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If this thread has already been presented previously, my bad. I don't know if a lot of people are aware but the term pitbull refers to multiple breeds which contributes to the number of times you hear about attacks. I'm wondering how many people here truly believe that pit bulls are inherently aggressive. The nature vs. nurture debate is always entertaining to me. I look forward to answers. Hope you are all having a good day.
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Some of the sweetest dogs I have known were huge male pit bulls.
The only one I have known to be violent was a girl dog and was raised by a heroin addict.
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It's all on the owner.
I do however believe a dog breed bread for fighting is more dangerous than say my lab.
It's just genetics IMO.
I like all dogs if they are well behaved.
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I watched one rip apart and gut a teacup yorkie upon arriving at a dog park while the owner of the yorkie screamed in horror trying to get it to stop, scary shit, i still love them and would of got one if i wasnt living with my parents when i bought my aussie, they think theyre evil by nature and said a pit would never be allowed inside their house
I think its a mixture of things like the way theyre bred or how theyre raised and other reasons. Before pitbulls it was doberman pinchers, german shephards, rottweilers, theres always one in the spotlight but eventually people move on from it just for another to take its place. No breed is inherently bad but every breed has bad dogs.
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There you go. I take my dog to the dog park and the more "aggressive" breeds I've noticed are Dalmatians, Full Size Poodles, and Boxers. I am a firm believer it does come down to nurture but I acknowledge that there are dogs that I observe that have a tendency to be more territorial or protective of their owners. Dogs personalities are just like people, they vary. I see the pit bulls and pit bull mixes running around having a good time. There is an elderly couple who goes there and said that for the last 30 years of their marriage they have only owned pit bulls because they are intelligent and obedient. They have a 60lb blue nose that could drag them around mercilessly, but walks by their side no problem.
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You said it perfectly in that last sentence. I witnessed a chow shake around a Yorkie at the dog park as well. Although I didn't see the initial part of the altercation, I have a feeling the little dog was the agitator. I have seen multiple breeds draw blood on other dogs and I know a part of it has to do with establishing dominance. I don't think dogs have the ability to discriminate but I could be wrong.
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I don't understand the belief that a breed that was used by irresponsible, trash, garbage people, at any time has to do with the same breed of dog today that comes from a different blood line let alone time frame. I respect it though. I have a half pit who is very even tempered, with the exception of when she is in heat. She has never bitten anyone. Her mom is akc registered, and I was told came from a very long line of APBT's. According to the theory that dogs bred for fighting in the past could pass on aggressive genes insinuate that her mom, who is also a loving dog who has never bit anyone possibly has a greater chance of being aggressive. Does that sound right or can you offer a different perspective?
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I think dogs who are bred to hunt love hunting.
I think dogs who were bred to herd love herding.
I think dogs who were bred to fight like to fight.
But...
My dogs are well behaved because of me, and not because of their breed.
So I believe it comes down the the owner. It's not the dogs fault if it's a shitty dog it's the owners fault.
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Pit bulls weren't ever meant to be fighting dogs.
It's all on the owner. If you're a piece of shit, most likely your dog is treated like shit and will have bad tendencies.
I'd rescue a pit bull in a heart beat, they are sweet animals who really need help
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Actually they were bred to be fighting dogs.
This is from wiki
I could bring up a few more articles from some other sources if your not convinced.
Here:"Pit bulls were created by breeding bulldogs and terriers together to produce a dog that combined the gameness and agility of the terrier with the strength of the bulldog.[3] In the United Kingdom, these dogs were used in blood sports such as bull-baiting, bear-baiting and cock fighting. These blood sports were officially eliminated in 1835 as Britain began to introduce animal welfare laws. Since dogfights were cheaper to organize and far easier to conceal from the law than bull or bear baits, blood sport proponents turned to pitting their dogs against each other instead. Dog fighting was used as both a blood sport (often involving gambling) and a way to continue to test the quality of their stock. For decades afterwards, dog fighting clandestinely took place in small areas of Britain and America. In the early 20th century pit bulls were used as catch dogs in America for semi-wild cattle and hogs, to hunt, and drive livestock, and as family companions.[3] Some have been selectively bred for their fighting prowess.[4][5]"
Doesn't mean they are bad but that is what they were bred for. I agree it's up to the owner to train your dog properly.
I think if I raised a pitbull it would be nice and listen well. It wouldn't fight my other dogs or anything I'm fairly certain.
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Idk, that sounds more like they were bread for inhumane hunting and than piece's of shit decided to just fight them against each other when they couldn't hunt anymore. Sad either way
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Yeah I don't get how people could do that to any animal. It's really disappointing and somewhat scary that people are capable of being evil like that.
I'm a firm believer in taking good care of your animals. If your gunna own one you need to step up to the plate.
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Without a doubt a large part of the danger is the breed. Even the ones that you say are the sweetest dog occasionally get triggered. Remember it only takes one incident. Pitbulls have a jaw that's oversized and they tend to really lock in once they get started moreso then other dogs. Look up the amount of incidents with pitbulls compared to other dogs, even when you account for asshole owners the seperation between other breeds is unreasonable.You're nevver gonna get that level of bullshit from a smart, chill dog like a Golden retriever, even if you abuse them.
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everyone says their pitbull is the sweetest til they maul some kid or another dog. Pitbulls were definitely bred to be more aggressive. I have no doubt the proper training and love can make them good dogs, and I have no doubt poor training can also make them bad dogs, but to think there isn't different manerisms/aggression levels between breeds of dogs is just being ignorant.
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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: danielx]
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danielx said: but to think there isn't different manerisms/aggression levels between breeds of dogs is just being ignorant.
I don't think anyone has denied that. It also varies from individual to individual regardless of breed...
I have known more pit bulls in my life then any other kind of dog and only one ever became violent and like I said that one was raised by a junky...
I have known huge aggressive male pit bulls that would be super friendly and gentle with kids as long as the kids were with them just like most dogs 
Plenty of other species of dogs can be just as aggressive, even small notoriously mellow dogs can get violent in a bad environment.
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Yeah, actually, many people say that everytime this exact thread gets made on the shroomery. Pitbull owners love to say its all because of shitty owners and the breed itself isnt more aggressive.
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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: danielx]
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I have never actually owned a pit bull myself but I have been around them all my life and have known many over the years.
Pit bull owners probably feel the need to defend their dogs as many people view the whole breed as vicious killers which is ridiculous...
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I will agree that certain dogs have innate qualities about them. Most Aussies and Heelers in my experience love to herd even though they have not been trained at all. Terriers and daschunds enjoy digging and barking because they were trained to do that for a specific purpose, to find varmin. Just like some sharks are more aggressive than others, bull sharks for example, haha, have to do with their genetics physiologically. Bull sharks are the most aggressive because of their higher levels of testosterone. No one taught bull sharks to be more aggressive. They would probably be even more ruthless if it were possible to train them. Maybe it is? Dunno. I think maybe it would be interesting to see if pit bulls have more testosterone in correlation to their body size. Larger mandibles were the reason that they were not only unfairly taken advantage of by dickless people, but why they were also used in regards to livestock as wiki said. I think however any dog can snap, regardless of breed. I don't think that pit bulls are likely to snap more so than other dogs though because of my limited experience with the breed. You can read whatever on the internet but I believe it is because of media hype plus the number of breeds referred to as Pitbull that they get such an awful rep.
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Alexthegreat said: If this thread has already been presented previously, my bad. I don't know if a lot of people are aware but the term pitbull refers to multiple breeds which contributes to the number of times you hear about attacks. I'm wondering how many people here truly believe that pit bulls are inherently aggressive. The nature vs. nurture debate is always entertaining to me. I look forward to answers. Hope you are all having a good day.
what do you believe, do you believe it is genetic or do you believe it's in how they're raised, can this also apply to humans? surely if there is an aggression gene then it's not totally lost in humans since we kill at far greater rates
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impatientguy said: Actually they were bred to be fighting dogs.
This is from wiki
I could bring up a few more articles from some other sources if your not convinced.
Here:"Pit bulls were created by breeding bulldogs and terriers together to produce a dog that combined the gameness and agility of the terrier with the strength of the bulldog.[3] In the United Kingdom, these dogs were used in blood sports such as bull-baiting, bear-baiting and cock fighting. These blood sports were officially eliminated in 1835 as Britain began to introduce animal welfare laws. Since dogfights were cheaper to organize and far easier to conceal from the law than bull or bear baits, blood sport proponents turned to pitting their dogs against each other instead. Dog fighting was used as both a blood sport (often involving gambling) and a way to continue to test the quality of their stock. For decades afterwards, dog fighting clandestinely took place in small areas of Britain and America. In the early 20th century pit bulls were used as catch dogs in America for semi-wild cattle and hogs, to hunt, and drive livestock, and as family companions.[3] Some have been selectively bred for their fighting prowess.[4][5]"
Doesn't mean they are bad but that is what they were bred for. I agree it's up to the owner to train your dog properly.
I think if I raised a pitbull it would be nice and listen well. It wouldn't fight my other dogs or anything I'm fairly certain.
what that says is that they were bred for certain traits and those traits allowed people to exploit them for blood sports such as bull baiting
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I believe it is nurture. I think the past is the past personally. Whatever the origins of the breed or what it was bred for is the past is not relevant today. My dad is terrified of pit bulls because he "had a friend" or whatever and got caught up in the media hype. It saddens me. I challenge the nature side of the argument people to go to a dog park and observe, maybe talk to other dog owners and get their opinions. I believe people have the right to feel the way they do but I just think there is a lot of ignorance being spred by the sheep people in this world.
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Imo theyre the same aggresive wise with just about any other dog their size(except chows theyre crazy). Its their strength that makes them scary to novice dog owners.
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what that says is that they were bred for certain traits and those traits allowed people to exploit them for blood sports such as bull baiting
Ya that's what I said.
They were bred that way so they could be used for fighting.
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what that says is that they were bred for certain traits and those traits allowed people to exploit them for blood sports such as bull baiting
Ya that's what I said.
They were bred that way so they could be used for fighting.
no, that's not what you said. you said they were bred for fighting
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Bad owner with bad poodle....annoying. Bad owner with bad pit....dangerous. This is why they have the rep if they snap it's on.
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I've been a rehab/rescue volunteer for Pit Bulls abandoned in N. Mexico after being fighting dogs. The nature vs. nurture argument is besides the point. Sure, a chihuauha is actually more "nippy" "tempermental" and aggresive on a bad day but it doesn't have jaws the width of a medium sized crocodile, teeth like daggers and the strength/endurance/durability (etc.) of a...pit bull. It's the same logic which applies to full auto weapons. I've had Pit's live with me that were "big babies" but even if they bit you playfully in a rough-housing way you would have been getting stitches and if they latched onto your arm or leg you would have had to shoot them through the skull then saw through the backs of their heads to remove the lower jaw from their skulls to free your appendage. Personally, I wouldn't own one I had kids.
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pineninja said: Bad owner with bad poodle....annoying. Bad owner with bad pit....dangerous. This is why they have the rep if they snap it's on.
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I didn't realise that looking up google photo's makes you an expert. The difference between that poodle and a pit is a locking jaw .
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Oh ok a pitbull bite is the same as a poodles.
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pineninja said: Oh ok a pitbull bite is the same as a poodles.
I have known smaller pitbulls and there are bigger more vicous poodles some could be around even honestly but what do I know
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Whether it be through mechanism or intent when attacking they go straight for the throat lock on and don't let go. On of the most intelligent personality filled dogs I've seen was a pit, wouldn't harm a fly. I have also seen a pit injure a collie so bad it had to be euthanized. My dog has also been set upon by a pit that broke free amd made a B line straight at her from 100 yards got there just before I did, lucky it was muzzled because it went straight for the kill. Neither the dog or the owner will be back. I've always had dogs, I am constantly at leash free areas where every breed possible is there, most of the time it's fine a few incidents as you would expect with all different breeds. The pits are another level of ferocity and strength if you have seen one attack to kill you won't forget it.
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pineninja said: if you have seen one attack to kill you won't forget it.
I feel like that would be true about a lot of bigger/ burlier dogs honestly, wolf dogs are a great example.
They can be ruthless but are also some of the most intelligent and caring animals I have met.
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I agree it would be memorable for sure and any breed is capable of attacking to maime or kill. ime I've never seen another breed attack to kill like that but ime I have seen pits do it 3 times now.
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German Shepard's are more ferocious plus pit bulls were bred for hunting not fighting ??? Actually American bulldogs are used more for fighting and staffordshire bull terriers are used because they are short dogs and can get the throat easier I've always had pits and never once have they attacked without a reason ... they are territorial just like any dog and if they have starved they will attack other dogs if they go by their food and the dogs you see attack people more then likely something reminded them of their owner who may have abused them ... just like people .... basically you're afraid of a pit because you seen a few be aggressive I bet if you got drunk and did some stupid shit you blame it on the alcohol too huh?
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Sucks youve had so much bad experiences with pits but I believe they have a higher ratio of owners using them in neglectful ways leading to a higher rate of attacks when compared to other breeds. Also sounds like the pits youve had run-ins with were being used and werent pets. If you ever see a rott or german shep get in a fight they do the go for the neck thing too its not just them.
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I agree with both of you except for not going for the throat. I've seen it and that's what they did. I also stated above that one of the best dogs I've seen was a pit my arguement is not that they can't be good it's that their bad is worse than others.
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pineninja said: I agree it would be memorable for sure and any breed is capable of attacking to maime or kill. ime I've never seen another breed attack to kill like that but ime I have seen pits do it 3 times now.
The only breed of dog I've seen "attack to kill" was what I believe to be a pit, or, a least, pit bull type of dog. It ran straight across a road and clamped it's jaw around the throat of an Alsation twice it's size.
The only thing that saved the Alsation was the thick leather collar it was wearing, and that I was alerted by the shout of the neighbour that was walking his dog, on it's lead, and was able to grab the attacking dog and hold onto it by it's collar untill the moronic cunt that owned the fucking thing, a stereotypical 'black ghetto wannabe gangsta' piece of shit cunt, sauntered up, wearing jeans at something approximating half mast, to retrieve his dog and leave as if nothing had happened.
But then: I'd have all dogs, and seeing as an outright ban on all dogs in residential areas is unlikely, due to political cowardice, muzzled (must be the liberal in me) when in any public space with confiscation and Euthenising of any and all dogs caught in breech of such law.
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Well there you go a black ghetto piece of shit gangster wannabe owned it I bet he let it off the leash for it I would of kicked the owners ass a black dude did that shit to a friend of mines dog opened his front door and let him out with little being said that black dude ended up with a severed leg and his dog was put out before he got across the street ... I'm not saying they don't attack but people always putting down pits is ridiculous I have a 100lb Colby blue nose and take him and my kids to the park I've had people come up and ask me to leave ... which I just laugh while my daughter is hanging on him yet I've seen "family dogs" nip and try to bite kids but in "societies " eyes it was just a mistake
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Your dog is trained to protect your daughter and other parents in the park would know this, doesn't mean they'd want their children copying such playfulness as your daughter with dogs, including yours. Fact is, a dogs temperament can turn on a sixpence and if a child happens to be present at the time they become little more than prey. I'm sorry, but as far as I'm concerned the pleasure that all dog lovers combined, get from their pets, is not worth one single child being savaged.
I will repeat. At the very least, all dogs should be muzzled when out in a public area. Just my opinion. I know full well the cowardly cunts that put themselves up for election would never stand on such a platform, so you're quite safe to continue walking your dog, without a muzzle and endangering the public, until the day it 'sees a sixpence, and turns on it' Then you lose your dog.
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There is a very large amount of pit bulls in the population because of irresponsible breeding. It has to do with part of the reason so many pit bull attacks are reported. Go to a humane society or pound, I guarantee you will see more pits than any other dog. A lot of owners of pit bulls are people in certain income levels. These people who own these dogs are more than likely less educated, have easy access to pit bulls, don't know or care how to train a dog, and are very easily influenced by society. With easy access to the breed and the owners wanting to uphold a certain ghetto or thug reputation, it is inevitable the dogs will get a bad rep condisdeit who is holding the leash. I'm not sayin all pit bull owners are uneducated and ignorant but let's face it, what is the first thing that pops into your mind when you think about the owners of pit bulls? Thanks to dickless Michael Vick, the majority of the people are going to imagine the most ignorant. These dogs are straight stereotyped and discriminated against. #pitlivesmatter hahah jk.
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Ive met so many pitbulls nd they are always th nicest dogs
i dont think Ive ever met a mean and aggresive pitbull before tbh
sure some are mean but they have bad owners and for some reasn people just like to focus on the negative even tho theres so much positive in pitbulls
i met a female pitbull last weekend and it was such a nice dog
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To a degree. Yes. I see all dogs as potentially dangerous due to their unpredictability. I don't know if a dog running towards me wants to play or is going to jump up and take a chunk out of me, and no, before the inevitable idiot that posts to tell me, 'you can tell a dogs intention by it's demeanour.' No. I am not a fucking dog psychiatrist.
What are your objections to using muzzels?
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Why do they need a muzzle if theyre already on a leash and under control? Dogs cant freely run at you unless they arent on a leash which they should have on in any public setting
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I feel like that would be true about a lot of bigger/ burlier dogs honestly, wolf dogs are a great example.
They can be ruthless but are also some of the most intelligent and caring animals I have met.
every large dog breed has held the reputation of being a vicious killer, when I was a kid we had dobermans, the 60s and 70s were filled with nonsense about them, one of the more popular rumors was that their brains would swell causing them to go crazy and attack their owners. in my early teens I was hearing stories about how the chow chow were vicious and would turn on their owners and I did in fact see one of these dogs try to attack it's owner, I also saw the dog being mistreated every day. I've also seen these claims made about rottweilers and of course now it's pitbulls and their "locking jaws". apparently back in the 50s the german shepherd held the reputation of being nothing bu a vicious attack dog
so why exactly do these animals have these bad reputations? because there's always some chicken shit pecker heads are afraid of larger breeds and as a breed becomes popular people that have no business owning or breeding hamsters ends up with these dogs, they inevitably end up untrained and mistreated and someone gets bit and after that the retarded alarmists that are terrified of dogs make up the silly claims of shit like locking jaws or swelling brains and other gullible, ignorant people believe it and spread it in order to justify their own fears of dogs
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because he's afraid of dogs
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Alexthegreat said: So from what I've read, you believe walking dogs in public is dangerous?
To a degree. Yes. I see all dogs as potentially dangerous due to their unpredictability. I don't know if a dog running towards me wants to play or is going to jump up and take a chunk out of me, and no, before the inevitable idiot that posts to tell me, 'you can tell a dogs intention by it's demeanour.' No. I am not a fucking dog psychiatrist.
What are your objections to using muzzels?
Dogs pant to release heat. If their mouth is mussled how will they pant properly?
Carry a knife if your scarred of animal attacks. Sue the owner.
Don't walk like a victim and no single dog will ever attack you.
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I feel like that would be true about a lot of bigger/ burlier dogs honestly, wolf dogs are a great example.
They can be ruthless but are also some of the most intelligent and caring animals I have met.
every large dog breed has held the reputation of being a vicious killer, when I was a kid we had dobermans, the 60s and 70s were filled with nonsense about them, one of the more popular rumors was that their brains would swell causing them to go crazy and attack their owners. in my early teens I was hearing stories about how the chow chow were vicious and would turn on their owners and I did in fact see one of these dogs try to attack it's owner, I also saw the dog being mistreated every day. I've also seen these claims made about rottweilers and of course now it's pitbulls and their "locking jaws". apparently back in the 50s the german shepherd held the reputation of being nothing bu a vicious attack dog
so why exactly do these animals have these bad reputations? because there's always some chicken shit pecker heads are afraid of larger breeds and as a breed becomes popular people that have no business owning or breeding hamsters ends up with these dogs, they inevitably end up untrained and mistreated and someone gets bit and after that the retarded alarmists that are terrified of dogs make up the silly claims of shit like locking jaws or swelling brains and other gullible, ignorant people believe it and spread it in order to justify their own fears of dogs
http://www.yourspca.org/pages/bred-to-love/dispelling-common-myths-about-pit-bull-terriers
I own border collies and have never been threatened by a dog. "A 2009 report issued by DogsBite.org shows that 19 dog breeds contributed to 88 deaths in the 3-year period of 2006 to 2008. Pit bulls accounted for 59% followed by rottweilers with 14%. Of the 88 fatal dog attacks recorded by DogsBite.org, pit bull type dogs were responsible for 59% (52). U.S. Dog Bite Statistics - DogsBite.org www.dogsbite.org › dog-bite-statistics
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Alexthegreat said: So from what I've read, you believe walking dogs in public is dangerous?
To a degree. Yes. I see all dogs as potentially dangerous due to their unpredictability. I don't know if a dog running towards me wants to play or is going to jump up and take a chunk out of me, and no, before the inevitable idiot that posts to tell me, 'you can tell a dogs intention by it's demeanour.' No. I am not a fucking dog psychiatrist.
What are your objections to using muzzels?
Dogs pant to release heat. If their mouth is mussled how will they pant properly?
Carry a knife if your scarred of animal attacks. Sue the owner.
Don't walk like a victim and no single dog will ever attack you.
yah alot of it is body language. dogs can read it really well and will react accordingky
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if pit bulls were not a popular breed we wouldnt even be having this discussion, because it is a popular breed statistically the bites will be more common
now let's apply numbers to humans.
13% of the population is responsible for 56% of the homicides. is it nature or nurture?
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The UK has a "dangerous dogs" law and outlaws the ownership of pit bulls if that helps.
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do you honestly believe if golden retrievers were more popular then pitbulls they would be attacking more people then pitbulls?
Pitbulls are dangerous mongrels, its ludicrous to believe that all breeds are born with the same temperament.
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No, some pit bulls can be dangerous, just like any other dogs...
If golden retrievers had the same history as pitbulls and we're as popular they could definitely have the same notoriety.
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but they dont. Thats the point. In my opinion, if you swapped the household numbers for pits and golden retrievers, and there was as many retrievers as there are pits, you would still see pitbulls in the majority of the attacks.
I dont think the pitbull stats are purely just based on how many there are.
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Your right it probably has a lot to do with how often they are abused and or raised by neglectful owners...
If golden retrievers had that same history who can see they wouldn't be in opposite places
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So you think raised in the same exact enviorment, a pitbull and a golden retriever are going to have the same exact temperament and mannerisms? Thats ludicrous.
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if pit bulls were not a popular breed we wouldnt even be having this discussion, because it is a popular breed statistically the bites will be more common
now let's apply numbers to humans.
13% of the population is responsible for 56% of the homicides. is it nature or nurture?
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Where did I say that? I think that if a golden retriever was raised in an abusive house and or had came from a line of dogs used in bloodsports then it could be pretty much just as aggressive as a pit bull... All the pitbulls I have known came from loving houses and were wonderful dogs, thinking any specific breed of dog will have the exact same temperament and mannerisms is what is ludicrous
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I don't have an objection with a muzzle. It's just not for me because it is not necessary. I socialized my dog very well from a young age. People come up to her and put their hands over her in the neighborhood and the dog park and she loves it.
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No. It doesn't. I'm not even sure that the breed can be varified that easily as most of these "pit bulls" are crosses. Neither do I care too much what the breed is. A bite, any bite, from any dog, is a bite I would rather dog owners didn't take the chance of my recieving. Thanks all the same.
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Should be on a lead, maybe. My guess would be at least half the dog walkers on my estate don't keep thir dogs on the lead, they let them free so that they can throw sticks/balls etc. for the dog to fetch.
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To a degree. Yes. I see all dogs as potentially dangerous due to their unpredictability. I don't know if a dog running towards me wants to play or is going to jump up and take a chunk out of me, and no, before the inevitable idiot that posts to tell me, 'you can tell a dogs intention by it's demeanour.' No. I am not a fucking dog psychiatrist.
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impatientguy said: Dogs pant to release heat. If their mouth is mussled how will they pant properly?
There are muzzel designs that allow a dog to pant.
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impatientguy said: Carry a knife if your scarred of animal attacks. Sue the owner.
You're kidding right? I'm supposed to carry a knife to protect me from some idiots dog, and/or, sue the owner? Fat lot of good that'll do me if my leg so badly mauled that I walk with a limp for the rest of my days.
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impatientguy said: Don't walk like a victim and no single dog will ever attack you.
You think i'm going to take the word of some random fucker on the internet? That I should trust you? Bollocks.
It seems you people don't want to muzzel your dogs because you want to be able to play fetch with your barky, bitey, waggy tailed little shite machines, and fuck anyone who isn't quick enough to get out of the way of their teeth. Arseholes!
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Calm down killer.
My dog has never and will never bite anyone.
Why are you so scared of dogs anyways?
I carry large a razor sharp knife with me anytime I have pants on. Why wouldn't you. It comes in handy more than once a day for me usually.
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Pitbulls... Such vicious creatures
Yep that's a duck.
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You realize every pitbull owner says that? I personally had a friend with a very sweet pitbull who grew up around his kids. One day it snapped and decided to maul his toddler. Her face is straight mutilated to this day. Everyone thought it was a great dog, in a loving home.
Over the years and seeing the statistics/mannerisms of this breed ive come to the conclusion your everyday family should not own them.
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Well they're obviously not ALL vicious. How many dogs in general run around the yard with a duck without eating it?
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Mmmmm hmmmm... I'm sure. Every dog I've ever seen around chickens tries to kill them.... And I live where there are lots of chickens. Chickens and corn...
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You ask a question and was never going to believe the answer unless it was what you wanted to hear. So with that in mind you can go sit on it. The last thing I'll do in this thread is post a pic of my dog and my chickens just to show you how much of a dick you seem to me right now.
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Over the years and seeing the statistics/mannerisms of this breed ive come to the conclusion your everyday family should not own them.
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you think I care if you think I'm a dick? My point was the majority of dogs will eat a chicken, it doesn't matter the breed. I could sit here all day and talk about how vicious small dogs are but at the end of the day any animal can turn on you so why pick on a specific breed? The most vicious animal I've ever seen was a lab, a breed of dog known for being a family dog.
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Sorry dude... It just happened to be a lab. My aunts lab to be exact, I really think the equally mean chihuahua drove it insane.
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Ive been bitten by 3 dogs in my life, a big poodle who was playing, a jackass german shepherd who wasnt trained, and a little small shit mutt whos just a shit dog. I dont like shit dogs. Not saying mutts are shit dogs, but this mutt is a shit dog. I know a person who had a chunk of his leg ripped off from a pitbull its one nasty scar.
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danielx said: do you honestly believe if golden retrievers were more popular then pitbulls they would be attacking more people then pitbulls?
Pitbulls are dangerous mongrels, its ludicrous to believe that all breeds are born with the same temperament.
yes. it's a fact.
http://www.orilliapacket.com/2014/08/27/dog-attack-victim-recovering-but-heartbroken
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pineninja said: I own border collies and have never been threatened by a dog. "A 2009 report issued by DogsBite.org shows that 19 dog breeds contributed to 88 deaths in the 3-year period of 2006 to 2008. Pit bulls accounted for 59% followed by rottweilers with 14%. Of the 88 fatal dog attacks recorded by DogsBite.org, pit bull type dogs were responsible for 59% (52). U.S. Dog Bite Statistics - DogsBite.org www.dogsbite.org › dog-bite-statistics
if pit bulls were not a popular breed we wouldnt even be having this discussion, because it is a popular breed statistically the bites will be more common
now let's apply numbers to humans.
13% of the population is responsible for 56% of the homicides. is it nature or nurture?
Position Breed Registrations 1 Labrador Retriever 45,700 2 English Cocker Spaniel 20,459 3 English Springer Spaniel 15,133 4 German Shepherd 12,857 5 Staffordshire Bull Terrier 12,729 6 Cavalier King Charles Spaniel 11,411 7 Golden Retriever 9,373 8 West Highland White Terrier 9,300 9 Boxer 9,066 10 Border Terrier 8,916
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so only breed registered dogs are allowed in the country?
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Pitbulls are dangerous mongrels, its ludicrous to believe that all breeds are born with the same temperament.
yes. it's a fact.
http://www.orilliapacket.com/2014/08/27/dog-attack-victim-recovering-but-heartbroken
Dog attack statistics could have a lot of holes in the data, It immediately excludes small dog attacks that likely are never reported. The most consistently reported type of dog attack would no doubt be attacks that end in human death. And based on the statistics reported at http://www.dogsbite.org; pits would have to out number golden retrievers nearly 60 to 1 in america. Maybe they do
If you look at the statistics for dog attacks resulting in bodily harm for pit bulls and german shepherds: Pits have the shepherd 2:1 on total percent of dog population, yet have a ratio of nearly 30:1 for attacks causing bodily harm, and about 20:1 for deaths. You could suggest that the population statistics are off by nearly 15 times but at some point you have to consider what glaring facts you are ignoring to maintain your perception.

Statistically debatable maybe, but far from a "fact"...
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I want to see data on provoked vs unprovoked attacks. Random maulings is a completely different scenario then a dog protecting its owner/home. Ofcourse a dog thats not well trained and attacks at random when someone comes near its owner would be counted as a random mauling.
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most dog bites are never reported but given that there are a couple of dozen breeds that look similar to pit bulls it's not uncommon for pit bulls to get the blame
this isnt a pit bull but people normally call it one

again, not a pit bull but people still claim it is

also not a pit bull but frequently mistaken for one

all 3 dogs are different breeds that look pretty much the same
these are inbred, fucked up abominations. anyone that talks about gotti line, gator line or mentions red/blue nose. bust them in their mouth until they choke on the Chiclets they used to call teeth. they're too retarded to be allowed to live
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My dog has never and will never bite anyone.
Why are you so scared of dogs anyways?
I carry large a razor sharp knife with me anytime I have pants on. Why wouldn't you. It comes in handy more than once a day for me usually.
As every fucking idiot whose dog has just mauled someone says. What would you expect them to say, "oh well officer, it was just a matter of time before he ripped some kids face off, ho hum. 
I wouldn't say I'm unduly scared of dogs, (I'm more affected by their other renowned traits, that of, barking at fuck all, and shitting everywhere) just wary of their ablity to rip lumps out of people. I wouldn't, for example, have encouraged either of my daughters to 'pet' a strangers dog, any more than I would have encouraged them to accept lifts from strangers.
>"I carry..." Well good for you jim bob, but we ain't all 'hicks from the sticks.' On this side of the water I'd have a lot of explaining to do if I were caught by the police carrying a "large razor sharp knife" in public for no apparent reason or cause. I do carry a small pocket knife, but it would be of little to no use considering the speed at which a dog can attack.
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Amen brother. I hate those ugly Gotti/Razors edge dogs, farthest thing from what a real A.P.B.T is.
Those pictures, do you know what those breeds are? To me looks like, first picture is Amstaff, second pic looks like Dogos Argentino and third pic looks like American bulldog
On an off topic comment, I would love to get a dogos argentino some day to be used as a catch dog
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My dog has never and will never bite anyone.
Why are you so scared of dogs anyways?
I carry large a razor sharp knife with me anytime I have pants on. Why wouldn't you. It comes in handy more than once a day for me usually.
As every fucking idiot whose dog has just mauled someone says. What would you expect them to say, "oh well officer, it was just a matter of time before he ripped some kids face off, ho hum. 
I wouldn't say I'm unduly scared of dogs, (I'm more affected by their other renowned traits, that of, barking at fuck all, and shitting everywhere) just wary of their ablity to rip lumps out of people. I wouldn't, for example, have encouraged either of my daughters to 'pet' a strangers dog, any more than I would have encouraged them to accept lifts from strangers.
>"I carry..." Well good for you jim bob, but we ain't all 'hicks from the sticks.' On this side of the water I'd have a lot of explaining to do if I were caught by the police carrying a "large razor sharp knife" in public for no apparent reason or cause. I do carry a small pocket knife, but it would be of little to no use considering the speed at which a dog can attack.
Do you live in America? Tell the cops to fuck off.
Hicks from the sticks? Are you joking me?
You sound pretty scared of dogs to me.(not in a justified way either)
My dogs are trained well. I am the leader and they do as I say. They don't bite they don't jump up they listen like robots. They will eat food amd drink water and go to the bathroom on command.
They are the epitome of a good dog. They will not bite unless I want them to.
Don't be such a bitch 
Edited by impatientguy (08/04/16 11:28 AM)
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Pitbulls are chill its on the owner...
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theyre all dangerous ugly ghetto mongrels to me.
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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: danielx]
#23509405 - 08/04/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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danielx said: theyre all dangerous ugly ghetto mongrels to me.
So are all humans dangerous scumbags simply becouse of the percentage that is?
I guess we should all be put down becouse people like Hitler can exist...
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Re: Pit Bulls [Re: danielx]
#23509826 - 08/04/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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danielx said: theyre all dangerous ugly ghetto mongrels to me.
Cuz you have an unwarranted fear of them.
Dogs are fucking dope.
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