that you didnt kill yourself) in the last week you are more guilty of tortureous crimes against animals than someone who gives thier cat shrooms. Dont act like you care, cause if you eat meat you dont give a shit. End of discussion.

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: Scolecite]
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Scolecite, you need to consider a prescription of Xanax.


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: valour]
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Valour said
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Scolecite, you need to consider a prescription of Xanax


I will second that and carry the motion.

mj

Cows, chickens, etc, fish are bred for eating. Cats and dogs are domesticated pets. Not for eating, unless you live in Korea, etc.

mj

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: mjshroomer]
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Well, mj, I guess some people just can't conceive of things having different functions.

"If you don't go to see all movies, you're a hypocrite if you only go to see one!"
:wink:


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: mjshroomer]
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mjshroomer said:
Valour said
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Scolecite, you need to consider a prescription of Xanax


I will second that and carry the motion.

mj

Cows, chickens, etc, fish are bred for eating. Cats and dogs are domesticated pets. Not for eating, unless you live in Korea, etc.

mj



What your saying is that all animals are not created equal. So by your standard of thinking I can "raise" my kids for eating too, and that will make it ok right?

The cows didnt choose to be eaten, thats your reality you choose to live in to be comfortable with how you treat them.

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: Scolecite]
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Take a basic logic course and call us back later. Thanks.


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: Scolecite]
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Scolecite said:
I still find it hard to believe that you people will go and eat cows, pigs, chickens, ALL DAY like it is NOTHING, THEN COMPLAIN ABOUT THE SUFFERING OF A SHROOMIN CAT.



yea i complain when people wants to hurt animals i find it very odd that some finds pleasure in that but i dont eat meat either. why would i eat anything that needs spice, sauce and stuff like that to taste well , and no that i also love animals is not the reason i dont eat meat, meat is just nasty.

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: valour]
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valour said:
Take a basic logic course and call us back later. Thanks.


Im sorry explain your logic, becuase you havent even said anything productive yet.

Things(animals) have different functions? Um no, all animals have the same function, life. They all can be eaten, just like in China where they eat dogs like its no thing. You need to take a world history course.

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: Scolecite]
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But they have a different relationship to us based upon our culture.
Calling it all "the same function, life" is generalization without cause -- a pet is attributed certain qualities of attachment and relationship that food animals are not.
You have different reactions to different people based on your relative attachments.
You react differently to complete strangers than you do to members of your own family, or your friends, of which I'm sure you've acquired many, considering your attitude.

Additionally, involuntarily use of hallucinogens on animals(for which one supposedly cares) that would not be able to understand what they are experiencing is most likely to be torturous, versus the utility of food, which has been done as a point of existence for as long as humans and animals have been eating, they've been eating other animals. So deal with it.

So, ok, thanks for playing. We have some nice parting gifts for you.


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: valour]
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I guess calling Valour condescending asshole would be flaming, so I won't do that.

You are basing your argument on the assumption that "culture" should be the ultimate determining factor in morals. Sure, if that is the case, then you are 100% right on, but that's a subjective opinion. Just because you are a sheep, and you know it, doesn't prove you right. You say a pet is "attributed certain qualities of attachment and relationship that food animals are not." That's a completely arbitrary and culturally biased judgement, as made obvious by the dogs/Korea example. Scolecite obviously has different attachments to animals than you do (unless he's simply playing devil's advocate). Given a wild boar (mmm bacon!) and a feral cat, which is more deserving of life? Neither are raised as a pet or food. So why does the moral division suddenly enter the argument when your "uses" of these animals do? It's circular logic: "we have a different attachment to cats, so it's not ok to hurt cats because we use them as pets, because we have a different attachment to them...." The analogy of raising human children for eating doesn't fail the test of logic, but any argument is easy to dismiss if you refuse to even face it head-on.

Now, I'm not advocating dosing a cat (or any animal). I'm against that. But I have to agree that uproar over dosing an animal does seem pretty hypocritical from the lips of a meat-eating majority.

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: jimsuzo]
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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: TurnpikeGates]
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*shrug* I was meeting him on his ground, so yes, I was being condescending. It's not flaming for you to call me condescending in this sense, because it was my intent.
Asshole, on the other hand, is more of a statement on being, and since you don't know me --- even on the shroomery -- I'll chalk it up to inexperience and leave it at that. You have to start somewhere.

On to the topic...
OF COURSE IT'S SUBJECTIVE.
That was my whole point.
Scatolomite came in pointing his finger, so it seemed fitting to cut it off. He injected his subjective opinion as if it was Gospel Truth and what did he expect? Roses?

So I'll ask you, since you only insulted me without reason once:
would you consider killing an animal for food different than torturing it slowly?

Hypocritical means "claming beliefs one does not actually hold."
People are saying they don't believe in dosing animals, therefore they don't.
They did not say "I believe any harm to any animal is wrong in all cases" or even "I believe eating animals is wrong."
Therefore, hypocrisy is not at work here.


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I bought in."

Edited by valour (04/01/04 11:23 PM)

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