Tantrika said:

BANANA.MAN said:

I see what you mean but sjws use "homophobia", "racism", ect. To acctually get people fired and ruin their businesses.

And even hit them. Sjws (including someone i know peesonally ) say words are violent. So if you say something "homophobic" you have commited violence against gay people and people can hit you now.

So its not that im afraid of them calling me names. Its that those names acctually have the power to make people hate someone and it could limmit their career options and people wouldnt want to associate with them either because they hate racism or dont want to be called a racist themselves.

I dont care about just any old name calling. I care about people being silenced because their reputation is at risk.

If it was only acctual racists and sexists and whatnot then fine but they are thrown aroind and innocent people's reputation are ruined.

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Do you have some examples of innocent people's reputations being ruined?

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qman said:

Tantrika said:

BANANA.MAN said:

I see what you mean but sjws use "homophobia", "racism", ect. To acctually get people fired and ruin their businesses.

And even hit them. Sjws (including someone i know peesonally ) say words are violent. So if you say something "homophobic" you have commited violence against gay people and people can hit you now.

So its not that im afraid of them calling me names. Its that those names acctually have the power to make people hate someone and it could limmit their career options and people wouldnt want to associate with them either because they hate racism or dont want to be called a racist themselves.

I dont care about just any old name calling. I care about people being silenced because their reputation is at risk.

If it was only acctual racists and sexists and whatnot then fine but they are thrown aroind and innocent people's reputation are ruined.

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Do you have some examples of innocent people's reputations being ruined?

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Are you joking?  Did you remember the Duke lacrosse case?  Just the tip of the iceberg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

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Clicked it,
said they were falsely accused of rape,
that is an different ballgame than being called racist or homophobic
with or without proof

The Thunderf00t case my post referenced
was a bunch of SJWs trying to get a youtuber kicked out of his actual job
by falsely accusing him of promoting Nazi values

If you want to treat rape accusations as being the same as homophobia or racism,
then that really just means you approach the argument from the same stance as an SJW
do you, at least, wish to provide a supporting argument
to carry your logic further than that
to an actual conclusion we can discuss?


Am sure you are capable of finding something that is relevant to my request
given the US population, there are likely a ton more cases
whereas Canada has far fewer campuses for the culture to take hold in to begin with
do not personally follow the majority of US cases if they are not youtube-centric tho
being a Canadian asking a fellow Canadian for sources
so we could engage in the topic in a way that we could both potentially come away with more productive arguments and approaches
when engaging people in our actual political sphere

Tantrika said:

qman said:

Tantrika said:

BANANA.MAN said:

I see what you mean but sjws use "homophobia", "racism", ect. To acctually get people fired and ruin their businesses.

And even hit them. Sjws (including someone i know peesonally ) say words are violent. So if you say something "homophobic" you have commited violence against gay people and people can hit you now.

So its not that im afraid of them calling me names. Its that those names acctually have the power to make people hate someone and it could limmit their career options and people wouldnt want to associate with them either because they hate racism or dont want to be called a racist themselves.

I dont care about just any old name calling. I care about people being silenced because their reputation is at risk.

If it was only acctual racists and sexists and whatnot then fine but they are thrown aroind and innocent people's reputation are ruined.

---

Do you have some examples of innocent people's reputations being ruined?

---

Are you joking?  Did you remember the Duke lacrosse case?  Just the tip of the iceberg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

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Clicked it,
said they were falsely accused of rape,
that is an different ballgame than being called racist or homophobic
with or without proof

The Thunderf00t case my post referenced
was a bunch of SJWs trying to get a youtuber kicked out of his actual job
by falsely accusing him of promoting Nazi values

If you want to treat rape accusations as being the same as homophobia or racism,
then that really just means you approach the argument from the same stance as an SJW
do you, at least, wish to provide a supporting argument
to carry your logic further than that
to an actual conclusion we can discuss?


Am sure you are capable of finding something that is relevant to my request
given the US population, there are likely a ton more cases
whereas Canada has far fewer campuses for the culture to take hold in to begin with
do not personally follow the majority of US cases if they are not youtube-centric tho
being a Canadian asking a fellow Canadian for sources
so we could engage in the topic in a way that we could both potentially come away with more productive arguments and approaches
when engaging people in our actual political sphere

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Cosmic_Flame said:

da tip of the iceberg dontcha kno

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qman said:

Tantrika said:

qman said:

...
Are you joking?  Did you remember the Duke lacrosse case?  Just the tip of the iceberg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

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Clicked it,
said they were falsely accused of rape,
that is an different ballgame than being called racist or homophobic
with or without proof

The Thunderf00t case my post referenced
was a bunch of SJWs trying to get a youtuber kicked out of his actual job
by falsely accusing him of promoting Nazi values

If you want to treat rape accusations as being the same as homophobia or racism,
then that really just means you approach the argument from the same stance as an SJW
do you, at least, wish to provide a supporting argument
to carry your logic further than that
to an actual conclusion we can discuss?


Am sure you are capable of finding something that is relevant to my request
given the US population, there are likely a ton more cases
whereas Canada has far fewer campuses for the culture to take hold in to begin with
do not personally follow the majority of US cases if they are not youtube-centric tho
being a Canadian asking a fellow Canadian for sources
so we could engage in the topic in a way that we could both potentially come away with more productive arguments and approaches
when engaging people in our actual political sphere

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The race of the suspects and the race of the "victim" were huge factors in that witch hunt.

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So they were found guilty of being white
rather than falsely accused of being rapists?

You still have not provided something we can actually discuss
do you have a position,
or are you simply feeling upset about the case
rather than actually wanting to discuss how you feel the legal treatment of rape
relates to the social treatment of racism and homophobia


Not sure about your positions,
but personally feel that such false accusations should be cause for criminal punishment.
How the US handles such cases does little to directly impact myself
or the person that was previously engaging in discussion with me from here in Canada tho

What implications do you postulate the case holds for the Canadian legal system
or social interactions between Canadians
that Bananaman and myself can use when faced with individuals who make false claims
of racism or homophobia
in the future?

More importantly do you appreciate the music of Minor Threat even half as much as myself?

skatealex2 said:

This might be a weird topic but I think it can cut into something more than just homophobia. Maybe racism too.

Anyway I've known religious people that are basically homophobic that I used to be friends with and I'm curious if you would defriend people that had homophobic or racist views?

Also I say this with the chance that some here may sure those views but I'd imagine it's in the minority here.

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Tantrika said:

So they were found guilty of being white

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abltsandwich said:

Machismo is how real men get by in the real world.  Men gotta act like men or they get left behind, beat down, and they don't get half the pussy.  The strongest guys attract the best and most hot chicks.  Think of the trope where the dumb jock gets the hot girl.  I do think there's something to it.

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qman said:

Tantrika said:

BANANA.MAN said:

I see what you mean but sjws use "homophobia", "racism", ect. To acctually get people fired and ruin their businesses.

And even hit them. Sjws (including someone i know peesonally ) say words are violent. So if you say something "homophobic" you have commited violence against gay people and people can hit you now.

So its not that im afraid of them calling me names. Its that those names acctually have the power to make people hate someone and it could limmit their career options and people wouldnt want to associate with them either because they hate racism or dont want to be called a racist themselves.

I dont care about just any old name calling. I care about people being silenced because their reputation is at risk.

If it was only acctual racists and sexists and whatnot then fine but they are thrown aroind and innocent people's reputation are ruined.

---

Do you have some examples of innocent people's reputations being ruined?

---

Are you joking?  Did you remember the Duke lacrosse case?  Just the tip of the iceberg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

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qman said:

Cosmic_Flame said:

da tip of the iceberg dontcha kno

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Every public official is terrified of being labeled racist today, there's a HS in my area in which three black students beat up a white student so badly he ended up in the hospital with serious injures.

The end result, the principle and superintendent are apologizing to the minority students for not being sensitive to their safety and concerns, as a result a "special culture diversity advisor" is being hired to help the non-minority students to act better in the future.

They know it's complete bullshit, but they don't want to get fired and lose their big salary and pension.

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Tantrika said:

qman said:

Tantrika said:

qman said:

...
Are you joking?  Did you remember the Duke lacrosse case?  Just the tip of the iceberg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

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Clicked it,
said they were falsely accused of rape,
that is an different ballgame than being called racist or homophobic
with or without proof

The Thunderf00t case my post referenced
was a bunch of SJWs trying to get a youtuber kicked out of his actual job
by falsely accusing him of promoting Nazi values

If you want to treat rape accusations as being the same as homophobia or racism,
then that really just means you approach the argument from the same stance as an SJW
do you, at least, wish to provide a supporting argument
to carry your logic further than that
to an actual conclusion we can discuss?


Am sure you are capable of finding something that is relevant to my request
given the US population, there are likely a ton more cases
whereas Canada has far fewer campuses for the culture to take hold in to begin with
do not personally follow the majority of US cases if they are not youtube-centric tho
being a Canadian asking a fellow Canadian for sources
so we could engage in the topic in a way that we could both potentially come away with more productive arguments and approaches
when engaging people in our actual political sphere

---

The race of the suspects and the race of the "victim" were huge factors in that witch hunt.

---

So they were found guilty of being white
rather than falsely accused of being rapists?

You still have not provided something we can actually discuss
do you have a position,
or are you simply feeling upset about the case
rather than actually wanting to discuss how you feel the legal treatment of rape
relates to the social treatment of racism and homophobia


Not sure about your positions,
but personally feel that such false accusations should be cause for criminal punishment.
How the US handles such cases does little to directly impact myself
or the person that was previously engaging in discussion with me from here in Canada tho

What implications do you postulate the case holds for the Canadian legal system
or social interactions between Canadians
that Bananaman and myself can use when faced with individuals who make false claims
of racism or homophobia
in the future?

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Crystal G said:

qman said:

Tantrika said:

BANANA.MAN said:

I see what you mean but sjws use "homophobia", "racism", ect. To acctually get people fired and ruin their businesses.

And even hit them. Sjws (including someone i know peesonally ) say words are violent. So if you say something "homophobic" you have commited violence against gay people and people can hit you now.

So its not that im afraid of them calling me names. Its that those names acctually have the power to make people hate someone and it could limmit their career options and people wouldnt want to associate with them either because they hate racism or dont want to be called a racist themselves.

I dont care about just any old name calling. I care about people being silenced because their reputation is at risk.

If it was only acctual racists and sexists and whatnot then fine but they are thrown aroind and innocent people's reputation are ruined.

---

Do you have some examples of innocent people's reputations being ruined?

---

Are you joking?  Did you remember the Duke lacrosse case?  Just the tip of the iceberg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

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But.... what does that have to do with homophobics and racists? Isn't that what the conversation was about?

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qman said:

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It was a case in which these straight whites males that came from a background of privilege were convicted of the rape of a minority female WITHOUT any evidence in the court of public opinion.

It destroyed the lives of 4-5 players and it was all based on lies from people the wanted to create a false narrative that suited their ideology.
...

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Quote:

Although McFadyen was not one of the three players accused of rape, his email gained national media attention and resulted in his suspension from the University in March 2006. However, McFadyen resumed classes as a student in Fall 2006, continued to play on the lacrosse team and played as tight end on the football team during the 2008 season with Coach David Cutcliffe. He graduated in 2008 with a bachelor of arts degree in history and received a master's degree in liberal studies from Duke in 2010. A 2014 article in Vanity Fair profiled McFadyen and revealed that he had changed his name to John in an effort to distance himself from the email.

...

According to his LinkedIn account, McFadyen is currently an associate developer for Post Road Residential. McFadyen did not respond to The Chronicle’s requests for an interview.

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Quote:

In a press conference after he was indicted, Evans asserted that the charges brought against him and his teammates were “fantastic lies.” The charges against him and his teammates were dropped April 12, 2007.

Evans received his master’s in business administration from the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School in 2013. According to his LinkedIn page, Evans is currently a principal for the consumer team at Apax Partners, a private equity and venture capital firm, in New York. Evans has remained out of the media spotlight after settling with the University for an undisclosed amount in June 2007. Evans could not be reached for comment.

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Quote:

Although he was allowed to return to Duke for classes in Spring 2007, Finnerty transferred to Loyola College in Baltimore, Md., where he continued to play lacrosse and started every game of the 2008 and 2009 seasons. He was named co-captain his senior year, and graduated in 2010 with a degree in communications.

He currently works in equity sales trading for Deutsche Bank, according to his LinkedIn page. In recent years, Finnerty has remained out of the media spotlight after settling with the University for an undisclosed amount. The Chronicle was unable to contact Finnerty for comment.

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Quote:

Seligmann transferred to Brown University in 2007, where he continued to play lacrosse and graduated in 2010 with a degree in history and public policy. He attended Emory Law School and is currently an associate for Connell Foley, according to his LinkedIn page.

Since his wrongful accusation during the lacrosse case, Seligmann has been involved with the Innocence Project—a national litigation and public policy organization dedicated to exonerating wrongfully convicted individuals. Seligmann raised $50,000 in 2010 for the Innocence Project and organized the Eyewitness Identification Symposium at Brown, which focused on discussing ways to improve the accuracy of the eyewitness identification process.

“I’d like to say I’m a noble guy and I would have done all that stuff,” Seligmann said to the Newark Star-Ledger in 2010. “But I probably wouldn’t have gotten involved in that if my life hadn’t been so impacted by a similar cause.”

Seligmann settled with the University for an undisclosed amount in June 2007. In recent years, he has remained out of the media spotlight. Seligmann did not respond to The Chronicle’s request for interview.

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Quote:

After a lengthy media silence, Mangum released a memoir called “The Last Dance for Grace: The Crystal Mangum Story” in October 2008 and maintained that she was assaulted at the party in March 2006.

In November 2013, she was convicted of second-degree murder for stabbing her boyfriend Reginald Daye. Mangum stabbed Daye in April 2011 in a fight at Daye's home, 10 days after which he died at Duke University Medical Center.

She was sentenced by Superior Court Judge Paul Ridgeway to a minimum of 14 years in prison after about six hours of deliberation by a 13-person jury.

Mangum claimed she was acting in self-defense at the time. She said Daye knocked her to the floor, threatening and choking her. She testified that she did not intend to kill him.

She is currently serving her sentence at the North Carolina Correctional Institute for Women in Raleigh.

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They recovered likely far better than most legitimate rape victims do
and false rape accusations only serve to diminish the spheres of help sufferers have access to
so you seem to agree with me on my distaste for such false accusation
personally hate that it has a negative impact on multiple spheres of individuals for varying reasons
but that none of the individuals who deal with repercussions of false accusations are those that make them


Going to stand by my policy of just giving SJWs enough rope to hang themselves tho
social perceptions caused by being called a racist or homophobe
are a world apart from rape accusations
and, of course, the reiteration that the legal system that handled the case
differs from the one relevant to the Candian individuals
you are trying to tie this case into the thread for
unless, at this point, you are just trying to tie it in for your own sake
and do not care about the issues myself and Bananaman were discussing
that prompted you to bring the case up

qman said:

...
Remember when Darren Wilson (white cop) was convicted in the court of public opinion for murdering the gentle giant Michael Brown (black)?  All Brown was doing was walking home from the store when the Wilson stopped him and shot him to death for no reason?  Of course, that never happened when the facts of the case finally came out.

Wilson's life as a policeman is most likely ruined for doing nothing wrong.

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Nah, did not follow the case at all
the :feelsZimmerman: case was more than enough to me
American racial politics are weird

am thankful they play little role and have little impact up here
you make it sound like you guys are in a tough way down there

Relevant to your points, though it similarly has little to do with social treatments of homophobia

This interesting point of consideration


was posted on imgur yesterday

by a man who spent 18 years in prison
after a wrongful rape conviction
while the actual rapist is likely still at large to this day
and potentially still causing harm to individuals
and, who knows, perhaps his actions have even lead to another false conviction

He also linked to the story of his arrest, trial, conviction, sentence, and eventual release and exoneration
https://www.innocenceproject.org/cases/brandon-moon/

if your life has been ruined by an individual like the one in the story you linked
can fully respect and comprehend your frustrations
and hopefully, in a number of years from now, you may be able to come out of it like Mr. Moon
who has been aided by the organization one of the Duke players is now involved with
so that player has also turned his hard times to helping others

do you have a postulate on how the issues you are presenting may aide myself and other Canadians?
Or is this more about letting me know how bad you feel it is down there presently?