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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: AroundtheSon]
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Grapefruit said:
I agree with what you've said but I also standy by what I said. A funny thing.


The truth nearly always lies in the middle somewhere :smile:

AroundtheSon said:
I think Romans 14 is pretty spot on as it relates to this beautiful exchange that just occurred. Gentlemen among men I tell ye.


Had to go look that one up, it was really interesting actually.  Now that I'm able to interpret things better I think I'll have to start reading more of the bible.  There's some pretty mystical stuff in there if interpreted correctly I think.  Unfortunately the book was mostly ruined for me at a young age by being forced to go to church... :lol:


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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: yeah]
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yeah said:
Asante said:
Grapefruit said:
his attempt to free himself from his jailer who had (it could be said) wronged him by creation.


He should have just killed himself, by that logic.

We learn by good example and by bad example. Lucifer embodies the bad example.


Can you explain the etymology of the name?


I know Lucifer so well I call him by his first name, "I say, hey Lou".

Sorry


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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Brian Jones]
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Lucifer = Christian mythological creature.

There is no enlightenment in Christianity.

I understand why you guys are :cophappy: about Lucifer, because we live in the Kali Yuga.

Lucifer makes a horrible rolemodel.


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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Asante]
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”The Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent His angel to show His servants what must soona take place.”
~Revelation 22:6


“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”
~Revelation 22:16

”I am John, who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had shown me these things. But he said to me, “Do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God!”
~Revelation 22:8:9

funny fact
you know whats the name of a large telescope located in Vatican? - LUCIFER

it was changed to LUCI in 2012 lol

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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
Lucifer = Christian mythological creature.

There is no enlightenment in Christianity.



But there is in Judaism and Islam? You've proselytized for both of these Abrahamist faiths in the past... have you had a change of heart or are they just superior in your view?

I'm personally not very attached to the concept of Lucifer since I've always investigated it from the perspective of him just being a Gnostic parallel to Shiva/Vishnu and the knowledge on those aspects of God are more accessible. I'm just curious about hidden knowledge, ya know? Gotta keep learning your whole life etc so why not go with what's interesting?


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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
There is no enlightenment in Christianity.



Christ consciousness, although I don't think there's much of it in the bible, is what Christian mystics generally refer to, is it not?


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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Forrester] * 1
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I think maybe there’s a number of people not doing their homework when it comes to the bible.  It seems like a large number of people who slam it seem to blame it for their own shortcomings when it comes to comprehension.  To say there is no enlightenment in the bible or Christianity is ridiculous.


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Edited by Amanita86 (08/21/20 08:20 AM)

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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Amanita86]
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True.  I think a lot of literalist believers have given the book a bad rep to some degree.  A pretty big fucking degree...


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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Forrester]
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I’m down with whoever’s bringing the light, fire electricity. Plus I like Jesus and the overlap there.  Both figures  are pretty effeminate being associated with Venus beauty and the divine feminine which encompasses us but threatens the Mr. demiurge egos existence. On second thought theyre probably more middle of the road hermaphroditic archetypes like mercury but are going to be associated with the  mother simply because she has been so neglected. And you have to penetrate the mystery enough to birth those energies of which allow for lucid living. It’s a variation of the king/child mother lover myth.

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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: Amanita86]
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Amanita86 said:
I think maybe there’s a number of people not doing their homework when it comes to the bible.  It seems like a large number of people who slam it seem to blame it for their own shortcomings when it comes to comprehension.  To say there is no enlightenment in the bible or Christianity is ridiculous.


Many choose to dismiss and demean certain subjects because genuine deep investigation is an activity they find terrifying.

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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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2Pet 1:19 (NIV) And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.

Rev 2:28 (NIV) I will also give him the morning star.

Rev 22:16 (NIV) "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

Isa 14:12-15 (NIV) How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." But you are brought down to the grave, to the depths of the pit.

Lucifer is seen by Christian groups as the devil. It is nothing of the kind! Lucifer is really the name of the great angel who ensouls the human kingdom. Every human soul is an individualized part of one great oversoul. ~Benjamin Creme
Lucifer (/ˈluːsɪfər/ LEW-si-fər; "light-bringer") is a Latin name for the planet Venus as the morning star in the ancient Roman era, and is often used for mythological and religious figures associated with the planet. Due to the unique movements and discontinuous appearances of Venus in the sky, mythology surrounding these figures often involved a fall from the heavens to earth or the underworld. Interpretations of a similar term in the Hebrew Bible, translated in the King James Version as "Lucifer", led to a Christian tradition of applying the name Lucifer and its associated stories of a fall from heaven to Satan.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Lucifer




Edited by FishOilTheKid (08/25/20 12:39 PM)

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Re: Why Lucifer is a Symbol of Enlightenment [Re: FishOilTheKid]
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How can one talk in definitive terms on what "he is" and what "he is not"?
He is exactly what you want him to be and nothing else. It's a matter of choice and not of fact.
You decide for yourself what certain deities represent and mean to you. And then you can use that in a way that suits you.

Claims and arguments on what he actually "is", is a simple cock measuring contest.
What could be more unenlightened than that?...

Personally I have chosen to perceive the christian stories about him as a representation of knowledge.
The forbidden fruit is knowledge. I.e. his fruit is the origin of knowledge.
This is root of the intellect and the first step towards rising above primate herd mentality; the first step to rise above the flock. Knowledge requires independent thinking, and is not compatible with herd association, but with individuality.

Based on that view, I find the current trends of Luciferianism and the symbols and culture that go with it, rather odd.
I don't see the value in using Lucifer as a gathering point for predefined cultural behavior and ideas.

Edited by Malkuthian (08/29/20 01:12 PM)

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