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Offlinebrianh1818
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Veils and harvesting (PES Hawaiian)..
    #3363231 - 11/15/04 09:19 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I'm currently in the middle of a PES Hawaiian grow.... my first grow ever. Anyway, they're almost near harvest, and the veils under the caps have started to break off. I have read conflicting reports about whether or not to harvest when the veil detatches from the cap. However, pictures of the PES Hawaiian strain online show stems with the same detatched veil as mine. So I'm wondering if I should pick them now, even though the caps haven't gone near flat yet, or if this isn't a problem with some of the different varieties?

Thanks, Brian



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Re: Veils and harvesting (PES Hawaiian).. [Re: brianh1818]
    #3363260 - 11/15/04 09:29 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I usually pick them when they look just like the ones in your picture.

Pick those bastards!
If you wanted to spore print a couple, I'd wait until they flatten out a bit..


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Re: Veils and harvesting (PES Hawaiian).. [Re: brianh1818]
    #3363268 - 11/15/04 09:32 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

pick em.....


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Re: Veils and harvesting (PES Hawaiian).. [Re: dobinky]
    #3363331 - 11/15/04 09:59 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

for max potency pic now ot just when the veil is breaking not when its completly dropped
its hard to do unless your watching the like a hawk


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Re: Veils and harvesting (PES Hawaiian).. [Re: fee]
    #3363342 - 11/15/04 10:01 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Right, but thats just as far as potency by weight goes right? Say you were planning on eating x shrooms from a flush. choosing to do so before the veil breaks or later on shouldn't matter. its not like the psilocybin levels begin to drop? Although, they taste much better when they're not sporey messes.


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Re: Veils and harvesting (PES Hawaiian).. [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #3363496 - 11/15/04 10:52 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Once the veil breaks they don't grow much more so even if they don't produce anymore psilocybin after the veil breaks the potency doesn't change. They'll pretty much stay the same size and same potency after the veil breaks.


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Re: Veils and harvesting (PES Hawaiian).. [Re: brianh1818]
    #3363552 - 11/15/04 11:06 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

That is a beautiful mushroom. First time grow eh? Great job.


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Re: Veils and harvesting (PES Hawaiian).. [Re: brianh1818]
    #3363954 - 11/15/04 12:39 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Spores dropping all over the casing layer can inhibit future pin formation, so i always try to pick just after the veil breaks.:mushroom2:


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Re: Veils and harvesting (PES Hawaiian).. [Re: atomic1]
    #3364303 - 11/15/04 02:07 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

hmm good idea could you spawn to some poo straw then just let the spores fall then let the cycle begin again? given you have enough poo wouldn't that feed the new spores?


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Re: Veils and harvesting (PES Hawaiian).. [Re: djred]
    #3364325 - 11/15/04 02:11 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

not really, considering the mushrooms would be growing from the poo and would have already colonized it.

i've never heard that spores dropping can inhibit pins. where did you get that idea? (i'm curious myself)

those mushrooms are mucho perfecto for the picking brian, right where i pick them unless i'm trying to print (then i let the caps flatten out).


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Re: Veils and harvesting (PES Hawaiian).. [Re: ZeroArmy27] * 1
    #3364342 - 11/15/04 02:13 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

pickem


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Re: Veils and harvesting (PES Hawaiian).. [Re: jonas]
    #3364628 - 11/15/04 03:08 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

jonas said:
Once the veil breaks they don't grow much more so even if they don't produce anymore psilocybin after the veil breaks the potency doesn't change. They'll pretty much stay the same size and same potency after the veil breaks.




Not true. Once the veil breaks, they continue to grow taller and get heavier. They can get quite a bit bigger, to say the least. Peak alkaloid concentration per dry gram (i.e. potency) is highest when the veil breaks or just before. After the veil breaks they continue to grow in size but stop producing alkaloids in preparation to drop spores, so the concentration (i.e. potency) goes down. However, a lot of dry weight can be lost over the course of an entire flush.
If you want the best quality, pick just before or as the veil breaks. For dry weight, allow them to mature fully.


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Re: Veils and harvesting (PES Hawaiian).. [Re: ZeroArmy27]
    #3364900 - 11/15/04 04:09 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Whats up Klingon, ^^^^well said.

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ZeroArmy27 said:
i've never heard that spores dropping can inhibit pins. where did you get that idea? (i'm curious myself)




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