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InvisibleXlea321
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Bush demanding excuse to invade
    #2235928 - 01/12/04 02:09 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Bush was demanding excuse to invade Iraq in January 2001, says ex-treasury secretary
By Andrew Gumbel, in Los Angeles
12 January 2004


The Bush administration started making detailed plans for the invasion of Iraq within days of coming to office, with the President himself anxious to find a pretext to overthrow Saddam Hussein, a high-ranking former cabinet member said yesterday.

The revelation is the latest in a string of potential embarrassments for the White House offered by the former treasury secretary Paul O'Neill, who has gone on the record for a new book looking at his bumpy two years at the centre of US power, The Price of Loyalty.

Mr O'Neill said invading Iraq was "topic A" at the very first meeting of President George Bush's National Security Council, 10 days after his inauguration on 20 January 2001, and continued to be an abiding theme in follow-up meetings.

"From the very first instance, it was about Iraq," said Mr O'Neill, who was a participant in all the meetings and provided voluminous minutes and other documents to the book's author, Ron Suskind. "It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The President saying 'Go find me a way to do this'."

Mr O'Neill is the first cabinet member to implicate directly Mr Bush in planning a war against Iraq so early in his presidency. One of the documents passed to Mr Suskind was a secret dossier from the first few weeks of the administration entitled "Plan for post-Saddam Iraq". The disclosure will provide further ammunition for to Bush critics who believe the administration cynically exploited the 11 September terror attacks to launch an aggressive policy of global military interventionism that neo-conservative hawks such as Dick Cheney, the Vice-President, and Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, had been advocating for years.

It makes clear that hints of a link between Saddam and the 11 September attacks, repeatedly made by administration officials in the run-up to the war but never substantiated, were a political convenience, not the driving motivation behind the invasion. And it also poses a considerable challenge to the official version of history, which has sought to portray Mr Bush as undergoing a near-religious conversion after 11 September from a meek peacetime leader to a man with a global mission to stamp out evil.

Mr O'Neill, who spoke to CBS's60 Minutes news programme yesterday, said he was surprised nobody at the NSC meetings asked questions such as "Why Saddam?" or "Why now?" "For me," he added, "the notion of pre-emption, that the US has the unilateral right to do whatever we decide to do, is really a huge leap."

It has been clear for some time that the neo-conservatives in the administration were pushing such unilateralism. Mr Bush came to office pledging the opposite - an aversion to so-called "nation-building" and the commitment of US troops to world trouble-spots.

The former treasury secretary gives a unflattering portrait of the President in the book and in follow-up interviews, describing him as disengaged from the issues and apparently uninterested in dialogue with advisers. In cabinet meetings, Mr O'Neill said, the President was "like a blind man in a roomful of deaf people" - having nothing to say and allowing others to fix the agenda.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=480363


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Re: Bush demanding excuse to invade [Re: Xlea321]
    #2236747 - 01/12/04 11:39 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Another Article on the same issue...

Iraq invasion planned before 9/11

It would seem that Bush had this planned for some time...no surprise to those that know about PNAC...perhaps a wake-up call for those that don't.


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Re: Bush demanding excuse to invade [Re: Rono]
    #2236810 - 01/12/04 12:18 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

This PNAC?:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraq-20031211.htm

We have even been critical of the Bush Administration for a certain lack of imagination in finding ways to work constructively with these friendly governments. But this particular effort by the Pentagon to reward friends and punish enemies is stupid, and should be abandoned.


If he had made an Iraq invasion part of his election platform, I might would have voted for him.


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Re: Bush demanding excuse to invade [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2236845 - 01/12/04 12:32 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I was referring to the part of PNAC that mentioned that the administration will need to fight and decisively win at least 2 wars...and also mentions getting a foot hold in the middle east.

Let me see if I can find the specifics...it has been posted here a few times.

Edit... Here it is...


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Edited by Rono (01/12/04 12:53 PM)


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Re: Bush demanding excuse to invade [Re: Xlea321]
    #2236924 - 01/12/04 01:18 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Check this link out:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3925358/

Bush is looking worse and worse isn't he...

If the Iraq war was for purely political reasons, why didn't he
just admit it? I probably would have supported him if he said
he was trying to reshape the Middle East and get rid of the
dictatorships and terrorists.


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Re: Bush demanding excuse to invade [Re: Xlea321]
    #2239632 - 01/13/04 05:36 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Too bad some people don't read more before reaching conclusions.

Tuesday, Jan. 13, 2004 9:34 a.m. EST
Clinton, Congress Ratified 'Secret Bush Plan' to Depose Saddam

It turns out that former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill's so-called bombshell revelation that the Bush administration had a "secret plan" to depose Saddam Hussein before 9/11 wasn't such a secret after all.

In fact, not only did plans for "regime change" in Iraq NOT originate with the Bush White House, the "sinister plot" was actually ratified by Congress and signed into law by President Clinton a full three years before President Bush came to Washington.

According to Tuesday's Wall Street Journal, "The 1998 Iraqi Liberation Act was passed by an unanimous Senate and a near-unanimous House," after which Mr. Clinton certified it as the law of the land with his signature.

What the Journal didn't note was how bold Clinton officials were about their plans to topple Saddam.

According to a report in Newsweek just three months ago, after Clinton signed the Iraqi Liberation Act, "the U.S. government convened a conference with the [Iraqi National Congress] and other opposition groups in London to discuss 'regime change.'"

In January 1999, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright even appointed a special representative for transition in Iraq, Frank Ricciardone, who reportedly had "a mandate to coordinate opposition to Saddam."

Said Albright at the time: "He will be assisted by a team that will include both a military and a political adviser with extensive on-the-ground experience in the region. ... With the aid of Frank Ricciardone and his team, we will persist in helping the Iraqi people re-integrate themselves into the world community by freeing themselves from a leader they do not want, do not deserve and never chose."

Two months later, the Clinton administration's plans for a post-Saddam Iraq were already well under way, with State Department spokesman Jamie Rubin explaining to reporters: "What we're trying to do ... is strengthen an Iraqi opposition movement that can lay out solid plans for the post-Saddam recovery in all sectors of national life."

As the Washington Times noted at the time, "President Clinton has said that getting rid of Saddam is a major U.S. objective."
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Re: Bush demanding excuse to invade [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2239642 - 01/13/04 05:40 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

And to add insult to injury.... read this and weep. (highlights mine)

Tuesday, Jan. 13, 2004
O'Neill: Bush Is Better Than the Democrat Wannabes

Even the discharged, disgruntled and disgraced Paul O'Neill agrees with the majority of Americans that President Bush is superior to any of the Democrats' White House wannabes.


O'Neill said this morning on NBC's "Today" show he was guilty of using "vivid" language during his hundreds of hours of interviews for a book. As for his quote about the president being "like a blind man in a room full of deaf people," he claimed, "If I could take it back, I would take it back."

O'Neill said he "probably" would vote to re-elect Bush in November. "I don't see anyone who is better prepared or more capable," he said.

That little comment ought to be better than eau de skunk for stopping the Democrat candidates from embracing him.

O'Neill insisted, "It was not my intention to be personally critical of the president or anybody else," but rather to collaborate "on a chronicle of 23 months" in government.


And, more importantly, to sell lots and lots of books.




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Re: Bush demanding excuse to invade [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2239663 - 01/13/04 05:51 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I know getting an honest answer out of you is an impossible task, but what conclusion do you allege I "reached"?


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Re: Bush demanding excuse to invade [Re: Xlea321]
    #2239858 - 01/13/04 07:03 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

You've never got a dishonest answer from me. Back up your statement please.


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Re: Bush demanding excuse to invade [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2239859 - 01/13/04 07:03 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I can believe that...but as it stands, Countries that were actually invaded by Clinton=0, countries invaded by Bush=2


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Re: Bush demanding excuse to invade [Re: Rono]
    #2239866 - 01/13/04 07:05 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

What about Haiti, wasn't that during Clinton?


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Re: Bush demanding excuse to invade [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2239922 - 01/13/04 07:30 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

And who were the ones who pressured Clinton to take that stance against Iraq? Check out the names at the bottom of this document to find out. It all goes back to the same source.


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Re: Bush demanding excuse to invade [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2239941 - 01/13/04 07:39 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Perhaps you missed the title of this post. It specifically claims Bush demanded an excuse. This was apparently in error. I corrected the error.

Edit: to be more accurate (as he may indeed have "demanded" an excuse), the error was in the original article not pointing out the info from the later articles as well.


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Edited by luvdemshrooms (01/13/04 07:43 PM)


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Re: Bush demanding excuse to invade [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2239967 - 01/13/04 07:50 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

What the masses seem to be blind to is that Clinton & Bush I (or Bush II & Gore) are two sides of the same coin. The differences between the two major parties are superficial and meant to give an illusion of a contest. We are livestock voting on who is the best liar to be promoted to head of the Shearer, Milker & Butcher's Union. I can hear the din of clueless ruminant voices extolling the virtues of democracy, "Look how free we are, we can vote!" BFD.


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Re: Bush demanding excuse to invade [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2240629 - 01/14/04 02:05 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Back up your statement please.

Could you explain what "conclusion" you are referring to in this statement please:

Quote:

Too bad some people don't read more before reaching conclusions




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Re: Bush demanding excuse to invade [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2240855 - 01/14/04 05:36 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Bill Clinton this, Bill Clinton that.

He must of really left an impression on the neocons, since they still can't stop burping up his name every other arguement...

Is the Iraq war Bill Clinton's fault? Is that what what this article is suppose to mean? Or what? I don't think so...

George Bush still wanted an excuse to invade Iraq.

Maybe Clinton thought about it, maybe he didn't, but if he did, his good sense must of prevailed.

So what if Bill Clinton also dabbled in every shitty thing George Bush did? Bill Clinton sucked.

George Bush sucks worse. He should work at getting his dick sucked more. Less people would die.


Edited by carbonhoots (01/14/04 05:39 AM)


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Re: Bush demanding excuse to invade [Re: Xlea321]
    #2240857 - 01/14/04 05:40 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, that's what I thought. Dodge and weave.

Too bad you're not very clever at it.

Someone who claims another makes a dishonest statement should have the honesty and the balls to back it up. It's more than obvious that you don't.


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Re: Bush demanding excuse to invade [Re: carbonhoots]
    #2240871 - 01/14/04 05:59 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I didn't say Clinton was responsible. I merely pointed out that these plans exist no matter who is in power. One of the militarys jobs is to have plans like this ready at all times in case they are needed. I'd be surprised if we didn't have plans for every country, friend or foe.

Quote:

George Bush still wanted an excuse to invade Iraq.



Reread post #2239941.


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Re: Bush demanding excuse to invade [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2241392 - 01/14/04 01:02 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, that's what I thought.

What on earth are you talking about? You made a statement saying someone had reached a "conclusion". Can you answer the simple question of what this "conclusion" was?


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Re: Bush demanding excuse to invade [Re: Xlea321]
    #2241947 - 01/14/04 04:42 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

I know getting an honest answer out of you is an impossible task, but what conclusion do you allege I "reached"? 



Now that you've yet again made a buffoon of yourself, which I really enjoy watching you do, show me where I said YOU reached a conclusion?

Or is your name now "some people"?

:lol:


Edit: spelling.


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Edited by luvdemshrooms (01/14/04 08:56 PM)


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