akira_akuma said:

but yeah, the cross...also relatively Prometheus-like, as it's essentially the sign of "the light-bearer", ie, two sticks make fire, and fire is the light.

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viktor said:

When everything is in a state of perfect order, nothing can ever change or go forwards, and this is tantamount to death for anyone who is not afraid of the feminine principle in her manifestation as chaos.

Therefore, as fallen angel, Lucifer most fairly represents someone who rejected the sterile purity and bubble-wrapped certainty of Heaven for the brutal, wild-eyed insanity of the World.

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LRG said:

"Let them alone; they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.” Matthew 15:14

Many pieces of scripture talk against being "blind" but to have an "open mind."

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"People are blind, hence they need god to lead them". What a cynical bastard. But hey, so am I. People do need a leader...

An open mind to gods "mysterious ways"?

viktor said:

[...] He represents the masculine light of consciousness [...]

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Summary
According to the Bible, Eve was the first to heed Satan’s advice to eat of the forbidden fruit. The notion of woman as the Devil’s accomplice is prominent throughout the history of Christianity. During the nineteenth century, rebellious females performed counter-readings of this misogynist tradition. Hereby, Lucifer was reconceptualised as a feminist liberator of womankind, and Eve became a heroine. In these reimaginings, Satan is an ally in the struggle against a patriarchy supported by God the Father and his male priests.

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BlueCoyote said:

Lucifer tries to bind our mind to the material reality.
That's what was promised to be his realm.
The light is the full light of the creator, but Lucifer likes to stand in front of it, casting a shadow on the material realm by substracting away the 'direct' light. All we perceive is indirect light.
Satan proclaims it to be his light, because all the additional light (spirit) is only a blinding or distortion.
And as Satan is still jealous on us humans, he wants to make us unworthy, in g*d's' eye(s), to have(/get back) the dominant power over this material realm called earth.

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Fennario said:

ourselves up to be plagued by the ones we view as bad, and that can have a negative impact on our psyche.

I like this quote of Jung's.

"If one approaches the unconscious, it loses its dangerous aspect, and what has been entirely negative becomes positive.  One sees that from dreams.  One often has dreams which seem destructive and evil, the thing one cannot accept, but is merely due to the fact that ones conscious attitude is wrong.  If one says "It seems quite black, but perhaps I must accept it", instantly the thing changes colors, it becomes compatible with consciousness"

-Jung

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Everything has its polarities and opposites. their is the positive and negative aspects of lucifer. lucifer truly is the world. but through the world man makes or breaks himself, to put it short. The world is the only place where 'the soul is suspended from heaven to contemplate its unreality to be rewarded the supreme gift of self realization.'
lucifer and the snake, the dragon, etc are a great symbol because dragons can kill you. but through conquering the dragon do you reach self realization. the world can devour you and has done so time and time again.. The weighing of the heart against the feather of truth. if fail fed to typhon(embodiment/the world)
through the world do you prove your virtue and capacity for truth. but through the world do you lose all of virtue and capacity as well. it is the polarity that we must choose and are gifted free will to choose.

I dont think any symbolism is fixed. all of these allegories and symbols are different interpretations of the same thing, and will be interpreted differently by each person who contemplates them.
The gnostics showed to believe that when The Grand Architect or The Mind/All/etc thought of the universe, to fashion it, the equivalent exchange or reaction to action through separation of 1 All into multitudes was the bits or fragments of the divine mind being scattered all throughout the universe and being cloaked in shadow. human beings are the bridges to rediscover the divine creator through darkness. eventually moving forward to entire unity again to complete the cycle once all fragments collected together in harmony and unity.. or something along those lines.

I think that our minds reflect the minds of the all. God is as fucked up as we are, all reflections on reality are a reflection of the divine mind, even the inversion of lucifer and the physical world. i think as we struggle to better ourselves and find the answers god is doing the same through us.

But ultimately these higher cycles and machinations are so outside of the human capacity that i dont think we will ever know. we are just a small part of the motion of divinity.

BlueCoyote said:

Lucifer tries to bind our mind to the material reality.
That's what was promised to be his realm.
The light is the full light of the creator, but Lucifer likes to stand in front of it, casting a shadow on the material realm by substracting away the 'direct' light. All we perceive is indirect light.
Satan proclaims it to be his light, because all the additional light (spirit) is only a blinding or distortion.
And as Satan is still jealous on us humans, he wants to make us unworthy, in g*d's' eye(s), to have(/get back) the dominant power over this material realm called earth.

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akira_akuma said:

BlueCoyote said:

Lucifer tries to bind our mind to the material reality.
That's what was promised to be his realm.
The light is the full light of the creator, but Lucifer likes to stand in front of it, casting a shadow on the material realm by substracting away the 'direct' light. All we perceive is indirect light.
Satan proclaims it to be his light, because all the additional light (spirit) is only a blinding or distortion.
And as Satan is still jealous on us humans, he wants to make us unworthy, in g*d's' eye(s), to have(/get back) the dominant power over this material realm called earth.

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Satan =/= Lucifer

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