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Pit Bulls
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If this thread has already been presented previously, my bad. I don't know if a lot of people are aware but the term pitbull refers to multiple breeds which contributes to the number of times you hear about attacks. I'm wondering how many people here truly believe that pit bulls are inherently aggressive. The nature vs. nurture debate is always entertaining to me. I look forward to answers. Hope you are all having a good day.


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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: Alexthegreat] * 1
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Some of the sweetest dogs I have known were huge male pit bulls.

The only one I have known to be violent was a girl dog and was raised by a heroin addict.


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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: Alexthegreat] * 1
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It's all on the owner.

I do however believe a dog breed bread for fighting is more dangerous than say my lab.

It's just genetics IMO. 

I like all dogs if they are well behaved.


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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: Alexthegreat]
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I watched one rip apart and gut a teacup yorkie upon arriving at a dog park while the owner of the yorkie screamed in horror trying to get it to stop, scary shit, i still love them and would of got one if i wasnt living with my parents when i bought my aussie, they think theyre evil by nature and said a pit would never be allowed inside their house

I think its a mixture of things like the way theyre bred or how theyre raised and other reasons. Before pitbulls it was doberman pinchers, german shephards, rottweilers, theres always one in the spotlight but eventually people move on from it just for another to take its place. No breed is inherently bad but every breed has bad dogs.

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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: musiclover420]
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There you go. I take my dog to the dog park and the more "aggressive" breeds I've noticed are Dalmatians, Full Size Poodles, and Boxers. I am a firm believer it does come down to nurture but I acknowledge that there are dogs that I observe that have a tendency to be more territorial or protective of their owners. Dogs personalities are just like people, they vary. I see the pit bulls and pit bull mixes running around having a good time. There is an elderly couple who goes there and said that for the last 30 years of their marriage they have only owned pit bulls because they are intelligent and obedient. They have a 60lb blue nose that could drag them around mercilessly, but walks by their side no problem.


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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
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You said it perfectly in that last sentence. I witnessed a chow shake around a Yorkie at the dog park as well. Although I didn't see the initial part of the altercation, I have a feeling the little dog was the agitator. I have seen multiple breeds draw blood on other dogs and I know a part of it has to do with establishing dominance. I don't think dogs have the ability to discriminate but I could be wrong.


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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: impatientguy]
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I don't understand the belief that a breed that was used by irresponsible, trash, garbage people, at any time has to do with the same breed of dog today that comes from a different blood line let alone time frame. I respect it though. I have a half pit who is very even tempered, with the exception of when she is in heat. She has never bitten anyone. Her mom is akc registered, and I was told came from a very long line of APBT's. According to the theory that dogs bred for fighting in the past could pass on aggressive genes insinuate that her mom, who is also a loving dog who has never bit anyone possibly has a greater chance of being aggressive. Does that sound right or can you offer a different perspective?


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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: Alexthegreat]
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I think dogs who are bred to hunt love hunting.

I think dogs who were bred to herd love herding.

I think dogs who were bred to fight like to fight.

But...

My dogs are well behaved because of me, and not because of their breed.

So I believe it comes down the the owner. It's not the dogs fault if it's a shitty dog it's the owners fault.

Bad owner!
Bad!


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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: impatientguy]
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Pit bulls weren't ever meant to be fighting dogs.


It's all on the owner.  If you're a piece of shit, most likely your dog is treated like shit and will have bad tendencies.


I'd rescue a pit bull in a heart beat, they are sweet animals who really need help


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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: Herbologist]
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Actually they were bred to be fighting dogs.

This is from wiki

I could bring up a few more articles from some other sources if your not convinced.


Here:"Pit bulls were created by breeding bulldogs and terriers together to produce a dog that combined the gameness and agility of the terrier with the strength of the bulldog.[3] In the United Kingdom, these dogs were used in blood sports such as bull-baiting, bear-baiting and cock fighting. These blood sports were officially eliminated in 1835 as Britain began to introduce animal welfare laws. Since dogfights were cheaper to organize and far easier to conceal from the law than bull or bear baits, blood sport proponents turned to pitting their dogs against each other instead. Dog fighting was used as both a blood sport (often involving gambling) and a way to continue to test the quality of their stock. For decades afterwards, dog fighting clandestinely took place in small areas of Britain and America. In the early 20th century pit bulls were used as catch dogs in America for semi-wild cattle and hogs, to hunt, and drive livestock, and as family companions.[3] Some have been selectively bred for their fighting prowess.[4][5]"


Doesn't mean they are bad but that is what they were bred for.
I agree it's up to the owner to train your dog properly.

I think if I raised a pitbull it would be nice and listen well. It wouldn't fight my other dogs or anything I'm fairly certain.


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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: impatientguy]
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Idk, that sounds more like they were bread for inhumane hunting and than piece's of shit decided to just fight them against each other when they couldn't hunt anymore.  Sad either way :sad:


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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: Herbologist] * 1
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Yeah I don't get how people could do that to any animal. It's really disappointing and somewhat scary that people are capable of being evil like that.

I'm a firm believer in taking good care of your animals. If your gunna own one you need to step up to the plate.


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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: Alexthegreat]
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Without a doubt a large part of the danger is the breed. Even the ones that you say are the sweetest dog occasionally get triggered. Remember it only takes one incident. Pitbulls have a jaw that's oversized and they tend to really lock in once they get started moreso then other dogs. Look up the amount of incidents with pitbulls compared to other dogs, even when you account for asshole owners the seperation between other breeds is unreasonable.You're nevver  gonna get that level of bullshit from a smart, chill dog like a Golden retriever, even if you abuse them.

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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: Love_spirit]
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everyone says their pitbull is the sweetest til they maul some kid or another dog. Pitbulls were definitely bred to be more aggressive. I have no doubt the proper training and love can make them good dogs, and I have no doubt poor training can also make them bad dogs, but to think there isn't different manerisms/aggression levels between breeds of dogs is just being ignorant.


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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: danielx]
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danielx said:
but to think there isn't different manerisms/aggression levels between breeds of dogs is just being ignorant.


I don't think anyone has denied that. It also varies from individual to individual regardless of breed...

I have known more pit bulls in my life then any other kind of dog and only one ever became violent and like I said that one was raised by a junky...

I have known huge aggressive male pit bulls that would be super friendly and gentle with kids as long as the kids were with them just like most dogs :shrug:

Plenty of other species of dogs can be just as aggressive, even small notoriously mellow dogs can get violent in a bad environment.


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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: musiclover420]
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Yeah, actually, many people say that everytime this exact thread gets made on the shroomery. Pitbull owners love to say its all because of shitty owners and the breed itself isnt more aggressive.


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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: danielx]
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I have never actually owned a pit bull myself but I have been around them all my life and have known many over the years.

Pit bull owners probably feel the need to defend their dogs as many people view the whole breed as vicious killers which is ridiculous...


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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: musiclover420]
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I will agree that certain dogs have innate qualities about them. Most Aussies and Heelers in my experience love to herd even though they have not been trained at all. Terriers and daschunds enjoy digging and barking because they were trained to do that for a specific purpose, to find varmin. Just like some sharks are more aggressive than others, bull sharks for example, haha, have to do with their genetics physiologically. Bull sharks are the most aggressive because of their higher levels of testosterone. No one taught bull sharks to be more aggressive. They would probably be even more ruthless if it were possible to train them. Maybe it is? Dunno. I think maybe it would be interesting to see if pit bulls have more testosterone in correlation to their body size. Larger mandibles were the reason that they were not only unfairly taken advantage of by dickless people, but why they were also used in regards to livestock as wiki said. I think however any dog can snap, regardless of breed.
I don't think that pit bulls are likely to snap more so than other dogs though because of my limited experience with the breed. You can read whatever on the internet but I believe it is because of media hype plus the number of breeds referred to as Pitbull that they get such an awful rep.


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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: Alexthegreat]
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Alexthegreat said:
If this thread has already been presented previously, my bad. I don't know if a lot of people are aware but the term pitbull refers to multiple breeds which contributes to the number of times you hear about attacks. I'm wondering how many people here truly believe that pit bulls are inherently aggressive. The nature vs. nurture debate is always entertaining to me. I look forward to answers. Hope you are all having a good day.




what do you believe, do you believe it is genetic or do you believe it's in how
they're raised, can this also apply to humans? surely if there is an aggression
gene then it's not totally lost in humans since we kill at far greater rates


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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: impatientguy]
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impatientguy said:
Actually they were bred to be fighting dogs.

This is from wiki

I could bring up a few more articles from some other sources if your not convinced.


Here:"Pit bulls were created by breeding bulldogs and terriers together to produce a dog that combined the gameness and agility of the terrier with the strength of the bulldog.[3] In the United Kingdom, these dogs were used in blood sports such as bull-baiting, bear-baiting and cock fighting. These blood sports were officially eliminated in 1835 as Britain began to introduce animal welfare laws. Since dogfights were cheaper to organize and far easier to conceal from the law than bull or bear baits, blood sport proponents turned to pitting their dogs against each other instead. Dog fighting was used as both a blood sport (often involving gambling) and a way to continue to test the quality of their stock. For decades afterwards, dog fighting clandestinely took place in small areas of Britain and America. In the early 20th century pit bulls were used as catch dogs in America for semi-wild cattle and hogs, to hunt, and drive livestock, and as family companions.[3] Some have been selectively bred for their fighting prowess.[4][5]"


Doesn't mean they are bad but that is what they were bred for.
I agree it's up to the owner to train your dog properly.

I think if I raised a pitbull it would be nice and listen well. It wouldn't fight my other dogs or anything I'm fairly certain.



what that says is that they were bred for certain traits and those traits allowed
people to exploit them for blood sports such as bull baiting


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