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Re: Whats the general consensus on Trump here? [Re: qman]
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qman said:
fivepointer said:
qman said:
Illegals and their children get everything they need, it doesn't matter where they live. They get free housing, food, health care, education, ect.


You are wrong.  ACA health coverage is not available to non-US citizens.  Food stamps are not available to illegal aliens, only certain qualified legal aliens.  Housing Section 8 and student aid is available to only U.S. citizens and certain legal permanent residents.


No, I specifically stated illegals and their children.


And you'd be wrong again.  Illegals don't get these things.  If their children are legal citizens, then they would.  A correct statement would be:

Illegals and their children Children of illegals who are US citizens...

luvdemshrooms said:
And yet...

Illegal Immigrants Get Over $1,200 More In Welfare Benefits Than American Families A Year


Your article plays the same trick qman did.  Illegals don't get these things.


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Re: Whats the general consensus on Trump here? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Based on your partisanship and willingness to say things that aren't so... I'll go with the article.

Thanks anyway.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Whats the general consensus on Trump here? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
luvdemshrooms said:
fivepointer said:
ACA health coverage is not available to non-US citizens.  Food stamps are not available to illegal aliens, only certain qualified legal aliens.  Housing Section 8 and student aid is available to only U.S. citizens and certain legal permanent residents.


And yet...

Illegal Immigrants Get Over $1,200 More In Welfare Benefits Than American Families A Year


Your article plays the same trick qman did.  Illegals don't get these things.


Based on your partisanship and willingness to say things that aren't so... I'll go with the article.

Thanks anyway.


So you're saying you DO think illegals get welfare, food stamps, public housing, and health care?


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Whats the general consensus on Trump here? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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I'm aware that on paper, illegals are supposedly barred from collecting Federal welfare. I'm also aware they are allowed to collect welfare benefits on behalf of their American born children. I'm also aware that some states/cities/towns care not about restricting illegals. Welfare comes in many forms.





http://cis.org/Welfare-Use-Legal-Illegal-Immigrant-Households




http://www.freegovernmentcellphones.net/undocumented-immigrants-guide-to-free-government-cell-phones.pdf



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However, PRWORA did not make those who had been receiving housing benefits before the date of enactment (August 22, 1996) ineligible for housing benefits. Likewise, PRWORA exempts certain types of programs that are usually thought of as emergency programs from the alien eligibility restrictions.


https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/homesec/RL31753.pdf




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Many illegal immigrants live in public housing


http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-01-01-public-housing_N.htm



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The state provides a full range of low-cost healthcare options for poor Californians, and some of those Medi-Cal benefits are available regardless of a person's immigration status.


http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-healthcare-watch-20140420-story.html


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Whats the general consensus on Trump here? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
I'm aware that on paper, illegals are supposedly barred from collecting Federal welfare. I'm also aware they are allowed to collect welfare benefits on behalf of their American born children.


Great.  Then are you aware that the Federal statistics you've provided above are for US Citizens living in households with illegals, and not for the illegals themselves?


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Whats the general consensus on Trump here? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Yup, quite aware. However, any welfare to the legal children of illegals have the effect of benefiting the illegals as well.

As I said but you seem eager to gloss over... welfare comes in many forms.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Whats the general consensus on Trump here? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
Yup, quite aware. However, any welfare to the legal children of illegals have the effect of benefiting the illegals as well.


Agreed.  Finally a statement without the usual conservative spin.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Whats the general consensus on Trump here? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Perhaps one day you'll work on doing away with your partisan spin. I'd be surprised but hey... odder things have happened.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Whats the general consensus on Trump here? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
luvdemshrooms said:
I'm aware that on paper, illegals are supposedly barred from collecting Federal welfare. I'm also aware they are allowed to collect welfare benefits on behalf of their American born children.


Great.  Then are you aware that the Federal statistics you've provided above are for US Citizens living in households with illegals, and not for the illegals themselves?


Many people don't consider anchor babies to be US citizens, in fact every developed nation in the world outside of the US and Canada have done away with that nonsense.

Guess who uses those benefits from their children? ILLEGALS!

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Re: Whats the general consensus on Trump here? [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Many people don't consider anchor babies to be US citizens


It doesn't matter.  Many people don't consider smoking pot to be crime either, but it is.

qman said:
Guess who uses those benefits from their children? ILLEGALS!


You should have said that to begin with.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Whats the general consensus on Trump here? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
Perhaps one day you'll work on doing away with your partisan spin.


So I'm spinning things by pointing out your spin?  Alrighty then...  :rolleyes:


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Whats the general consensus on Trump here? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
luvdemshrooms said:
Perhaps one day you'll work on doing away with your partisan spin.


So I'm spinning things by pointing out your spin?  Alrighty then...  :rolleyes:


I suspect you are aware, and don't care, that the comment wasn't strictly aimed at that one post. Thanks for demonstrating what I've pointed out on several earlier occasions.

And my 'spin' direction depends on the subject at hand.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Whats the general consensus on Trump here? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
I suspect you are aware, and don't care, that the comment wasn't strictly aimed at that one post. Thanks for demonstrating what I've pointed out on several earlier occasions.

And my 'spin' direction depends on the subject at hand.


Here is your post:

luvdemshrooms said:
fivepointer said:
You are wrong.  ACA health coverage is not available to non-US citizens.  Food stamps are not available to illegal aliens, only certain qualified legal aliens.  Housing Section 8 and student aid is available to only U.S. citizens and certain legal permanent residents.


And yet...

Illegal Immigrants Get Over $1,200 More In Welfare Benefits Than American Families A Year


This happens all the time with you.  You get pissed at people for responding to what you actually say, and tell them they should have known what you actually meant in your own mind.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Whats the general consensus on Trump here? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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My statement was accurate. No 'pissed' about it.

Feel free to keep trying though.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Whats the general consensus on Trump here? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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