shivas.wisdom said:

you should read the actual anti-discrimination law, rather than a bias blog--it's not as simpke as mistakenly refering to a 'he' as a 'she'

http://www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/downloads/pdf/publications/GenderID_InterpretiveGuide_2015.pdf

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1. Failing To Use an Individual’s Preferred Name or Pronoun

Examples of Violations
a. Intentional or repeated refusal to use an individual’s preferred name, pronoun
or title. For example, repeatedly calling a transgender woman “him” or “Mr.”
after she has made clear which pronouns and title she uses.
b. Refusal to use an individual’s preferred name, pronoun, or title because they
do not conform to gender stereotypes. For example, calling a woman “Mr.”
because her appearance is aligned with traditional gender-based stereotypes
of masculinity.
c. Conditioning an individual’s use of their preferred name on obtaining a court-
ordered name change or providing identification in that name. For example,
a covered entity may not refuse to call a transgender woman her preferred
name, Jane, because her identification says that her first name is John.11
d. Requiring an individual to provide information about their medical history or
proof of having undergone particular medical procedures in order to use their
preferred name, pronoun, or title.

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and the fines you mention require "wilful and malicious" intent to be behind the discriminatory actions

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shivas.wisdom said:

you should read the actual anti-discrimination law, rather than a bias blog--it's not as simpke as mistakenly refering to a 'he' as a 'she'

http://www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/downloads/pdf/publications/GenderID_InterpretiveGuide_2015.pdf

Quote:

1. Failing To Use an Individual’s Preferred Name or Pronoun

Examples of Violations
a. Intentional or repeated refusal to use an individual’s preferred name, pronoun
or title. For example, repeatedly calling a transgender woman “him” or “Mr.”
after she has made clear which pronouns and title she uses.
b. Refusal to use an individual’s preferred name, pronoun, or title because they
do not conform to gender stereotypes. For example, calling a woman “Mr.”
because her appearance is aligned with traditional gender-based stereotypes
of masculinity.
c. Conditioning an individual’s use of their preferred name on obtaining a court-
ordered name change or providing identification in that name. For example,
a covered entity may not refuse to call a transgender woman her preferred
name, Jane, because her identification says that her first name is John.11
d. Requiring an individual to provide information about their medical history or
proof of having undergone particular medical procedures in order to use their
preferred name, pronoun, or title.

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and the fines you mention require "wilful and malicious" intent to be behind the discriminatory actions

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Prisoner#1 said:

shivas.wisdom said:

"Sexual assault is any involuntary sexual act in which a person is coerced or physically forced to engage against their will, or any non-consensual sexual touching of a person."


not sure why i had to define that...

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non-consensual sexual, touching

exactly how often does that happen?
where is that most likely to occur?

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as for unreported assaults, unfortunately but, due to their nature of being unreported, cannot be included in statistical accounts--the claim i made is derived solely from reported accounts

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then why is unreported rape and sexual assault used in statistics

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5176

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and your claim that anecdotal evidence is comparable to statistical methodology isn't a fact that doesn't mesh with my personal bias--it is mathematically incorrect

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what is anecdotal evidence?

my claim is that statistics is no more than a compilation of anecdotal evidence,
statistics often include that which is unknown such as the unreported rapes. we
also know that even of the reported rapes, while it is less common, it still
occurs, that false claims of rape are in fact made and these are frequently
included in statistics with people arguing these statistics as being extremely
reliable

tell us how your complete disregard for certain sets of statistics isnt simply
cherry picking, the same thing that the anecdotal 'evidence' is bashed for

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qman said:

shivas.wisdom said:

you should read the actual anti-discrimination law, rather than a bias blog--it's not as simpke as mistakenly refering to a 'he' as a 'she'

http://www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/downloads/pdf/publications/GenderID_InterpretiveGuide_2015.pdf

Quote:

1. Failing To Use an Individual’s Preferred Name or Pronoun

Examples of Violations
a. Intentional or repeated refusal to use an individual’s preferred name, pronoun
or title. For example, repeatedly calling a transgender woman “him” or “Mr.”
after she has made clear which pronouns and title she uses.
b. Refusal to use an individual’s preferred name, pronoun, or title because they
do not conform to gender stereotypes. For example, calling a woman “Mr.”
because her appearance is aligned with traditional gender-based stereotypes
of masculinity.
c. Conditioning an individual’s use of their preferred name on obtaining a court-
ordered name change or providing identification in that name. For example,
a covered entity may not refuse to call a transgender woman her preferred
name, Jane, because her identification says that her first name is John.11
d. Requiring an individual to provide information about their medical history or
proof of having undergone particular medical procedures in order to use their
preferred name, pronoun, or title.

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and the fines you mention require "wilful and malicious" intent to be behind the discriminatory actions

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Like accidentally misgendering a transsexual, or calling a male, sir.

Do you support fining people for saying words you might disagree with?

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shivas.wisdom said:

solution: unisex bathrooms

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shivas.wisdom said:

qman said:

shivas.wisdom said:

you should read the actual anti-discrimination law, rather than a bias blog--it's not as simpke as mistakenly refering to a 'he' as a 'she'

http://www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/downloads/pdf/publications/GenderID_InterpretiveGuide_2015.pdf

Quote:

1. Failing To Use an Individual’s Preferred Name or Pronoun

Examples of Violations
a. Intentional or repeated refusal to use an individual’s preferred name, pronoun
or title. For example, repeatedly calling a transgender woman “him” or “Mr.”
after she has made clear which pronouns and title she uses.
b. Refusal to use an individual’s preferred name, pronoun, or title because they
do not conform to gender stereotypes. For example, calling a woman “Mr.”
because her appearance is aligned with traditional gender-based stereotypes
of masculinity.
c. Conditioning an individual’s use of their preferred name on obtaining a court-
ordered name change or providing identification in that name. For example,
a covered entity may not refuse to call a transgender woman her preferred
name, Jane, because her identification says that her first name is John.11
d. Requiring an individual to provide information about their medical history or
proof of having undergone particular medical procedures in order to use their
preferred name, pronoun, or title.

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and the fines you mention require "wilful and malicious" intent to be behind the discriminatory actions

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Like accidentally misgendering a transsexual, or calling a male, sir.

Do you support fining people for saying words you might disagree with?

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did you read what i quoted? accidentally calling someone by the wrong pronoun is not included in this anti-discrimination law

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Prisoner#1 said:

so it's liberals stifling free speech by imposing huge fines

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Crystal G said:

shivas.wisdom said:

solution: unisex bathrooms

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I noticed a lot of trendy nightclubs and bars have unisex bathrooms lately, especially in gayborhoods. I personally always liked unisex bathrooms

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shivas.wisdom said:

Prisoner#1 said:

shivas.wisdom said:

"Sexual assault is any involuntary sexual act in which a person is coerced or physically forced to engage against their will, or any non-consensual sexual touching of a person."


not sure why i had to define that...

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non-consensual sexual, touching

exactly how often does that happen?
where is that most likely to occur?

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where is it most likely to occur? according to available statistics, in a private setting, by a known acquaintance

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qman said:

Any person could mis-interrupt an innocent misgender as "wilful and malicious intent".

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Again, do you support fining people for saying words you might disagree with?

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shivas.wisdom said:

Prisoner#1 said:

so it's liberals stifling free speech by imposing huge fines

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we both know we hold fundamentally contradictory views here

you believe freedom of speech is inviolable
i believe freedom of speech must not be allowed to undermine other rights and freedoms, like (at least in canada) the principles of equality and multiculturalism

lets just leave it at that

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shivas.wisdom said:

Prisoner#1 said:

so it's liberals stifling free speech by imposing huge fines

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we both know we hold fundamentally contradictory views here

you believe freedom of speech is inviolable
i believe freedom of speech must not be allowed to undermine other rights and freedoms, like (at least in canada) the principles of equality and multiculturalism

lets just leave it at that

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shivas.wisdom said:

qman said:

Any person could mis-interrupt an innocent misgender as "wilful and malicious intent".

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which is why we have the courts system, where judges are expected to interpret the law in a fair and unbiased way

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Again, do you support fining people for saying words you might disagree with?

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of course i don't agree with fining people i disagree with

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Madcaps said:

Crystal G said:

shivas.wisdom said:

solution: unisex bathrooms

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I noticed a lot of trendy nightclubs and bars have unisex bathrooms lately, especially in gayborhoods. I personally always liked unisex bathrooms

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I'm sure women will love sitting in piss. Men wont touch and lift that germ infested seat, we will piss rite on it, we don't have to sit on it, especially when drunk.

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The Moose said:

They should just have everybody use the same bathroom. I mean you have stalls so

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