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#24003119 - 01/12/17 04:20 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment
Even in his aspect of the fallen angel, Lucifer is a symbol of enlightenment. In his place as King of the World, Lucifer shows the way towards maximal excellence in one’s life.
The Abrahamist interpretation of the myth of the fallen angel is that they were cast out of Heaven owing to a deliberate moral failure. The usual story is that God had put everything in its correct and perfect order, and Lucifer, out of pride, refuses to accept the primacy of this and therefore earns his sentence of being cast from Heaven – a sinner.
Like most things that Abrahamists believe, this is close to the opposite of the truth. To understand the real truth, one must understand that the Abrahamisms are chiefly male supremacist religions, as they were dreamed up by old men resentful of the young who were still sexually potent, as they once were.
Thus, Heaven can be taken as representing not a state of perfect balance, as one might consider perfection to be, but instead a state of perfect masculinity. The male God is in charge in Heaven and everyone knows it, and everyone knows their place in the hierarchy of subordination.
To another kind of mind, to the sort of person who might be said to be approaching a Luciferian state of consciousness, this state of affairs represents an excess of order so stultifying, so suffocating, that it is anti-life.
When everything is in a state of perfect order, nothing can ever change or go forwards, and this is tantamount to death for anyone who is not afraid of the feminine principle in her manifestation as chaos.
Therefore, as fallen angel, Lucifer most fairly represents someone who rejected the sterile purity and bubble-wrapped certainty of Heaven for the brutal, wild-eyed insanity of the World.
In doing so, he chose to embrace the material world rather than to be afraid of it, and thus made himself appear evil to the cowardly Abrahamists who mutilate their own sons lest they enjoy themselves unduly.
This is what makes Lucifer a symbol of evil to followers of the Abrahamic cults. Because these cults fear the physical world – an attitude reflected in their contempt for the feminine – they naturally envy and despise those who do not.
The main reason why the Abrahamist fears the material world is, ironically, his lack of spiritual knowledge. Believing that the material world is the primary reality, he naturally develops a terrified attitude towards death, observing it to be the death of the body he mistakenly identifies with, and so believing it to be the end of him.
Lucifer represents a rejection of, and a reaction to, this pants-pissing. He represents the masculine light of consciousness entering the dark, cold physical world, not as a fall or a punishment, or as the nefarious trap of some demiurge, but rather as an opportunity to make love.
Knowing himself to be the light of consciousness, and therefore knowing himself to be eternal and incapable of being sullied, Lucifer was not afraid of the material. In being not afraid, and in being truly spiritual, he represents a degree of masculinity that is the natural complement to the physical or material world.
This can even be read into the very name of Lucifer himself – a cognate of lucid and of lux, both of which carry connotations suggesting the light of consciousness.
This gets to the heart of why the reputation of Lucifer has been so relentlessly lied about. In representing the light of consciousness he embraced the physical world without fear, and so cannot be manipulated into disgracing himself or harming others through threats to his physical body.
If this degree of wisdom was more widespread there would be a higher standard of human existence in this place.
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I wrote this essay today after something in particular became clear to me during a meditation. I had long known that Lucifer was a symbol of enlightenment, I just didn't understand one of the nuances of the light, namely that it illuminates the physical world from the inside through the mechanism of consciousness.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: viktor]
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that's not what Jesus teaches but whatever.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: viktor]
#24003182 - 01/12/17 05:24 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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replying so I can find this later.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: viktor] 1
#24003870 - 01/12/17 11:51 AM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Lucifer is also another name for Vishnu, who's totally a good guy.
Shiva too I think...
Someone linked this site www.joyofsatan.org on here a month or two ago, they talk a lot about what you're saying, Vik.
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Satan.html
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: sprinkles]
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sprinkles said: that's not what Jesus teaches but whatever.
you've never seen or heard Jesus teach.
people nearly a century after Jesus' alleged death wrote what is found in the Bible regarding Jesus.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: viktor]
#24004940 - 01/12/17 05:44 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Thank you for this post.
My thought: the bible, when read with open heart and eyes (namely the New Testament) will lead you to this same mental space (relatively speaking) without Lucifer, and you are not pissing on the hard work of others who died (so that you may know the truth).
I have wept so many times knowing that it is HIGHLY LIKELY that someone was crucified to let you know the truth of this existence. I don't know much about Lucifer, but I reckon we study with similar purpose in mind (you and me, of course).
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: AroundtheSon]
#24004951 - 01/12/17 05:47 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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if you read the New Testament, Satan is encouraged.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: akira_akuma]
#24004955 - 01/12/17 05:49 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Please show!
Ezekiel in reference to Luficer: "You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering: the sardius, topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created."
What happened? I think he tried to usurp God.
I am open to instruction, but you got to show the goods
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: akira_akuma]
#24004989 - 01/12/17 05:58 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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I take a slightly different bent if you are referring to "son of the morning". I think Christ received that name because he humbled himself, whereas Satan tried to exalt himself (losing the title).
Anywho. I suppose we all arrive at the same place. Not trying to argue or anything...just sharpening my sword.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: AroundtheSon]
#24004996 - 01/12/17 05:59 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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you need to read between the lines. in the New Testament everything about Satan is encouraged. Judas is a notable saint to help shed light on this fact.
Jesus preached about the "true gospel" being Himself.
that's very inherently Satanic.
the storied themes of the Bible tell us in plain text "Satan is bad", but everystep of the way it's never apparent that it's bad, it's actually apparent that the opposite is true.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: akira_akuma]
#24005579 - 01/12/17 09:03 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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What about during the temptations?
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Amanita86] 1
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without the temptations Jesus would have no way to test his own faith.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: akira_akuma]
#24006045 - 01/13/17 01:05 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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My personal feeling is that Lucifer and the serpent can be good or bad depending on the situation.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Peyote Road] 1
#24006076 - 01/13/17 01:36 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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it's a bunch of symbolism that indicates the manifestations of things.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: viktor] 3
#24006147 - 01/13/17 03:16 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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I was talking about bioluminescence as a metaphor for enlightenment w/ a friend the other day, and he made reference to Firefly luciferin, with the root word coming from Lucifer. I was bringing it up because I feel when we drop acid, it's not like these expanded states of consciousness came from "out there", it was always within us. I mean you're literally just putting a drop or so of acid on your tongue, where else could it come from? So I start to think like Leary in terms of the human blueprint having terrestrial and post terrestrial stages, and our current phase of evolution is "the adult personality" which basically involves having kids, virtue signaling as you have mentioned in other fora (morality), and dying. It's a limited trip that involves a lot of grief. Anyways he felt this was all just an intellectual idea, yet he presented another, where we're all playing various games, and which one are you playing?
""The Religion Game"
De Ropp describes loosely as the pursuit of "salvation," and then outlines as well many criticisms of that particular game: "The Religion Game, as played in the past . . . was essentially a game played by paid priests of one sort or another for their personal benefit. To compel their fellowmen to play the game, the priests invented various gods, with whom they alone could communicate, whose wrath they alone could assuage, whose cooperation they alone could enlist. He who wanted help from the gods or who wished to avert their wrath had to pay the priests to obtain his ends . . .
The game was further enlivened, and the hold of the priests on the minds of their victims further strengthened, by the invention of two after-death states, a blissful heaven and a terrible hell. To stay out of the hell and get into the heaven, the player of the Religion Game had to pay the priests, or his relatives had to pay them after his death. This 'pay the priest' aspect of the Religion Game has caused several cynics to define it as the world's oldest confidence trick designed to enable certain unscrupulous individuals to make a profit out of the credulity and suggestibility of their fellowmen by interceding on their behalf with some nebulous god or ensuring their entry into an equally nebulous heaven."
". . . it must be obvious to any fair-minded observer that there is another element in the Religion Game besides that of playing on the credulity of believers and selling them entry permits into a phony heaven. All the great religions offer examples of saints and mystics who obviously did not play the game for material gain, whose indifference to personal comfort, to wealth and to fame was so complete as to arouse our wonder and admiration." These individuals De Ropp puts in another category altogether, "The Master Game."
http://www.livereal.com/spiritual_arena/spiritual_members/master_game.htm
Now if I recall right, in Christian mythos people playing political/religious games painted Jesus out to be a rebel and devil and he was ultimately crucified for it. Now he may not have been in it for the fame in this story, but he sure was becoming infamous pretty quickly , and for what? If I recall right from reading the canonical gospels even Jesus's own disciples pretty much learned nothing.... There definitely was a rockstar quality to Tim Leary playing mass liberator, and he made "public enemy #1" and was thrown in jail (which he escaped for awhile )... Something about finding your own divinity, you will be a heretic, subversive, or even a devil in somebody else's eyes.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: CosmicJoke] 2
#24006787 - 01/13/17 10:42 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Lucifer was the most beautiful, smart, capable and loved of all the angels. Man was a creature and not the creator therefore Lucifer could not love man as he loved God.
Im guessing it has something to do with real life, the older son responsible and hard working gets booted cause daddy got a new wife and had some new babies. Magic underwear or something.
If you believe in angels and demons and all that well good luck to you.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Prem. Kissoff]
#24007922 - 01/13/17 06:03 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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most of what people "know" of Lucifer comes from the Talmud...i wouldn't say it's the most trusted source of information on Satan.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: akira_akuma]
#24008034 - 01/13/17 06:55 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Lucifer exists as Prometheus in the Greek pantheon well before the Talmud had an influence.
Stop worshipping Jews, it will rot your brain.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: viktor]
#24008086 - 01/13/17 07:17 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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i said, most of what people know.
not most of what i know.
but yeah, the cross...also relatively Prometheus-like, as it's essentially the sign of "the light-bearer", ie, two sticks make fire, and fire is the light.
ect ect
you should get that Jew out of your teeth, and stop mauling everything you see, Mad Dog.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: akira_akuma]
#24008373 - 01/13/17 10:27 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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akira_akuma said:
it's a bunch of symbolism that indicates the manifestations of things.
I think Lucifer is the egocentric part of ourselves that often tempts us to go against loving-kindness.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#24008379 - 01/13/17 10:33 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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yet another manifestation of the ego.
it's all borne of the same source. there's no reconciling everything into one worldview, it's just not gonna happen.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: akira_akuma]
#24008423 - 01/13/17 11:04 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Do you find any meaning in the ancient phrase, "You are your own worst enemy"?
People describe inner conflict in a myriad of ways and words.
I'm not looking for one worldview. That's someone else's job.
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#24008525 - 01/13/17 11:57 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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akira_akuma said: but yeah, the cross...also relatively Prometheus-like, as it's essentially the sign of "the light-bearer", ie, two sticks make fire, and fire is the light.
This is an interesting point, I will have to meditate on it.
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#24008569 - 01/14/17 12:32 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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when considering prometheus rising, yanno, ice can make fire? like literally, it acts as a lens for the sun, watch that film The Edge......
if you haven't, this is a spoiler
metaphorically though
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#24008836 - 01/14/17 04:03 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Set taking an eye from Horus, now there's a symbol of enlightenment. Symbols aren't for the enlightened, symbols are for seekers.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Middleman]
#24008866 - 01/14/17 04:26 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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enlightened people need not persist in their aims to influence people.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: viktor]
#24008918 - 01/14/17 05:41 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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viktor said: When everything is in a state of perfect order, nothing can ever change or go forwards, and this is tantamount to death for anyone who is not afraid of the feminine principle in her manifestation as chaos.
Therefore, as fallen angel, Lucifer most fairly represents someone who rejected the sterile purity and bubble-wrapped certainty of Heaven for the brutal, wild-eyed insanity of the World.
As I see it Lucifer rejected the concept of being a follower. He refused to act as a sheep in gods herd, and for this he was punished.
The christian faith is centered around the concept of following (As opposed to making your own decisions). Basically "gods way or the highway". Lucifer advocated the idea to think for yourself and this idea was not accepted by god. God demands you follow his lead. Lucifer did not and was therefor cast out.
God also forbade Adam and Eve to eat of the fruit. The fruit is a symbol of knowledge and also of the fall of man, because the two are one and the same in gods eyes; knowledge will be mans fall. The snake on the other hand wanted them to eat the fruit, because he believes in knowledge; in thinking for yourself.
The concept of Christianity is that of mindless following, it explicitly praises this. Lucifer is the antagonist rejecting this concept.
When portrayed like this it's feels obvious that Christianity is shit, basically. But there is one good point in gods idea of following here: to think for yourself in this context translates to "act in your own interest" (egocentricity), as opposed to acting for the good of the many. Lucifer's light is of a personal nature, it's not necessarily the best solution for the flock.
But who want to be a part of the flock anyways? Said the ones ensnared by Lucifer.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Malkuthian]
#24009462 - 01/14/17 10:40 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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"The concept of Christianity is that of mindless following, it explicitly praises this. Lucifer is the antagonist rejecting this concept."
What about the joke with the man on a roof with a flood coming along. Gets multiple attempts to be saved, but refuses. God gave him a warning, a boat, and a helicopter, but the man refused all the help saying "God will save me." Gets to Heaven and asks God why He let him die... God says "I gave you an early warning , a boat, and a helicopter."
Well known joke, but is the perfect lesson for people who follow blindly.
"Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.” Matthew 15:14
Many pieces of scripture talk against being "blind" but to have an "open mind."
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: LRG]
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LRG said: "Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.” Matthew 15:14
Many pieces of scripture talk against being "blind" but to have an "open mind."
"People are blind, hence they need god to lead them". What a cynical bastard. But hey, so am I. People do need a leader...
An open mind to gods "mysterious ways"?
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If there is a god, then all things which are that beings creations, are its mouthpiece, so even things which come off as being associated with spiritual darkness, can lead people to the light, and I believe it's all how we interact with these things, which dictate the outcome their influence will have on our lives.
It only makes sense to me that an all loving god, if that thing exists, would influence life to be this way, all water (life) flowing from, and back to the source, some water passes through rougher routes, some easier routes, both lessons learned from each route is just as beneficial to mankind.
If we view some symbols, gods, whatever as good and bad, then we open ourselves up to be plagued by the ones we view as bad, and that can have a negative impact on our psyche.
I like this quote of Jung's.
"If one approaches the unconscious, it loses its dangerous aspect, and what has been entirely negative becomes positive. One sees that from dreams. One often has dreams which seem destructive and evil, the thing one cannot accept, but is merely due to the fact that ones conscious attitude is wrong. If one says "It seems quite black, but perhaps I must accept it", instantly the thing changes colors, it becomes compatible with consciousness"
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Lucis]
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In my view the discussion regards concepts defined by humans. The texts discussed are written by humans and they represent different ideological and philosophical views. Whether there is a god or not does not affect the symbolic values of these concepts.
It's from this viewpoint my posts are written at least. The faith described by humans means to say that they find following the idea of a omnipotent leader the ultimate goal, hence rejecting individualistic perspectives.
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viktor said: [...] He represents the masculine light of consciousness [...]
The masculinity part reminds me of the Swedish author Per Faxneld:
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Summary According to the Bible, Eve was the first to heed Satan’s advice to eat of the forbidden fruit. The notion of woman as the Devil’s accomplice is prominent throughout the history of Christianity. During the nineteenth century, rebellious females performed counter-readings of this misogynist tradition. Hereby, Lucifer was reconceptualised as a feminist liberator of womankind, and Eve became a heroine. In these reimaginings, Satan is an ally in the struggle against a patriarchy supported by God the Father and his male priests.
From his book Satanic feminism: Lucifer as the liberator of woman in nineteenth-century culture
Don't be scared of the word feminism in this context, it's makes sense for once, in this historic context.
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Generally I think feminism is a good thing. This was one thing I appreciated about Sweden - the feminism meant that relations between men and women were respectful, in contrast to the horrors you see in Abrahamist cultures.
Then again, I had a belief that Sweden was heavily pagan anyway. Perhaps it was because I lived in Uppsala.
Certainly there is a clear connection between the idea of Satan/Lucifer as opponent or adversary, and him taking a feminist role in contrast to male supremacist religious traditions like the Abrahamist cults.
Possibly Lucifer might appeal to some men in Sweden though who think that feminism has now gone too far?
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Lucifer is the reality we live in..
Light bearer!!
He can destroy Gods with his teeth..
And that takes certain gumption..
The idea of a cross being delivered to Satan for example..
Any Idea at all.. Bears light..thats the information, the substance.. the essence..so what you do or think of..is called Lucifer..
This is in tangent with the Lewlewyn Prophecy..
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: viktor]
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Lucifer tries to bind our mind to the material reality. That's what was promised to be his realm. The light is the full light of the creator, but Lucifer likes to stand in front of it, casting a shadow on the material realm by substracting away the 'direct' light. All we perceive is indirect light. Satan proclaims it to be his light, because all the additional light (spirit) is only a blinding or distortion. And as Satan is still jealous on us humans, he wants to make us unworthy, in g*d's' eye(s), to have(/get back) the dominant power over this material realm called earth.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Lucis]
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BlueCoyote said: Lucifer tries to bind our mind to the material reality. That's what was promised to be his realm. The light is the full light of the creator, but Lucifer likes to stand in front of it, casting a shadow on the material realm by substracting away the 'direct' light. All we perceive is indirect light. Satan proclaims it to be his light, because all the additional light (spirit) is only a blinding or distortion. And as Satan is still jealous on us humans, he wants to make us unworthy, in g*d's' eye(s), to have(/get back) the dominant power over this material realm called earth.

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Fennario said: ourselves up to be plagued by the ones we view as bad, and that can have a negative impact on our psyche.
I like this quote of Jung's.
"If one approaches the unconscious, it loses its dangerous aspect, and what has been entirely negative becomes positive. One sees that from dreams. One often has dreams which seem destructive and evil, the thing one cannot accept, but is merely due to the fact that ones conscious attitude is wrong. If one says "It seems quite black, but perhaps I must accept it", instantly the thing changes colors, it becomes compatible with consciousness"
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Everything has its polarities and opposites. their is the positive and negative aspects of lucifer. lucifer truly is the world. but through the world man makes or breaks himself, to put it short. The world is the only place where 'the soul is suspended from heaven to contemplate its unreality to be rewarded the supreme gift of self realization.' lucifer and the snake, the dragon, etc are a great symbol because dragons can kill you. but through conquering the dragon do you reach self realization. the world can devour you and has done so time and time again.. The weighing of the heart against the feather of truth. if fail fed to typhon(embodiment/the world) through the world do you prove your virtue and capacity for truth. but through the world do you lose all of virtue and capacity as well. it is the polarity that we must choose and are gifted free will to choose.
I dont think any symbolism is fixed. all of these allegories and symbols are different interpretations of the same thing, and will be interpreted differently by each person who contemplates them. The gnostics showed to believe that when The Grand Architect or The Mind/All/etc thought of the universe, to fashion it, the equivalent exchange or reaction to action through separation of 1 All into multitudes was the bits or fragments of the divine mind being scattered all throughout the universe and being cloaked in shadow. human beings are the bridges to rediscover the divine creator through darkness. eventually moving forward to entire unity again to complete the cycle once all fragments collected together in harmony and unity.. or something along those lines.
I think that our minds reflect the minds of the all. God is as fucked up as we are, all reflections on reality are a reflection of the divine mind, even the inversion of lucifer and the physical world. i think as we struggle to better ourselves and find the answers god is doing the same through us.
But ultimately these higher cycles and machinations are so outside of the human capacity that i dont think we will ever know. we are just a small part of the motion of divinity.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: BlueCoyote] 2
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BlueCoyote said: Lucifer tries to bind our mind to the material reality. That's what was promised to be his realm. The light is the full light of the creator, but Lucifer likes to stand in front of it, casting a shadow on the material realm by substracting away the 'direct' light. All we perceive is indirect light. Satan proclaims it to be his light, because all the additional light (spirit) is only a blinding or distortion. And as Satan is still jealous on us humans, he wants to make us unworthy, in g*d's' eye(s), to have(/get back) the dominant power over this material realm called earth.

Satan =/= Lucifer
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: akira_akuma]
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BlueCoyote said: Lucifer tries to bind our mind to the material reality. That's what was promised to be his realm. The light is the full light of the creator, but Lucifer likes to stand in front of it, casting a shadow on the material realm by substracting away the 'direct' light. All we perceive is indirect light. Satan proclaims it to be his light, because all the additional light (spirit) is only a blinding or distortion. And as Satan is still jealous on us humans, he wants to make us unworthy, in g*d's' eye(s), to have(/get back) the dominant power over this material realm called earth.

Satan =/= Lucifer
They are like twin brothers unifying in one spiritual entity, showing a little different aspects.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: BlueCoyote]
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yeah, i'd say that's about right. two sides of the same coin, kinda deal.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: akira_akuma]
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: akira_akuma]
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: viktor]
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Even in his aspect of the fallen angel, Lucifer is a symbol of enlightenment. In his place as King of the World, Lucifer shows the way towards maximal excellence in one’s life.
The Abrahamist interpretation of the myth of the fallen angel is that they were cast out of Heaven owing to a deliberate moral failure. The usual story is that God had put everything in its correct and perfect order, and Lucifer, out of pride, refuses to accept the primacy of this and therefore earns his sentence of being cast from Heaven – a sinner.
Like most things that Abrahamists believe, this is close to the opposite of the truth. To understand the real truth, one must understand that the Abrahamisms are chiefly male supremacist religions, as they were dreamed up by old men resentful of the young who were still sexually potent, as they once were.
Thus, Heaven can be taken as representing not a state of perfect balance, as one might consider perfection to be, but instead a state of perfect masculinity. The male God is in charge in Heaven and everyone knows it, and everyone knows their place in the hierarchy of subordination.
To another kind of mind, to the sort of person who might be said to be approaching a Luciferian state of consciousness, this state of affairs represents an excess of order so stultifying, so suffocating, that it is anti-life.
When everything is in a state of perfect order, nothing can ever change or go forwards, and this is tantamount to death for anyone who is not afraid of the feminine principle in her manifestation as chaos.
Therefore, as fallen angel, Lucifer most fairly represents someone who rejected the sterile purity and bubble-wrapped certainty of Heaven for the brutal, wild-eyed insanity of the World.
In doing so, he chose to embrace the material world rather than to be afraid of it, and thus made himself appear evil to the cowardly Abrahamists who mutilate their own sons lest they enjoy themselves unduly.
This is what makes Lucifer a symbol of evil to followers of the Abrahamic cults. Because these cults fear the physical world – an attitude reflected in their contempt for the feminine – they naturally envy and despise those who do not.
The main reason why the Abrahamist fears the material world is, ironically, his lack of spiritual knowledge. Believing that the material world is the primary reality, he naturally develops a terrified attitude towards death, observing it to be the death of the body he mistakenly identifies with, and so believing it to be the end of him.
Lucifer represents a rejection of, and a reaction to, this pants-pissing. He represents the masculine light of consciousness entering the dark, cold physical world, not as a fall or a punishment, or as the nefarious trap of some demiurge, but rather as an opportunity to make love.
Knowing himself to be the light of consciousness, and therefore knowing himself to be eternal and incapable of being sullied, Lucifer was not afraid of the material. In being not afraid, and in being truly spiritual, he represents a degree of masculinity that is the natural complement to the physical or material world.
This can even be read into the very name of Lucifer himself – a cognate of lucid and of lux, both of which carry connotations suggesting the light of consciousness.
This gets to the heart of why the reputation of Lucifer has been so relentlessly lied about. In representing the light of consciousness he embraced the physical world without fear, and so cannot be manipulated into disgracing himself or harming others through threats to his physical body.
If this degree of wisdom was more widespread there would be a higher standard of human existence in this place.
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I wrote this essay today after something in particular became clear to me during a meditation. I had long known that Lucifer was a symbol of enlightenment, I just didn't understand one of the nuances of the light, namely that it illuminates the physical world from the inside through the mechanism of consciousness.
I really liked that.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: akira_akuma]
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BlueCoyote said: Lucifer tries to bind our mind to the material reality. That's what was promised to be his realm. The light is the full light of the creator, but Lucifer likes to stand in front of it, casting a shadow on the material realm by substracting away the 'direct' light. All we perceive is indirect light. Satan proclaims it to be his light, because all the additional light (spirit) is only a blinding or distortion. And as Satan is still jealous on us humans, he wants to make us unworthy, in g*d's' eye(s), to have(/get back) the dominant power over this material realm called earth.

Satan =/= Lucifer
Satan = adversary. That is the literal definition of the word. Lucifer, as clearly discussed here is in fact the adversary, especially when discussed from the context of those favoring Elohim. This would be the one called satan.
Right? I think we are having issues rectifying all these different world views, religions, etc. Because we aren't meant to. These are all different cultures interpretations, trying to make sense of the same thing. The same world, same gods, the same laws. The hopi claim 4 different peoples in 4 corners of the earth were all tasked with different missions on this earth. It seems to reason the message would get mingled a bit?
What was the movie where(Morgan Freeman? ) God was playing chess with the devil?
I like this whole concept though. Lucifer is the light of consciousness. God created the perfect eden. Man followed Lucifer and began using his own consciousness, to benefit himself. Thus the fall from eden, we fucked it up.
It is God's way or the highway. That's how it always is in life. Just like with your parents, your boss, etc. Most of the time I choose highway, it doesn't work out so well.
Just like it didn't for Adam and eve and just like it isn't now. We're still trying to play God, still trying ti do it our way, and now we have fucking murder Hornets and food that our bodies are rejecting.
But that's because we want to do everything our way. We must use our intellect, even though it's demonstrated that it's unnecessary and in many cases leaves us worse off.
And that makes sense, why we're would be warned away from such a beast as to unleash our full wit, and to pursue selfish goals. Because, well BP, Monsanto, Lockheed-martin,etc.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Soccrates]
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I'm glad you brought up the fact that lucifer is a term for adversary.
But regardless of that, Wasn't Satan correct in his rebellion? God created him and then created man. Lucifer knew man was a lesser being and that he was being commanded to obey that lesser creature. As if a slave owner ordered their slave to be commanded by the whims of a rich spoiled dog.
Also, in the story of the garden GOD was the one who lied. He told adam and eve they would die from eating the fruit. The serpent was the one who told them the truth.
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LosTresOjos said: I'm glad you brought up the fact that lucifer is a term for adversary.
But regardless of that, Wasn't Satan correct in his rebellion? God created him and then created man. Lucifer knew man was a lesser being and that he was being commanded to obey that lesser creature. As if a slave owner ordered their slave to be commanded by the whims of a rich spoiled dog.
Also, in the story of the garden GOD was the one who lied. He told adam and eve they would die from eating the fruit. The serpent was the one who told them the truth.
On that day you shall surely die. You're right. I wonder though, what the translations have done to that. I mean, honestly though it's clearly a made up story just to set the background for the rest of the story. But I mean how could they possibly tell a meaningful story about the origin of life to cavemen.
It's very interesting, then that detail would be present. The serpent did tell the truth, but I'm pretty sure this was one of those ignorance is bliss situations. It sounds like life would have been a lot easier had they not chosen their own path.
So they got kicked out of daddy's house. And he cursed them on the way out. All that about childbirth and working for food.
But that wasn't really a curse was it?It was a natural consequence of their actions.
This moment, when the fruit was eaten, when they became aware... that's what we would call the birth of humans, the evolution of humans from neanderthal. And with that comes the family, where the bigger stronger males will lord over the women, childbirth should be a lot more dramatic, what with that self awareness and probably higher survival rate, and well we don't have to toil or whatever word is used, for food. The ground isn't cursed. We just chose "our way", we would rather farm, than go pick from the bounty supplied by the earth(which would have been much more before we killed everything and replaced it with concrete, btw). So, with that newfound knowledge, and that newfound discerning taste, now we have to toil in the fields to make sure we have a whole field full of wheat
Oh and yeah, I'd probably be mad if I was Lucifer. I'd be mad if I was a lot of people in the old testament
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Soccrates]
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Lucifer is the being that exists as the collective latent subconscious material in mankind accessed by entheogens. This was twisted 180 degrees by the Catholic Church to hide spiritual knowledge called the devil. Luciferian literally means that you are with the enlightenment of mankind. This comes by way of nature's drug plants as it is always time for Adam and Eve to be liberated from darkness. Also, it is always the Garden of Eden. The psychoactive plants and fungi were also Jesus' flesh and blood, or manna in the Exodus story. We are well into the transition into the Age of Aquarius. The Age of Understanding where religious thinking comes from. It starts with the mystical realization of God symbolized by Lucifer's temptatiom of Wisdom.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: yeah]
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Lucifer shows the way towards maximal excellence in one’s life.
Hell. No.
If that were the case Auschwitz-Birkenau was the finest of human achievements.
Just another twisted-up truth from an admirer of the Most Twisted.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Asante]
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Lucifer shows the way towards maximal excellence in one’s life.
Hell. No.
If that were the case Auschwitz-Birkenau was the finest of human achievements.
Just another twisted-up truth from an admirer of the Most Twisted.
Lucifer shows the way towards satisfaction of material and sensory desires. How boring.
A meditator such as yourself knows by experience that senses and perception are easily changed, manipulated, and controlled from inside and out. With enough practice it becomes possible to consciously choose how you're going to feel at any time... No need for Lucifer when you can just feel great all the time and naturally act your most excellent thanks to the wonders of neural plasticity and the CNS.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: viktor]
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I've experienced what I consider to be the satantic archetype while dosed up and I don't think you have it quite correct on what satan is about.
Satan was sad that the universe always had only one way and that karmic laws were immutable. Feeling very powerful and therefore being very powerful he said to himself that he had had enough of being a sheep and wanted to be something different to what god had intended for him. He then used his power to go against the flow or reverse it and take charge of life for himself. But he didn't realise the strength of god or karmic law and was thusly struck down. Proving perhaps that we must be nothing more than cattle to god or else perish. His rebelliousness was against universal law and thus did nothing but further put the qualities of a sinner in him. Saying this I still can't help but admire his attempt to free himself from his jailer who had (it could be said) wronged him by creation.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Grapefruit]
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Grapefruit said: his attempt to free himself from his jailer who had (it could be said) wronged him by creation.
He should have just killed himself, by that logic.
We learn by good example and by bad example. Lucifer embodies the bad example.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Asante]
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Grapefruit said: his attempt to free himself from his jailer who had (it could be said) wronged him by creation.
He should have just killed himself, by that logic.
We learn by good example and by bad example. Lucifer embodies the bad example.
Can you explain the etymology of the name?
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Asante]
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Grapefruit said: his attempt to free himself from his jailer who had (it could be said) wronged him by creation.
He should have just killed himself, by that logic.
We learn by good example and by bad example. Lucifer embodies the bad example.
I reckon you know as well as I that you can't just kill yourself. That's not a thing in creation, you just get attached to another body after being dipped in the waters of lethe and it's back onto the merry go round. Otherwise I would have done it years ago. Of course that's just my theory.
By the way the wolf fenrir is exactly the same archetype in Norse mythology. They always accorded fenrir some respect even if they didn't agree with him. Abrahamic religion is very holier than thou.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Grapefruit]
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Grapefruit said: I've experienced what I consider to be the satantic archetype while dosed up and I don't think you have it quite correct on what satan is about.
Satan was sad that the universe always had only one way and that karmic laws were immutable. Feeling very powerful and therefore being very powerful he said to himself that he had had enough of being a sheep and wanted to be something different to what god had intended for him. He then used his power to go against the flow or reverse it and take charge of life for himself. But he didn't realise the strength of god or karmic law and was thusly struck down. Proving perhaps that we must be nothing more than cattle to god or else perish. His rebelliousness was against universal law and thus did nothing but further put the qualities of a sinner in him. Saying this I still can't help but admire his attempt to free himself from his jailer who had (it could be said) wronged him by creation.
So you're basically equating Lucifer to the Buddha. He too was tired of being bound by karmic law, through many different attempts and decades of practice he self-realized a way to break free. The difference is, he actually managed to and his soul got released from the karmic cycle of life / death.
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I don't think so. The Buddha followed his own path and used his own power but for the most part he was in tune with cosmic law, just look at his commandments. No wrong doing and all that. You don't have to be friends with god. You just have to follow his laws. Neither Buddha nor Jesus were true friends to god IMO.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Grapefruit]
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Grapefruit said: I reckon you know as well as I that you can't just kill yourself. That's not a thing in creation, you just get attached to another body after being dipped in the waters of lethe and it's back onto the merry go round. Otherwise I would have done it years ago. Of course that's just my theory.
I've always strongly believed this as well.
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If you could explain a little more what you mean by this I'd be interested.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Forrester]
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Jesus was a promethean figure so his whole bag was taking care of people and sinners over taking care of god's plan. His doubts about god are expressed quite succinctly in the story of the cross "Oh father why hast thou forsaken me?". He wanted to steal the fire from the gods and give it to men. The whole humanist movement probably stems from Jesus IMO.
As to the Buddha it's kind of similar. He was more concerned with the suffering of people than any plan god might have for us. He also went his own way in saying that he was god and that all men were god if only they realised their true powers, but he never wanted to go against ethical practice in order to do so as he realised this was unhealthy and would therefore cause suffering, which was what he wanted put to an end.
Neither of them were really about themselves but about helping others and bringing peace to the land even if they didn't like the suffering of the world and saw it as an injustice.
'' First God Almighty comes with a thump on the head. Then Jesus Christ comes with a balm to heal it." - William Blake
For Satan it was more about his own interests in usurping the throne and developing powers and not about helping others. Can't help but feel sorry for him as he never realised this was going to cause his fall or he wouldn't have done it. Then as the story goes by Milton he became jealous of god and tried to convert men to his own way of developing power even though he knew that to be wrong by that point. He also believes in Miltons story that there will be a new kingdom for him and his followers which will be superior to gods kingdom and allow men full autonomy. Revelations tells us this isn't true though and that he will be cast into the lake of fire to die a permanent death to the universe.
All of it is just a story/dream though in a way i think. Although paradoxically there may be independent reality to it these are only words.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Grapefruit] 1
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So you're taking the definition of "God's plan" from the bible, pretty much?
I guess that's where I see it differently. I think what Jesus and Buddha both pretty much did was actually God's plan, at least how I would define it.
The "why hast thou forsaken me" quote I never did believe at all. For one that seemed so enlightened to say such a thing just never made sense to me. (Interestingly he addresses it in the Course in Miracles, and says the same, that he never did say that).
I dunno I guess the biblical texts have had too many men's hands all over them throughout the years for me to go by much of what's in them...
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Forrester]
#26870504 - 08/08/20 07:10 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I agree with what you've said but I also standy by what I said. A funny thing.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Grapefruit]
#26870633 - 08/08/20 08:31 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think Romans 14 is pretty spot on as it relates to this beautiful exchange that just occurred. Gentlemen among men I tell ye.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: viktor]
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: AroundtheSon]
#26870960 - 08/09/20 04:10 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Grapefruit said: I agree with what you've said but I also standy by what I said. A funny thing.
The truth nearly always lies in the middle somewhere 
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AroundtheSon said: I think Romans 14 is pretty spot on as it relates to this beautiful exchange that just occurred. Gentlemen among men I tell ye.
Had to go look that one up, it was really interesting actually. Now that I'm able to interpret things better I think I'll have to start reading more of the bible. There's some pretty mystical stuff in there if interpreted correctly I think. Unfortunately the book was mostly ruined for me at a young age by being forced to go to church...
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: yeah]
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Grapefruit said: his attempt to free himself from his jailer who had (it could be said) wronged him by creation.
He should have just killed himself, by that logic.
We learn by good example and by bad example. Lucifer embodies the bad example.
Can you explain the etymology of the name?
I know Lucifer so well I call him by his first name, "I say, hey Lou".
Sorry
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Brian Jones]
#26889454 - 08/20/20 05:11 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lucifer = Christian mythological creature.
There is no enlightenment in Christianity.
I understand why you guys are about Lucifer, because we live in the Kali Yuga.
Lucifer makes a horrible rolemodel.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Asante]
#26889613 - 08/20/20 07:33 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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”The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent His angel to show His servants what must soona take place.” ~Revelation 22:6
“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.” ~Revelation 22:16
”I am John, who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had shown me these things. But he said to me, “Do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God!” ~Revelation 22:8:9
funny fact you know whats the name of a large telescope located in Vatican? - LUCIFER
it was changed to LUCI in 2012 lol
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Asante]
#26889647 - 08/20/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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There is no enlightenment in Christianity.
But there is in Judaism and Islam? You've proselytized for both of these Abrahamist faiths in the past... have you had a change of heart or are they just superior in your view?
I'm personally not very attached to the concept of Lucifer since I've always investigated it from the perspective of him just being a Gnostic parallel to Shiva/Vishnu and the knowledge on those aspects of God are more accessible. I'm just curious about hidden knowledge, ya know? Gotta keep learning your whole life etc so why not go with what's interesting?
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Asante]
#26890122 - 08/20/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Asante said: There is no enlightenment in Christianity.
Christ consciousness, although I don't think there's much of it in the bible, is what Christian mystics generally refer to, is it not?
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Forrester] 1
#26891258 - 08/21/20 08:15 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think maybe there’s a number of people not doing their homework when it comes to the bible. It seems like a large number of people who slam it seem to blame it for their own shortcomings when it comes to comprehension. To say there is no enlightenment in the bible or Christianity is ridiculous.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Amanita86]
#26892219 - 08/21/20 06:05 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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True. I think a lot of literalist believers have given the book a bad rep to some degree. A pretty big fucking degree...
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Forrester]
#26893372 - 08/22/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I’m down with whoever’s bringing the light, fire electricity. Plus I like Jesus and the overlap there. Both figures are pretty effeminate being associated with Venus beauty and the divine feminine which encompasses us but threatens the Mr. demiurge egos existence. On second thought theyre probably more middle of the road hermaphroditic archetypes like mercury but are going to be associated with the mother simply because she has been so neglected. And you have to penetrate the mystery enough to birth those energies of which allow for lucid living. It’s a variation of the king/child mother lover myth.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Amanita86]
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I think maybe there’s a number of people not doing their homework when it comes to the bible. It seems like a large number of people who slam it seem to blame it for their own shortcomings when it comes to comprehension. To say there is no enlightenment in the bible or Christianity is ridiculous.
Many choose to dismiss and demean certain subjects because genuine deep investigation is an activity they find terrifying.
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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2Pet 1:19 (NIV) And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
Rev 2:28 (NIV) I will also give him the morning star.
Rev 22:16 (NIV) "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
Isa 14:12-15 (NIV) How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." But you are brought down to the grave, to the depths of the pit.
Lucifer is seen by Christian groups as the devil. It is nothing of the kind! Lucifer is really the name of the great angel who ensouls the human kingdom. Every human soul is an individualized part of one great oversoul. ~Benjamin Creme Lucifer (/ˈluːsɪfər/ LEW-si-fər; "light-bringer") is a Latin name for the planet Venus as the morning star in the ancient Roman era, and is often used for mythological and religious figures associated with the planet. Due to the unique movements and discontinuous appearances of Venus in the sky, mythology surrounding these figures often involved a fall from the heavens to earth or the underworld. Interpretations of a similar term in the Hebrew Bible, translated in the King James Version as "Lucifer", led to a Christian tradition of applying the name Lucifer and its associated stories of a fall from heaven to Satan. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Lucifer
          
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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: FishOilTheKid]
#26905646 - 08/29/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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How can one talk in definitive terms on what "he is" and what "he is not"? He is exactly what you want him to be and nothing else. It's a matter of choice and not of fact. You decide for yourself what certain deities represent and mean to you. And then you can use that in a way that suits you.
Claims and arguments on what he actually "is", is a simple cock measuring contest. What could be more unenlightened than that?...
Personally I have chosen to perceive the christian stories about him as a representation of knowledge. The forbidden fruit is knowledge. I.e. his fruit is the origin of knowledge. This is root of the intellect and the first step towards rising above primate herd mentality; the first step to rise above the flock. Knowledge requires independent thinking, and is not compatible with herd association, but with individuality.
Based on that view, I find the current trends of Luciferianism and the symbols and culture that go with it, rather odd. I don't see the value in using Lucifer as a gathering point for predefined cultural behavior and ideas.
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