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Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II
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Wow - this topic was far more sensitive than I thought it would be.

Cats and shrooms

I only said I was considering it for crying out loud. For those concerned, the cat/shroom experiment is not going to happen. Not that it's any excuse, but my only defense is that I let my curiosity get in the way of clearly thinking it through (that plus I was still kind buzzed from the weekend).

Thanks to those of you that were polite and reasonable in explaining why you felt it was wrong for me to dose the cat - you're the ones that convinced me not to do it. Others of you weren't quite as nice - I think you guys need to chill out. This is the pub, isn't it?


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: jimsuzo]
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Who are you adressing it to. I tried to stop the discussion before it got out of hand, but in anycase there are more than one opinion, that'll just be that, and thats the way its going to be, doesnt need to be made a fight out of. Oh and by the way, I'm stoned out of my ass!


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: jimsuzo]
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no man! leave the cats alone.


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: filthysock]
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You were cool about it - or at least I don't recall you threatening to kick my ass like one of those guys did. I just threw the original idea out there as a 'what if' - I was honestly unsure if cats (or anything other than a primate) has a brain advanced enough to trip. It sounds like from some of the responses that they do indeed. In any case, I'd not have offered the issue up for discussion if I thought for a moment that it would result in that level of hostility.


Peace -

J


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: FatVsAsia]
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no man! leave the cats alone.



Dude - read my post very slooowwwllyy. Try reading - every - sentence . See the one that says:

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For those concerned, the cat/shroom experiment is not going to happen.



That means that I'm leaving the cat alone. But my cat thanks you for your continued vigilance.


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: jimsuzo]
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jimsuzo said: 
That means that I'm leaving the cat alone. But my cat thanks you for your continued vigilance.


:lol:!!

Well I'd just say this, I wouldn't reccomend the shrooms, just cause its hard to get the dose right and I'd be worried about giving the kitty too much, and if the experiment goes wrong and the cat doesn't like it then they're stuck in hell for hours.  I don't know, maybe you have some thorazine on hand to bring it back if it freaks out? 

Wanna have some fun with your cat?  Does your cat like getting in boxes like mine does?  Get out a box, close him/her in there and clam bake it.  I know the concept of getting a pet high is nothing new to these boards, but I just love posting it as an alternative to trippin them.  Its just a *little bit* less inhumane. :smile:


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: jimsuzo]
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here is an intresting experiment tho

how about feedin your cat some cp :grin:

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: jimsuzo]
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dude, if I could give you 5 shrooms again i would.

I think its incredibly lame that all those people gave you 1 shroom just for thinking out loud about something most people have thought about.

fucking judgemental ass hippies. get a life!

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: jimsuzo]
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My general view is that my cat is probably in that state already 24/7.


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: jimsuzo]
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Yah, don't worry about it. I think a lot of people just got carried away in a self-righteous PETA-induced fervor. It's not a good idea to experiment on kitty, unless you have a lab...then its ok...somehow..


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: jimsuzo]
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don't worry about it, it was just a thought that you posted after all.

And yes this is the pub

thats why I locked the first thread for excessive flaming.


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: jimsuzo]
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I like to get my cat high, but using catnip. My one cat drools all over the floor when given some. It's pretty funny.


2nd hand marijuana smoke is debatable as to whether it's bad or not. Anything harder is an absolute no. I just pet them, they seem to really enjoy that.

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: jimsuzo]
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FOR gods sake you people are eating cows, chickns, pigs, and tons of other crap and your worried about giving a cat mushrooms? It wont even affect them, they are in that state naturally.

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: Scolecite]
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what are you, an animal neurologist?

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: jimsuzo]
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Sorry if I was one of those who sounded harsh! :frown: It's just that I witnessed a former friend give his dog some acid, and the poor beast went through hell! Prior to that, he was a friendly and (I assume) happy dog, but afterwards, he acted like he was always scared and would sit in the corner and whine. And he did this long after the acid should have worn off. Ever since, I've been adamant against dosing animals - their brains and biochemistry aren't like ours, and drugs can have some pretty drastic (and sometimes fatal) effects.

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: jimsuzo]
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Giving any kinda psychoactive drug to an animal is sick.
And anyone who does so deserves to be locked up for harming an animal.

How would you like to s have someone give your little sister or brother an experimental drug. IT has happened and people have gone to jail for doing it.

And if you arwe not in school studying these compounds than youi have no legitimate reason in your brain for giving a drug to an animal for any reason whatsoever.

mj
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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: mjshroomer]
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Topics not to be discussed!!

Religion
Politics
Animals and drugs


New pub rules????

It's all been said before....


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: nofind_um]
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Its an animal. animals are used to test drugs everyday, get over it. Maybe its because he used 'cat' and your all cat lovers, would it be better to do this experiment with a rat? I personally dont care, just dont dose MY cat.

ps... i hate PETA


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: rockytop83]
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how is animals used to test drugs everyday ? and no i dont think you should do home experiments with rats, rats are cool as hell.

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: shriek]
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How are animals used to test drugs?

Large numbers of animals are experimented on, both to discover effective drugs and to test any that may be useful. Currently drugs, by law, still have to be tested on animals before they can go on to clinical trials.


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: rockytop83]
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yeah but that doesnt make your house pets or wild animals used to take drugs every day, that only makes lab rats and such used to test drugs.

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: shriek]
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Some of us were just defending suzo because a lot of people said really mean and harsh things to him when he was merely asking a question. We don't condone experimenting on animals outside of a laboratory, but it isn't a crime to ask a simple question. Suzo just didn't know any better, that's all.


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: rockytop83]
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You're a moron.


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: Twirling]
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Yeah - catnip is a riot. Mine really acts freaky and gets totally strung out on it. After he comes down, he follows me around as if he wants another bump. That's kinda what got me thinking about a cat on shrooms. Anyway, we (and the cat) can all rest assured that I'm not going to do that now.


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Edited by jimsuzo (03/31/04 07:47 PM)

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: Le_Canard]
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Sorry if I was one of those who sounded harsh!



No worries, dude. Your friend's dog sounds like a sad story - that's certainly worth getting a bit emotional over. It would really bum me out if I fucked up my cat's head like that. I'm not dosing my cat - not only because of all the negative feedback I had from you shroomers, but also because my wife has weighed in with her firm opinion - she says no f-in way am I dosing her cat. That pretty much seals it. Thanks for sharing your insight.


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: jimsuzo]
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If you search around the search engine her you can read the story of the dude who , along with his friend, fed the lions at the Portland, Oregon zoo LSD and later find that the two of them were teasing the lions and throwing rocks at the lions after feeding them acid in meat from their mom's freezer. One of them fell into the lion's den and was swiftly and brutally, as well as saveagely eaten alive.

The kid spent several years at Damisch, The state mental hospital where they filmed Ken Keysey's One flew over the CooCoo's Nest.

I knew this person.

Another Seattlite named Bob in the late 1970s Fed his Afghan hound four hits of acid and the dog would not stop barking at the table legs. WHile he himself was also high on this acid, he beat his dog to death. Neighbors in his Capital Hill apartment heard the commotion and called the cops. THE SPCA and the State of Washington charged him with animal cruelty and he did time for that act.

Please do not give animals psychedelics.

While it is true that some animals seek out psychedelic plants and mushrooms, dogs and cats do not. They have different metabolisms and are not attracted to these plants.

While cats and dogs may eat grass when ill, they do not generally eat shrooms such as deers do or squirrels do with Amanita mushrooms. And the slugs love them as well as psilocybe shrooms. There is a book out called Animals and Psychedelics.

One year in the late 1970s while I was in Jacksonville F;lorida, my wife and I met this kid who we watched tried to feed chunks of Chlorophyllum molybdites (Green gills) to a duck. The duck would pick the chunk up in his beak and then spit it to the ground. At the same time he fed the duck pieces of bread which the duck would pick up and taste and then swallow.
He did this over a period of about twnety minutes and each time the duck refused to swallow the chuncks of the mushrooms by spitting them out without swallowing them. The duck knew this was not for eating for him.

Again. I hope some here take heed of this situation.

mj

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: mjshroomer]
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There we go, animals will eat what they feel is right. Acid in paper form could easily get eaten by a dog because its so easy and small and dogs will chew on anything, but on the other hand paper is not even recognized as food by dogs and they will probably just lick it for the fuck of it with no knowledge of the voyage they're about to bound.

If cats and dogs dont take liking into eating mushrooms, they wont and there shouldnt be any reason to force them to either.


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: mjshroomer]
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If he says "I'm not going to, I was just wondering" one thousand more times, will it sink in, mj?


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: valour]
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I still find it hard to believe that you people will go and eat cows, pigs, chickens, ALL DAY like it is NOTHING, THEN COMPLAIN ABOUT THE SUFFERING OF A SHROOMIN CAT.


UNBELIEVABLE FUCKING HYPOCRITES!!!!!


IF YOU ATE AT WENDYS, BK, MCDonalds, (or for that matter any piece of meat that you didnt kill yourself) in the last week you are more guilty of tortureous crimes against animals than someone who gives thier cat shrooms. Dont act like you care, cause if you eat meat you dont give a shit. End of discussion.

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: Scolecite]
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Scolecite, you need to consider a prescription of Xanax.


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: valour]
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Valour said
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Scolecite, you need to consider a prescription of Xanax


I will second that and carry the motion.

mj

Cows, chickens, etc, fish are bred for eating. Cats and dogs are domesticated pets. Not for eating, unless you live in Korea, etc.

mj

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: mjshroomer]
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Well, mj, I guess some people just can't conceive of things having different functions.

"If you don't go to see all movies, you're a hypocrite if you only go to see one!"
:wink:


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: mjshroomer]
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mjshroomer said:
Valour said
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Scolecite, you need to consider a prescription of Xanax


I will second that and carry the motion.

mj

Cows, chickens, etc, fish are bred for eating. Cats and dogs are domesticated pets. Not for eating, unless you live in Korea, etc.

mj



What your saying is that all animals are not created equal. So by your standard of thinking I can "raise" my kids for eating too, and that will make it ok right?

The cows didnt choose to be eaten, thats your reality you choose to live in to be comfortable with how you treat them.

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: Scolecite]
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Take a basic logic course and call us back later. Thanks.


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: Scolecite]
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Scolecite said:
I still find it hard to believe that you people will go and eat cows, pigs, chickens, ALL DAY like it is NOTHING, THEN COMPLAIN ABOUT THE SUFFERING OF A SHROOMIN CAT.



yea i complain when people wants to hurt animals i find it very odd that some finds pleasure in that but i dont eat meat either. why would i eat anything that needs spice, sauce and stuff like that to taste well , and no that i also love animals is not the reason i dont eat meat, meat is just nasty.

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: valour]
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valour said:
Take a basic logic course and call us back later. Thanks.


Im sorry explain your logic, becuase you havent even said anything productive yet.

Things(animals) have different functions? Um no, all animals have the same function, life. They all can be eaten, just like in China where they eat dogs like its no thing. You need to take a world history course.

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: Scolecite]
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But they have a different relationship to us based upon our culture.
Calling it all "the same function, life" is generalization without cause -- a pet is attributed certain qualities of attachment and relationship that food animals are not.
You have different reactions to different people based on your relative attachments.
You react differently to complete strangers than you do to members of your own family, or your friends, of which I'm sure you've acquired many, considering your attitude.

Additionally, involuntarily use of hallucinogens on animals(for which one supposedly cares) that would not be able to understand what they are experiencing is most likely to be torturous, versus the utility of food, which has been done as a point of existence for as long as humans and animals have been eating, they've been eating other animals. So deal with it.

So, ok, thanks for playing. We have some nice parting gifts for you.


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: valour]
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I guess calling Valour condescending asshole would be flaming, so I won't do that.

You are basing your argument on the assumption that "culture" should be the ultimate determining factor in morals. Sure, if that is the case, then you are 100% right on, but that's a subjective opinion. Just because you are a sheep, and you know it, doesn't prove you right. You say a pet is "attributed certain qualities of attachment and relationship that food animals are not." That's a completely arbitrary and culturally biased judgement, as made obvious by the dogs/Korea example. Scolecite obviously has different attachments to animals than you do (unless he's simply playing devil's advocate). Given a wild boar (mmm bacon!) and a feral cat, which is more deserving of life? Neither are raised as a pet or food. So why does the moral division suddenly enter the argument when your "uses" of these animals do? It's circular logic: "we have a different attachment to cats, so it's not ok to hurt cats because we use them as pets, because we have a different attachment to them...." The analogy of raising human children for eating doesn't fail the test of logic, but any argument is easy to dismiss if you refuse to even face it head-on.

Now, I'm not advocating dosing a cat (or any animal). I'm against that. But I have to agree that uproar over dosing an animal does seem pretty hypocritical from the lips of a meat-eating majority.

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: jimsuzo]
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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: TurnpikeGates]
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*shrug* I was meeting him on his ground, so yes, I was being condescending. It's not flaming for you to call me condescending in this sense, because it was my intent.
Asshole, on the other hand, is more of a statement on being, and since you don't know me --- even on the shroomery -- I'll chalk it up to inexperience and leave it at that. You have to start somewhere.

On to the topic...
OF COURSE IT'S SUBJECTIVE.
That was my whole point.
Scatolomite came in pointing his finger, so it seemed fitting to cut it off. He injected his subjective opinion as if it was Gospel Truth and what did he expect? Roses?

So I'll ask you, since you only insulted me without reason once:
would you consider killing an animal for food different than torturing it slowly?

Hypocritical means "claming beliefs one does not actually hold."
People are saying they don't believe in dosing animals, therefore they don't.
They did not say "I believe any harm to any animal is wrong in all cases" or even "I believe eating animals is wrong."
Therefore, hypocrisy is not at work here.


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: valour]
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Valour what your missing is that you can have a PET ANYTHING. LOOK at Michael Jackson, he has monkeys, llamas, and untill recently we never used, IGUANAS as pets, or PIGS, or lots of little girls and boys around the farms have pet chickens, horses, ect.

Christ we even had a pet rock in the 60's. Again the rock never changed just peoples perception on who or what deserves our love did.

Oh, an my finger seems to be going right thru your eye socket. Cause your lookin pretty bad right about now.

Heres the things your SUBJECTIVE friends are saying:

"Giving any kinda psychoactive drug to an animal is sick.
And anyone who does so deserves to be locked up for harming an animal."
--- Ok what about TORTURING, then EATING THEM, THATS OK RIGHT?

"Cows, chickens, etc, fish are bred for eating. Cats and dogs are domesticated pets."   
---- Um starting tomorrow Im going to start a family and breed my own children for eating. Well not all of them for eating, just half of them, they will have different 'functions' :smile: Then its ok right? I mean this is the logic your using. Thats my SUBJECTIVE choice right, and thats ok by your LOGIC.

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: valour]
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Shit. I wrote out a fairly lengthy reply, and it somehow didn't get posted. I'm not going to re-write it, but I'll summarize.

I apologize for calling you an asshole (indirectly)... you're right, I'm not qualified to make that judgement.

If I'm reading you correctly, your main issue is the misuse of the word "hypocrisy." It's true. That's not the right word. How about "inconsistency of belief."

As for your question... without context, sure, I think torturing an animal is worse than killing it for food. Unfortunately, eating meat implies (I talked a lot about the assumptions I was making in my argument in the post that didn't show up) that you get it from a source that treated the animal you're eating inhumanely and that you don't need meat in your diet to survive, which is true for most people. Therefore, eating meat and condemning cat-tripping is inconsistent UNLESS you fall back on the hardly supportable idea that certain animals are either innately more/less deserving of life and well-being than others... or that the purpose humans use them for defines their right to life and well-being. So it's either inconsistent on the one hand, or backed by an absurd (yes, my subjective view) level of anthropocentrism on the other. Neither of which are hypocrisy, sure, but equally contemptible.

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: TurnpikeGates]
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A head of lettuce or cabbage or a tomato has just as much meat to it as a cow or chicken, except it too also cannot scream when you rip its nerves from the ground, thus killing it. YEs plants feel pain also and ripping a plant form the ground is cruel and usual punnishment for the plant.

IT too has feelings. IT has texture, and it is just as alive as a cow or a chicken. Anything that reproduces has the intelligence to reproduce so it can actually think. If it can think then it has feelings.

mj

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: mjshroomer]
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no actually plants wants to be harvested and used :smile: they told  me that on a lsd\mecaline trip

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: mjshroomer]
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mjshroomer said:
A head of lettuce or cabbage or a tomato has just as much meat to it as a cow or chicken, except it too also cannot scream when you rip its nerves from the ground, thus killing it. YEs plants feel pain also and ripping a plant form the ground is cruel and usual punnishment for the plant.



IT too has feelings. IT has texture, and it is just as alive as a cow or a chicken. Anything that reproduces has the intelligence to reproduce so it can actually think. If it can think then it has feelings.





No actually the plants want to to eat them becuase thats where the seeds are. If the tomatos dont get eaten then how is it going to deposit its seeds elsewhere? Have you even thought that thru??? When was the last time you could relate to a tomato in anyway shape or form??? We have to eat SOMTHING for gods sake!!! But humans have a choice. Its time we choose the lesser of two evils. If you can live off of rain water and sun then go ahead but for the rest of us it Vegetables. What about an apple or most nuts, you dont hurt the tree at all, you just consume the fruit (in otherwords you can eat all the apples, peanuts, ect you want the tree still lives)..., oh but I guess thats wrong too based on your logic.

Mjshroomer your response is nothing more than a last ditch attempt to validate your argument.

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: mjshroomer]
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Intelligence is not a neccessary condition for reproduction; faulty logic. Anyways, this thread is waaaay out of control especially for the pub. Can we get a lockdown please?


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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: Scolecite]
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When was the last time you could relate to a tomato in anyway shape or form???


Well I talked to one of my three tomatos yesterday while I was preparing a salad.

I said, "Well, looks like I got to share you witht he avacado today Mist3er Tomato."

"Aren't you the juicy one."

"And look, there is your cousin the Radish being sliced and diced. You don't mind sharing the bowl with the Onion, do you?"

Anyway. Tomatos fall to the ground. Do they seed. WHo knowns. Selective breeding in the toimato family is cool.

mj

hehehehehe.

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: mjshroomer]
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MJ: If the decision not to eat animals was based solely on the fact that they were alive, your criticism would be valid as such. I don't think that's anyone's criteria. Saying that plants "think" and "feel pain" is an interesting argument, since that comes closer to the reason that I (and many other vegetarians/vegans) don't eat meat, but pretty pointless without backing it up scientifically or philosophically. I realize you're just poking fun, but if you think that's a legitimate argument, I would be interested in hearing what you have to say about it.

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: bert]
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Bert: what's so "out of control" about a rapidly evolving discussion? the fact that it strayed from the topic? the fact that it's not light-hearted and jolly, yet it's in The Pub? I think locking it would be rash. It's not a flame war, it's not causing any problem for those who choose not to participate...

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Re: Cats and Shrooms: An experiment Part II [Re: TurnpikeGates]
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Yah, you're right. There was some flaming going on earlier though and a lot of it was directed at suzo, it just seemed very 'un-publike' to me. The thread is mostly dead anyways.


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