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Use of Wiccan Symbol on Veterans’ Headstones Is Approved
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Use of Wiccan Symbol on Veterans’ Headstones Is Approved

By NEELA BANERJEE
Published: April 24, 2007

WASHINGTON, April 23 — To settle a lawsuit, the Department of Veterans Affairs has agreed to add the Wiccan pentacle to a list of approved religious symbols that it will engrave on veterans’ headstones.

Sgt. Patrick Stewart's headstone now may include a pentacle.
The settlement, which was reached on Friday, was announced on Monday by Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, which represented the plaintiffs in the case.

Though it has many forms, Wicca is a type of pre-Christian belief that reveres nature and its cycles. Its symbol is the pentacle, a five-pointed star, inside a circle.

Until now, the Veterans Affairs department had approved 38 symbols to indicate the faith of deceased service members on memorials. It normally takes a few months for a petition by a faith group to win the department’s approval, but the effort on behalf of the Wiccan symbol took about 10 years and a lawsuit, said Richard B. Katskee, assistant legal director for Americans United.

The group attributed the delay to religious discrimination. Many Americans do not consider Wicca a religion, or hold the mistaken belief that Wiccans are devil worshipers.

“The Wiccan families we represented were in no way asking for special treatment,” the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United, said at a news conference Monday. “They wanted precisely the same treatment that dozens of other religions already had received from the department, an acknowledgment that their spiritual beliefs were on par with those of everyone else.”

A Veterans Affairs spokesman, Matt Burns, confirmed that the “V.A. will be adding the pentacle to its list of approved emblems of belief that will be engraved on government-provided markers.”

“The government acted to settle in the interest of the families concerned,” Mr. Burns added, “and to spare taxpayers the expense of further litigation.”

There are 1,800 Wiccans in the armed forces, according to a Pentagon survey cited in the suit, and Wiccans have their faith mentioned in official handbooks for military chaplains and noted on their dog tags.

At least 11 families will be immediately affected by the V.A.’s decision, said the Rev. Selena Fox, senior minister of Circle Sanctuary, a Wiccan church in Wisconsin.

In reviewing 30,000 pages of documents from Veterans Affairs, Americans United said, it found e-mail and memorandums referring to negative comments President Bush made about Wicca in an interview with “Good Morning America” in 1999, when he was governor of Texas. The interview had to do with a controversy at the time about Wiccan soldiers’ being allowed to worship at Fort Hood, Tex.

“I don’t think witchcraft is a religion,” Mr. Bush said at the time, according to a transcript. “I would hope the military officials would take a second look at the decision they made.”

Americans United did not assert that the White House influenced the Veterans Affairs Department. Under the settlement, Americans United had to return the documents and could not copy them, though it could make limited comments about their contents, Mr. Katskee said.

Americans United filed the lawsuit last November on behalf of several Wiccan military families. Among the plaintiffs was Roberta Stewart, whose husband, Sgt. Patrick Stewart, was killed in September 2005 in Afghanistan.

Ms. Stewart said she had tried various avenues to get the pentacle approved. Late last year, Gov. Kenny Guinn of Nevada, her home state, approved the placing of a marker with a pentacle in a Veterans Affairs cemetery in Fernley, east of Reno. But Ms. Stewart said she had continued to pursue the lawsuit because she wanted the federal government to approve the markers.

Other religious groups that have often opposed Americans United supported the effort to have the government approve the pentacle.

“I was just aghast that someone who would fight for their country and die for their country would not get the symbol he wanted on his gravestone,” said John W. Whitehead, president of the Rutherford Institute, which litigates many First Amendment cases. “It’s just overt religious discrimination.”

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Re: Use of Wiccan Symbol on Veterans’ Headstones Is Approved [Re: RoosterCogburn]
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wow, so much hassle for symbolism..


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Re: Use of Wiccan Symbol on Veterans’ Headstones Is Approved [Re: AlteredAgain]
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wow, so much hassle for oppression.. (why would somebody, or a government that supports freedom of religion, restrict what religious symbols can be placed on a tombstone unless they were offended by competition to their own religious symbols... in the case of the government, this is worrying)


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Re: Use of Wiccan Symbol on Veterans’ Headstones Is Approved [Re: Seuss]
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Burning times are back



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Re: Use of Wiccan Symbol on Veterans’ Headstones Is Approved [Re: RoosterCogburn]
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can you post a direct link to the article? I occassionally like to send articles to other people, but i can't link everyone to the shroomery, for obvious reasons...


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Re: Use of Wiccan Symbol on Veterans’ Headstones Is Approved [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
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Re: Use of Wiccan Symbol on Veterans’ Headstones Is Approved [Re: RoosterCogburn]
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no big deal, when i was in boot camp they had buddhist, muslim, catholic, protestant and wiccan services every sunday. or if you didn't want to go to any of those, you got to work kitchen duty.


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Re: Use of Wiccan Symbol on Veterans’ Headstones Is Approved [Re: RoosterCogburn]
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Well it should be. For many years now the US Armed forces recognise wicca as a serious religion, officially listed. Its only natural that if you have wiccans dying in your pointless wars, you allow them to bear the sign of their religion on their tombstones.


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Re: Use of Wiccan Symbol on Veterans’ Headstones Is Approved [Re: Asante]
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well, the C-in-C did sorta come out agin' it, now didn't 'e?

& good for the pagan community, sez i, & good for 'murrika...

& i did see a priestess from wis-kon-sin, on aol this mornin' & a'wearin' her star...

& the image o' the headstone of a soldier, some'at ago killed in far afghan-stan, bein' adorn'd now wi' the mark o' his faith...

blessed be & namaste...


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Re: Use of Wiccan Symbol on Veterans’ Headstones Is Approved [Re: gnrm23]
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I was just thinking about you yesterday, gnrm23, wondering where the hell you've been. :grin:


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Re: Use of Wiccan Symbol on Veterans’ Headstones Is Approved [Re: RoosterCogburn]
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I swear they put fluff like that story in the news to mislead people about the true nature of things.
now when people see my Pentagrams, they'll think "oh, he must be Wiccan." which is totally untrue.

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Re: Use of Wiccan Symbol on Veterans’ Headstones Is Approved [Re: Middleman]
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Middleman said:
I swear they put stuff like this in the news to mislead people about the true nature of things.
now when people see my Pentagrams, they'll think "oh, he must be Wiccan." which is totally untrue.



I think that it is possible that, even if there are older applications of the symbol, unrelated meanings associated with it, the fact remains that this particular religion utilizes the symbol in its practice. I think the news is simply reporting the facts of the situation regarding the struggle to have it be an approved symbol on headstones.


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Re: Use of Wiccan Symbol on Veterans’ Headstones Is Approved [Re: fireworks_god]
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HAIL ERIS

ALL HAIL DISCORDIA

Any news on when the sacred chao will be approved?

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Re: Use of Wiccan Symbol on Veterans’ Headstones Is Approved [Re: koppie]
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I can't wait until they approve this religious symbol:

:crankey:

:lol:


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Re: Use of Wiccan Symbol on Veterans’ Headstones Is Approved [Re: RoosterCogburn]
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The pentacle is a druidic symbol that maps the forty year cycle of venus as seen from the earth.


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Re: Use of Wiccan Symbol on Veterans’ Headstones Is Approved [Re: Hanky]
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Does the FSM have a symbol? An eye patch hanging from a pentagram nailed to a cross, or something like that?


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Re: Use of Wiccan Symbol on Veterans’ Headstones Is Approved [Re: Seuss]
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Re: Use of Wiccan Symbol on Veterans’ Headstones Is Approved [Re: Ythan]
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www.subgenius.com

yah, praise-bob, innit?

(& triple yer money back...)


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