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Re: Bush Plans $1.5 Billion Drive for Marriage, no gays [Re: Innvertigo]
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Innvertigo said:
I can't believe some of the conspiracy theories that come out of this forum, it's absolutly beyond crazy and bordering on just plain looniness.


I alwasy suspect you were one of thier spawn...


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Re: Bush Plans $1.5 Billion Drive for Marriage, no gays [Re: Azmodeus]
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ah...er...no i'm not :crazy:

me\ puts on tin foil hat :shiftyeyes:


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Re: Bush Plans $1.5 Billion Drive for Marriage, no gays [Re: Evolving]
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Evolving said:
Democraps love to give free money to people who have kids and don't even pay taxes! They've always pandered to people who breed incessantly with no motivation to take responibility for their own actions.


re-poops love to give free money to giant corporations who dont even pay taxes!...they've always pandered to people who loot out the population..and dump toxic waste on them..with no motivation to take responsibility for their own actions...


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Re: Bush Plans $1.5 Billion Drive for Marriage, no gays [Re: Annapurna1]
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I am against corporate welfare. I hope you're not going to use the Alex123 justification of one government wrong making another okay. 'Cause that's just plain silly.


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Re: Bush Plans $1.5 Billion Drive for Marriage, no gays [Re: daussaulit]
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Maybe he justs wants more couples to start pumping out babies so the massive debt their children will have to pay won't seem as much.


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Re: Bush Plans $1.5 Billion Drive for Marriage, no gays [Re: Innvertigo]
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So that's what your basing your whole "conspiracy" on? A tax break for those that have kids? Maybe, just maybe they want to let families have an easier time raising kids. Any tax break the govt gives is a good thing as long as the spending decreases.



A: Why is the word "conspiracy" in quotes? you're certainly not quoting me. And no, I'm not basing it on just this. This is just one peice of a larger whole.

B: There has been no decrease in spending to accompany Bush's tax cuts

and finally

C: Do you really not mind paying more taxes than someone else just because they have kids? Why should you pay for their decision to breed?

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Re: Bush Plans $1.5 Billion Drive for Marriage, no gays [Re: Annapurna1]
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its easy to see an ulterior motive here

it usually is, isn't it? hey, i hear that with the new brain-scanners they have now, you need at least 6 layers of foil to protect yourself. you hear anything about that?

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Re: Bush Plans $1.5 Billion Drive for Marriage, no gays [Re: DoctorJ]
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Why is the word "conspiracy" in quotes?



It's in quotes because conspiracy seems to be such a cliche' as of late.

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There has been no decrease in spending to accompany Bush's tax cuts and finally



That's obvious, but with reduced spending should be reduced taxes.

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Do you really not mind paying more taxes than someone else just because they have kids?



oh, don't get me wrong, i don't want to pay taxes period but that's not an option. I still don't see how this feeds the big "conspiracy" theory that has evolved in this thread.

If you answer any question, please answer this one: What made you different from those kids being taught "family values" (ie: republican brainwash) that made you not choose to be conservative?

This one to if you want: So what happens if that population turns into a bunch of libbies? Is there a secret potion out there to make sure that they stay conservatives? (from my previous post)


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Edited by Innvertigo (01/22/04 08:34 PM)

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Re: Bush Plans $1.5 Billion Drive for Marriage, no gays [Re: Innvertigo]
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What made you different from those kids being taught "family values" (ie: republican brainwash) that made you not choose to be conservative?


Liberal parents that wanted to abort me but didnt (hey, I dont blame em!)

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So what happens if that population turns into a bunch of libbies? Is there a secret potion out there to make sure that they stay conservatives? (from my previous post)


Television, radio, public education, "faith-based" initiatives, draconian drug laws, religious fanaticism, economic incentive...

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Re: Bush Plans $1.5 Billion Drive for Marriage, no gays [Re: daussaulit]
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Did anyone here stop to think that maybe he wants to encourage marriage in low income areas in an effort to slow promiscuity and rampant pregnancy and so that there can be children raised in a family as opposed to not knowing who their father is?? I'm not saying that it will solve the problem but it could help. I may be missing something that could contradict this though.


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Re: Bush Plans $1.5 Billion Drive for Marriage, no gays [Re: DoctorJ]
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Liberal parents that wanted to abort me but didnt (hey, I dont blame em!)



So is it a good thing to be raised by parents who thought aboot aborting you but not if your parents use good family values and hold the family together? I'm a little confused.

I was raised by a conservative mother and a liberal father so i got to see the rediculous side of each point of view.

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Television, radio, public education, "faith-based" initiatives, draconian drug laws, religious fanaticism, economic incentive...



Well if you were able to fight the temptation why isn't it possible that others can?


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Re: Bush Plans $1.5 Billion Drive for Marriage, no gays [Re: Innvertigo]
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I'm not sayin its gonna work. I'm just sayin its a grab for power, thats all. They are trying to mold society into a more easy to manipulate form- and now with tax money.

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Re: Bush Plans $1.5 Billion Drive for Marriage, no gays [Re: daussaulit]
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it's strange to see the responses in this thread...

I can't believe it took 1.5 billion for a publicity
campaign for marriage to piss people off.


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Re: Bush Plans $1.5 Billion Drive for Marriage, no gays [Re: afoaf]
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I can't believe you think that's all that got people pissed.


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Re: Bush Plans $1.5 Billion Drive for Marriage, no gays [Re: DoctorJ]
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i just think you are OVER-thinking this.


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Edited by Innvertigo (01/23/04 07:09 AM)

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Re: Bush Plans $1.5 Billion Drive for Marriage, no gays [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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the only time I remember seeing you display disgust
at the president was when I mentioned the mexican
worker thing and this here.

sorry if I haven't been paying close enough attention,
but those are the two worries lowest on my list.


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Re: Bush Plans $1.5 Billion Drive for Marriage, no gays [Re: Innvertigo]
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Innvertigo said:
i just think you are OVER-thinking this.


could be.

But I have a 23yo friend who just got his girlfriend pregnant. They went to an abortion clinic, but some bible-thumper was standing outside and he talked them out of it (I dont know what's harder to believe- that people like that exist, or that my friend was dumb enough to listen to them) His girlfriend's parents are rabid conservatives that are pressuring them to keep the baby, and get married. These kids can barely take care of themselves, let alone a baby. They are both less than halfway through their educations. It makes no sense for them to have a kid- at least they could give it up for adoption. But they're not gonna. They have fallen into the trap- they have started their journey on the road to becoming exactly like their parents. I try to explain to them how much their lives will change for the worse when they have this kid, but my rational arguements are being drowned out by all the conservative emotional manipulation they face from their parents and society in general.

Soon, my friend will be powerless to change the world or stand up for what he believes in. His fate and his emotions will be tied to a kid that spends his money on useless consumer goods. Threats of any kind will weigh heavier on him, because he will have a family to think about and provide for. He will have to give up his dreams and take a shit job for the sake of his family. And eventually, he will see Republicans as "on his side" because they pander to families. The assimilation will be complete.

Surely you can see how a family is an anchor around a man's neck? A proverbial "ball and chain"? Conservatives want to attach this anchor to everyone- it makes them easy to manipulate, and it makes them more voracious consumers.

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Re: Bush Plans $1.5 Billion Drive for Marriage, no gays [Re: DoctorJ]
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Surely you can see how a family is an anchor around a man's neck? A proverbial "ball and chain"?

Sorry to sound picky, but surely it's an anchor around both of their necks? As the saying goes, "It takes two to tango".


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Re: Bush Plans $1.5 Billion Drive for Marriage, no gays [Re: DoctorJ]
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I don't really want to get into a pro/anti abortion debate because it's non-productive but one thing really bothered me was this line you wrote:

"Surely you can see how a family is an anchor around a man's neck? "

I have a co-worker who LOVES his family. I don't think this guy would ever want to be without his family and wouldn't ever think of his family as a speedbump or as you put it "a ball and chain".

did i also mention that he's a flaming libbie? Nice guy but just out there philosophically.

As for me. i'm married and have no kids because i'm selfish and just don't want to deal with kids at this point in my life, my wife is the same.

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Conservatives want to attach this anchor to everyone



i disagree, i think conservatives (real conservatives)want people to take responsibility for their actions. It's easy to not take responsibility for your own actions which is why many people do it.

I hate to sound like my parents but your friend knew the risks before he put his pecker in....i did the same thing but i wore a condom, but lets not turn this into an abortion thread.


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Re: Bush Plans $1.5 Billion Drive for Marriage, no gays [Re: DoctorJ]
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DoctorJ said:
Surely you can see how a family is an anchor around a man's neck? A proverbial "ball and chain"?


I am married with a family, there is no anchor around my neck, no ball and chain. If a man perceives that his family is an anchor around his neck, or a ball and chain, these are things that he has fashioned for himself.

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Conservatives want to attach this anchor to everyone- it makes them easy to manipulate, and it makes them more voracious consumers.


I think you are way off base on this. Conservatives (true conservatives, not neo-conservatives) want people to take responsibility for the consequences of their decisions and actions. Bush's proposal is actually going in the opposite direction. If we look at what a mess the government has made of various things it has stuck it's nose in, no one in his right mind would go along with Bush's proposal. These 'bible thumpers' who want the government to change people's behavior are not the opposite of the PC lobby, in fact they share the very same tendencies, they both want the government to remake society towards their visions. Both are wrong.


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