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Re: life after death would you would could you could. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Part 2 of my afterlife question for ya'll

If you could choose between no afterlife and an afterlife which would  you choose and why?



I feel like no afterlife is the safer bet.  It seems no different than a deep, dreamless sleep.  That said, the afterlife could be great.  One big merger with the Uverse, like some of my psychedelic experiences.  I'm a little more concerned about living at the moment... I want to feel relaxed, safe, high, intelligent, raunchy, hilarious..  I can't stand the feeling of the same shit, different day when life sometimes if's full of myriads of positive impressions.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: life after death would you would could you could. [Re: CosmicJoke]
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Hey we're back on topic. Amazing.  :laugh:

That's kind of how I feel now too. Too risky is an afterlife that could turn out to be more of this. The most I can do is to make the best of this until I find out the rest. Of course if this matrix is just a game we are playing and you can choose better ones then that would be cool wouldn't it. I'm not convinced by the evidence however. It could certainly be a matrix or simulation but some silly kid is the likely creator. The Demiurge is 6 years old and loves to pull the wings off of flies. :lol:  Anything's possible and I don't pay no mind to those who claim they know but cannot show how they know.

and

Unfortunately imo for most of humanity we've created a culture where we are sort of encouraged to just do the same things day after day. Modernity and a material world can bury you in  paperwork and chores and meaningless rinse and repeat. Keeps us in check and controllable I guess. All those hippies of the 60s that were going to be forever living on communes and bringing about the new freer  reality have left the earth in dire straights with rampant consumerism and greed and have basically done what their parents did and they've taught their kids to follow suit. 

Psychedelics are illegal and booze and antidepressants. are just dandy for everyone. And that's  a "free" country.  That pretty much sums it  up. Not my kind of place. But for those who think this is all just dandy good for them, they can have it with my blessing. 


Yeah I'll gladly slip into the void. That's likely how it will go anyway.  I'm agnostic about an afterlife. There's a lot of people here who know exactly what coming. According to them that is. I'm ready to be surprised.

Edited by Icelander (01/24/18 08:51 PM)

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Re: life after death would you would could you could. [Re: Icelander]
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No life after death or milking this one for all it is worth. Have experiences...fade and die...soon to be forgotten.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: life after death would you would could you could. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
No life after death or milking this one for all it is worth. Have experiences...fade and die...soon to be forgotten.



Yeah likely so but you and I don't know that for a certainty. What a hoot to find Don Juan and your favorite dog waiting for ya ready for a voyage into Salvia land.  OR... a soul trap and a reincarnation right back into the matrix to be born as a slave in the future dystopia.  It's a crap shoot imo. My motto is be ready for anything and expect to have to fight your way out. :lol:

Nice to see you here Hue. I still remember that fucking thread where we met and duked it out on opposite sides. Who was that guy who started that thread? He had a cool name.  Shit that was over 12 years ago I think. He was a troublemaker just like me. Always bringing up taboo subjects.  I liked him but boy did the haters hate on him. I think he even got death threats.

  I remember you talking about taking a shotgun to someone having sex with your daughter :lol: (Yeah that's it, it was about, pedophelia and what actually was the meaning and age of consent).  You were just kidding though right about that gun. :wink:

Those were fun times and a great crowd posting back then. Remember Sinbad? I've always wondered what became of him. He was a Buddhist I could relate to.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (01/24/18 09:06 PM)

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Re: life after death would you would could you could. [Re: Icelander]
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The only afterlife that is mildly appealing to me is one where every moment or day or whatever is new. Even then most versions of the afterlife have no real meaning and are mostly selfish iterations of paradise. The one thing life has going for it is that each moment could be your last, even with repetition there is this underlying chaos you're hoping to control or conquer.

Metaphysically speaking, one could argue it's better to never have existed in the first place. Would the world be a lesser or better place without you? Impossible to say since we aren't omnipotent. Throw everyone in the non-existence basket and you're left with nothing, which definitely makes things less interesting. The randomness of our existence brings a weird order to the universe, probably what makes an afterlife an attractive belief rather than an attractive idea. 

My belief is we reject paradise or an eternal afterlife for life, at least I know I do.


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"I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay… small acts of kindness and love.” - Gandalf The Grey.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

"I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes!

"Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous

"Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."

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Re: life after death would you would could you could. [Re: LRG] * 1
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LRG said:
The only afterlife that is mildly appealing to me is one where every moment or day or whatever is new. Even then most versions of the afterlife have no real meaning and are mostly selfish iterations of paradise.



Yeah good point. I also want newness. OK I'm almost 65. You know how many times I've had to brush my teeth  and all those other little things that take up so much of the day? It's definitely gotten old. Even movies, books, even music and shit. I'm ready for something completely new.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: life after death would you would could you could. [Re: Icelander]
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Well my favorite dog I got right beside me now...don't need a dead one...and this Carlos is too old to listen to don Juan.

I remember that guy...the gay Muslim...Zahid...later changed to zahudulallah...who made it or something like that. That post was one of the greats. This One
I complemented him on the quality of his post at the end but he just gave me a 1 star rating which he has since removed. Just after that thread my kid got in a little trouble for having sex with a minor (he was 20 and she was 16)...lol. The authorities declined to jail him....so much for my influence. We had a lot of fun that weekend.

Sinbad packed his shit and moved on like everyone else but us lamers.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

Edited by Huehuecoyotl (01/24/18 09:59 PM)

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Re: life after death would you would could you could. [Re: Icelander]
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Come on man. If you were diligent you only brushed your teeth 71,175 times. That toothbrush got a few miles left yet.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: life after death would you would could you could. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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I'm going to quit doing it. I only have one tooth left anyway.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: life after death would you would could you could. [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
Well my favorite dog I got right beside me now...don't need a dead one...and this Carlos is too old to listen to don Juan.

I remember that guy...the gay Muslim...Zahid...later changed to zahudulallah...who made it or something like that. That post was one of the greats. This One
I complemented him on the quality of his post at the end but he just gave me a 1 star rating which he has since removed. Just after that thread my kid got in a little trouble for having sex with a minor (he was 20 and she was 16)...lol. The authorities declined to jail him....so much for my influence. We had a lot of fun that weekend.

Sinbad packed his shit and moved on like everyone else but us lamers.


Hey thanks for that link. I want to see what my lame posts looked like back when I was a nube. That was an epic thread.

Edit: Shit that thread went 17 pages. :nicesmile:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (01/25/18 12:17 AM)

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Re: Circular reasoning raises more questions. [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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Duncan Rowhl said:
Icelander said:
Yeah I know. YOU got the warning not I. :nicesmile:


I received no warning.

I had it brought to my attention and they are as bewildered as I.


:



Yeah I know, and you didn't just get an 8 day ban either.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Circular reasoning raises more questions. [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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Duncan Rowhl said:
you’re only at war with yourself and this is the ongoing, fundamental point. :thumbup:


This is the same argument you always resort to when faced with someone who disagrees with the judgements you are making of them.

One could argue that every human wars with themselves from time to time.

Low hanging fruit, indeed.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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life after death or horse before the cart. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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I am not sure why this topic degenerated so badly, but philosophy can branch into either the more strongly evidenced based observations, or into speculations that reach beyond the last shreds of evidence.

As long as some life exists, a person may lay down breadcrumbs of some sort or other that may be followed by others.

I think we covered the fact that some patients (and others) have had NDE's and have reported their stories.

Those who love evidence based reasoning are able to follow the breadcrumbs (NDE reports) and map the reports into some version of lucid dreaming, while those who love conjecture are able to use these stories as indicative (if not proof) that an afterlife exists and we need to unravel all we can from these reports as death affects everyone.

The motivation to focus on NDE's, when bound to the universality of death applying to all of us here and yet to be born, is truly noble, but it does not tolerate the obvious similarity of all NDE's to dream sequences, and the lack of any patterns that transcend local and personal cultural conditioning of the individual reporting the NDE.

Using "death" as leverage to make the study of NDE's more important than dreams in general seems unfair to me. Death is natural, as the ending of a life term. It need not be scary, especially since it is as natural as anything else in life. It need not be so important since it consumes such a small fraction of time compared to all the time we spend living, loving, eating, day dreaming etc.

Why is is so scary to some people that all things are measured against death and found wanting?


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Re: life after death or horse before the cart. [Re: redgreenvines]
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death is an experience

it is not more important than lucid dreaming
or dreaming for that matter

it is all a dream


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Make love not war
And art
Save the planet
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Re: life after death or horse before the cart. [Re: redgreenvines]
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Maybe, if there is an afterlife then it might be totally different than that what we assume, or a mixture of what we could imagine, or both and still 'real', just like a higher dimension, with a absolute logic, and when we are here on earth we only experience shadows which it casts onto the material plane.

As I was young it made total sense, that only here incarnated we could change our ranking on the good-evil ladder which is a mark of expression of our self and also matters in the afterlife, where it is much harder to change.

But this surely belongs in the mystic forum.

Edited by BlueCoyote (01/26/18 09:49 AM)

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Re: life after death or horse before the cart. [Re: BlueCoyote]
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I think an afterlife's structure/nature could be up to the person who get's there
so it might be a gnome world, since that is what we would chose (maybe)


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Make love not war
And art
Save the planet
Fix the earth

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Re: life after death or horse before the cart. [Re: Ferdinando]
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but it might be limitless (in structure, form, sense (sensory)), since it might be eternal, and since it maybe could be up to us what it is
so if the person has ultimate sanity
or is awakened
or something else
he could chose the perfect existence (maybe)


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Make love not war
And art
Save the planet
Fix the earth

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Re: life after death or horse before the cart. [Re: Ferdinando]
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with a flat earth mentality, you can fall off the edge forever


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Re: Circular reasoning raises more questions. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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With the evident keenness of some to return to the topic, avoiding 'personal posts', your post achieves the contrary but I'll give you the respect of reply:

Jokeshopbeard said:
Duncan Rowhl said:
you’re only at war with yourself and this is the ongoing, fundamental point. :thumbup:


This is the same argument you always resort to when faced with someone who disagrees with the judgements you are making of them.


It is the point I raise when I see people projecting ongoing angst in topics which should otherwise provoke mutual, calm discussion.

Quote:
One could argue that every human wars with themselves from time to time.




The last time I brought it up with you, you were projecting violence through threats to someone who disagreed with you, in the midst of other negative and violent posts.

Hence, it’s important how we manage our inner wars rather than using the same excuse for projecting them. :thumbup:

Edited by Duncan Rowhl (01/30/18 08:21 AM)

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Re: Circular reasoning raises more questions. [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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Let it go, don't attack the poster, discuss the subject.  This is a warning, seems your bans did little use.  This thread was deleted, it's time for it to be locked.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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