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Re: Trump is now a nothing burger. [Re: Psilynut2]
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Psilynut2 said:
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“I hope you can let this go,”  That is what Comey said.  It doesn't mean he asked to close down the investigATION.

oH, RIGHT, that was leaked to the NYT.  I beleive that asked he asked to close the investigation.  That he was he might of that was right.  That was aked during he testimony.  Not to him right away mean that he was comitted a felony by not reporting it.

Shoddy fake news with crumby journalists.
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  It's isn't fake news that Comey felt like Trump was asking him to end an investigation . I have no reason not to believe Comey and no reason to believe Trump . If you can make a case as to why Trump is a guy who doesn't lie and deserves credibility let's hear it .

" I hope you can let this go " does sound like stop your investigation to me , thats exactly how I would take it .


Trump was trying to beat around the bush as to not get in trouble. A subtle tactic. Did it work thou? Will he get charged with obstruction?

Lets find out together :popcorn:

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Re: Trump is now under investigation [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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I can see how that would change it from a request/question to an order, but how do you feel that changes the actual subject itself? "Let it go" means "drop it [the investigation]," does it not, could it even have another interpretation? Are you just disputing whether Trump pressured him, not disputing he asked him to drop it?

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Re: Trump is now a nothing burger. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said:
Psilynut2 said:
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“I hope you can let this go,”  That is what Comey said.  It doesn't mean he asked to close down the investigATION.

oH, RIGHT, that was leaked to the NYT.  I beleive that asked he asked to close the investigation.  That he was he might of that was right.  That was aked during he testimony.  Not to him right away mean that he was comitted a felony by not reporting it.

Shoddy fake news with crumby journalists.
.


 
  It's isn't fake news that Comey felt like Trump was asking him to end an investigation . I have no reason not to believe Comey and no reason to believe Trump . If you can make a case as to why Trump is a guy who doesn't lie and deserves credibility let's hear it .

" I hope you can let this go " does sound like stop your investigation to me , thats exactly how I would take it .


Trump was trying to beat around the bush as to not get in trouble. A subtle tactic. Did it work thou? Will he get charged with obstruction?

Lets find out together :popcorn:



That's what I'm saying, he didn't even 'beat around the bush,' he made it about as obvious as he possibly could without literally spelling it out. Even if he had said, "it'd be nice if this went away" or something less direct and/or more ambiguous, but he outright asked him to 'let it go.' It's like he just doesn't put any thought into his actions, which may well be true.

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Re: Trump is now under investigation [Re: krypto2000] * 1
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The wording thou, its not that pushy, its like "hey buddy, can we just forget about that investigation? Thanks bud". The non-pressuring nature of his choice of words makes it ambiguous and thus hard to say its "illegal interference".

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Re: Trump is now a nothing burger. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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What investigation?  What part of the investigation did he (Trump) 'obstruct'?
 
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/16/politics/trump-james-comey-memo/index.html

FBI explained the Comey memos why the memo are not evidence.


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Re: Trump is now under investigation [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said:
The wording thou, its not that pushy, its like "hey buddy, can we just forget about that investigation? Thanks bud". The non-pressuring nature of his choice of words makes it ambiguous and thus hard to say its "illegal interference".


I agree that could be argued from both sides, I'm just saying I see no real ambiguity over whether Trump made the request over simply speaking aloud, sharing his thoights, or w/e. I do think you can dispute whether it was an order as opposed to a question and legally that to me is a gray area and by the law is open to interpretation.

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Re: Trump is now a nothing burger. [Re: starfire_xes]
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starfire_xes said:
What investigation?  What part of the investigation did he (Trump) 'obstruct'?
 
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/16/politics/trump-james-comey-memo/index.html

FBI explained the Comey memos why the memo are not evidence.


I wasn't arguing for obstruction anyway but that link says nothing of the sort.

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Re: Trump is now a nothing burger. [Re: starfire_xes]
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starfire_xes said:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/16/politics/trump-james-comey-memo/index.html




I wouldn't trust that article if I were you.  It says Nixon was impeached.  We all know that didn't happen.


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Re: Trump is now a nothing burger. [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
starfire_xes said:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/16/politics/trump-james-comey-memo/index.html




I wouldn't trust that article if I were you.  It says Nixon was impeached.  We all know that didn't happen.


that is not what he said in interview.  He said the Comey memo states that were just opinion.  They have extrapolated from the Comey memo's that Trump
obstructed the investigated. 

I know I would not trust Comey--or the Slimes or the washington compost.

My spelling and grammar sucks after the stroke.  I go back to Grad school in August and I will have a write a shitload of research papers.


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Re: Trump is now a nothing burger. [Re: starfire_xes]
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Sorry to hear about your stroke, I wondered why you typed so oddly.

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Re: Trump is now under investigation [Re: Psilynut2]
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trump is not being investigated Facing FBI Bank Fraud Investigation, Bernie And Jane Sanders Hire Lawyers


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-jane-sanders-fbi-investigation_us_594fc816e4b0da2c731c2d1d


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Re: Trump is now under investigation [Re: starfire_xes]
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"not touching, not touching"

America's sense of law.^

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Re: Trump is now under investigation [Re: starfire_xes]
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And obummer with his lackeys is no longer there to provide protection. What a pity. Maybe even pizzagate will be investigated? I heard a civil suit has been filed against epstien the billionaire pedophile and good friend of the clintons. Also a suit against justice dept for not investigating and charging him.


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Re: Trump is now under investigation [Re: Stonehenge]
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...yeah, it's looking like there is a really good chance Loretta Lynch will be facing 5 to 10 years for obstruction of justice and witness tampering.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/judge-nap-former-ag-loretta-lynch-face-5-10-years-jail-conduct-2016-presidential-election-video/

peace, SOG


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Re: Trump is now under investigation [Re: SomeOldGuy] * 1
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SomeOldGuy said:
...yeah, it's looking like there is a really good chance Loretta Lynch will be facing 5 to 10 years for obstruction of justice and witness tampering.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/judge-nap-former-ag-loretta-lynch-face-5-10-years-jail-conduct-2016-presidential-election-video/

peace, SOG




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    Judge Andrew Napolitano says former Attorney General Loretta Lynch could be facing jail time for obstruction of justice if emails to former DNC chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Shultz reportedly about furthering DNC interests surface.

    “It is alleged, this document has not seen the light of day yet, if it exists that there is one or several emails between Debbie Wasserman Shultz and Loretta Lynch concerning the behavior that Loretta Lynch will take to further the DNC interests while Mrs. Lynch was the Attorney General, that if it happened, would be misconduct in office,” he said.




sounds like hypothetical nonsense


:shrug:


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Re: Trump is now under investigation [Re: demiu5]
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demiu5 said:
SomeOldGuy said:
...yeah, it's looking like there is a really good chance Loretta Lynch will be facing 5 to 10 years for obstruction of justice and witness tampering.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/judge-nap-former-ag-loretta-lynch-face-5-10-years-jail-conduct-2016-presidential-election-video/

peace, SOG




Quote:
    Judge Andrew Napolitano says former Attorney General Loretta Lynch could be facing jail time for obstruction of justice if emails to former DNC chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Shultz reportedly about furthering DNC interests surface.

    “It is alleged, this document has not seen the light of day yet, if it exists that there is one or several emails between Debbie Wasserman Shultz and Loretta Lynch concerning the behavior that Loretta Lynch will take to further the DNC interests while Mrs. Lynch was the Attorney General, that if it happened, would be misconduct in office,” he said.




sounds like hypothetical nonsense


:shrug:


...there is a lot more evidence of Loretta's guilt than there is with this Trump collusion delusion, lol.

...let's see what happens in the next few months.

SOG


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Re: Trump is now under investigation [Re: SomeOldGuy] * 2
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to be fair, i didn't say it wouldn't happen.  however, the article he posted is nothing but hypotheticals, based on emails that have yet to "see the light of day....if it exists"


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Re: Trump is now under investigation [Re: demiu5]
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demiu5 said:
to be fair, i didn't say it wouldn't happen.  however, the article he posted is nothing but hypotheticals, based on emails that have yet to "see the light of day....if it exists"


...the mainstream media has been puking all over themselves for months about all this Russian collusion horseshit with absolutely zero evidence, you know, like the attorney general having a private meeting on the back of an airplane with the husband of a person who is the target of an FBI investigation.

...not to mention the obstruction of justice Comey testified to when she ordered him to lie to the American people and refer to that investigation as a matter.

...don't you want to know the truth?  ...or is smearing Trump your only objective?

SOG


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Re: Trump is now under investigation [Re: SomeOldGuy] * 1
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SomeOldGuy said:
demiu5 said:
to be fair, i didn't say it wouldn't happen.  however, the article he posted is nothing but hypotheticals, based on emails that have yet to "see the light of day....if it exists"


...the mainstream media has been puking all over themselves for months about all this Russian collusion horseshit with absolutely zero evidence, you know, like the attorney general having a private meeting on the back of an airplane with the husband of a person who is the target of an FBI investigation.

...not to mention the obstruction of justice Comey testified to when she ordered him to lie to the American people and refer to that investigation as a matter.

...don't you want to know the truth?  ...or is smearing Trump your only objective?

SOG




where did i smear trump in the last two posts?


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Re: Trump is now under investigation [Re: demiu5]
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...passive/aggressive much?


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