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Invisiblepsilocybong
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POTENCY... when to harvest?
    #2448633 - 03/18/04 08:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

When is the best time to harvest. PFtek says it's best to harvest before the caps are fully open in order to maximize potency of the mushroom, but judging by most of the picture on the internet it seems as though most of you are harvesting when the mushrooms are fully matured... which way is the right way? Also, does anyone have any idea why a mature mushroom is supposedly less potent?


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Re: POTENCY... when to harvest? [Re: psilocybong]
    #2448657 - 03/18/04 09:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

nothing says mature mushrooms are less potent, just someone started it and it has continued on. a 3g fully matured shroom is gonna be just as potent as 3g shroom with it's veil just tearing.


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Re: POTENCY... when to harvest? [Re: John]
    #2448807 - 03/18/04 09:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The reasoning behind people implying that mushrooms should be picked before they mature is because each mushroom can only produce so much psychoactive chemicals, and when it reaches a certain size it stops producing psylocin and psylobin. Logically then, people pick them earlier because it's most efficient. That way the organism retains its nutrients that would otherwise be devoted to a larger mushroom, and can create more smaller ones in turn. As to why some people let their mushrooms grow so large, well that might have to do with bragging rights, or in some cases people sell their mushrooms. The larger the heavier, and typically mushrooms are sold by their net weight and not by their net psychoactive chemical composition.

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Re: POTENCY... when to harvest? [Re: methikist]
    #2449062 - 03/18/04 10:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The optimal time to harvest a mushroom for maximum potency (psychoactives chemicals per gram) is just after the rupturing of the veil. The point when the veil ruptures is when the pyschoactive chemicals stop producing. The mushroom will continue to grow (increasing its mass) until the cap is fully open, but at its full maturity the concentration of psychoactives chemicals per gram will be less.


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Re: POTENCY... when to harvest? [Re: psilocybong]
    #2449603 - 03/19/04 12:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

you'll get mixed answers on this one. i'm not really sure if it matters. i personally like harvesting before the veils break because it looks neater and the mushrooms stay intact better in storage. when you pick them when they're fully mature, the caps have a way of turning to dust in storage.


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Re: POTENCY... when to harvest? [Re: taibensis]
    #2453276 - 03/20/04 02:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

' The optimal time to harvest a mushroom for maximum potency (psychoactives chemicals per gram) is just after the rupturing of the veil. The point when the veil ruptures is when the pyschoactive chemicals stop producing. The mushroom will continue to grow (increasing its mass) until the cap is fully open, but at its full maturity the concentration of psychoactives chemicals per gram will be less. '

Its a likely story - but if youd tested it out or looked for scientific alkaloid analysis to back it up you would see that there really isnt a shred of evidence that this is true. There has been no studies that have demonstrated when the mycelia stops producing alkaloids at any stage in the growing cycle. How the veil has any relevance to alkaloid production is quite beyond me. Since some strains keep the veils longer than others, would this imply that some are much more potent beccause of this? I doubt it.
The real reason people harvest before the veil breaks is so that the spores dont spill all over the casing surface inhibiting future pin formation.


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Re: POTENCY... when to harvest? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #2453305 - 03/20/04 02:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The real reason people harvest before the veil breaks is so that the spores dont spill all over the casing surface inhibiting future pin formation.




i agree with this.

im sure some people might think of it as....the shroom dropping spores takes 'juice' away from producing psychoactives because its using more on creating spores and dropping them....i mean why else say they stop producing psychoactives after veil breaks?...other than because fuck spores turning your beautiful caps pure black

hell yeah bluemeanie, thats whats up i think


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Re: POTENCY... when to harvest? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #2453483 - 03/20/04 04:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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....the shroom dropping spores takes 'juice' away from producing psychoactives because its using more on creating spores and dropping them....




[for the record, i may stand corrected on my theory, and i do love a healthy debate]

though Kottonmouth agrees with you, he does more or less cohere with my theory that psychoactive chemical production diminishes as the veil ruptures and the cap begins expansion.


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Re: POTENCY... when to harvest? [Re: taibensis]
    #2453649 - 03/20/04 07:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That is irrelevant - if you ask anyone who has been growing cubies for a long time they will tell you that its just bullshit that PF started as one of his many bullshit stories.
It comes down to scientific evidence - there are studies that suggest potency can vary between flushes, between cubensis spore strains, but there is no evidence that alkaloid production has any connection to the thin membrane that protects the gills whilest they form.
If we look at logic as well, and if we assume that either the alkaloids are there to A. protect the mushroom from predation, or B. to entice humans to pick them and use them for ethnobotanical purposes, A. would require that the alkaloids be present until sporelation - which is the point of the fruit forming in the first place - to distribute spores. If alkaloid production ceases before this, one would assume that psilocin - which is quite unstable - would begin to oxides creating a decline in potency and possible bluestaining. My mature mushrooms are never less potent than smaller mushrooms, never turn blue until they are well old.
As for B, again the aim would be to attract humans who would pick the mushroom frut and thus spread the spores to much further distances. Again, this would require that the alkaloids be at their highest concentrations when the spores are actually present, so that we would pick it and its spores would be ready to fall...


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Re: POTENCY... when to harvest? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #2458552 - 03/21/04 10:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

if nature is evidence enough, look at cannabis for instance, when it shifts to reproduction its psychoactive content is decreased due to energies being redirected toward the making of seeds. shrooms i would say follow the pattern also, the creation of spores reduces to psychoactive production therefor any extra growth would be decreased or void of psychoactives, to what extent decreased is trivial.


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Re: POTENCY... when to harvest? [Re: fresh313]
    #4282617 - 06/11/05 07:50 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

why would you say that - because if it works for cannibis it has to be the same for mushrooms even when there is no evidence?


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Re: POTENCY... when to harvest? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #4283236 - 06/11/05 01:24 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Plants and Fungi process their foods in a very different way, their entire lifecycle is completely different. What would drive anyone to the conclusion that just because a bud plant does something that a mushroom is going to do it too?


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Re: POTENCY... when to harvest? [Re: Wojo]
    #4283292 - 06/11/05 01:54 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

well just wait until the cap is open, so you can take the print and eat more flesh


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