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Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? * 1
    #22424258 - 10/23/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Hey everyone I've been researching Schizophrenia on my own time for about a year now. I've always been fascinated by this "illness", however now I don't think that it is an illness. I believe schizophrenia is some sort of evolutionary advantage. If you think about it schizophrenia is almost always genetic. People who have schizophrenia usually have hallucinations and delusions. People in America mostly report their symptoms to be terrible and threatening, yet people in more undeveloped countries report their symptoms to be helpful and good. (http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/07/when-hearing-voices-is-a-good-thing/374863/)

I once saw a nightline about schizophrenia and recall seeing a 6 year old girl talking to imaginary fairies and what not. Think about it if you were a kid wouldn't you love schizophrenia!? It seems as if schizophrenia is the development of a super mind. A magnified imagination. I imagine a delusion can be positive as well. Perhaps you can figure out truths through delusions. I believe the problem is what goes into peoples minds within our society and that is why schizophrenics have negative symptoms here. But say we we're in a perfect society.. wouldn't schizophrenia be amazing? If you had no tv but you can create your own reality right in front of your eyes. I also read another article that pretty much says this.
" I think Chester Brown also discusses this in one of his comics. I read it a million years ago but as I remember it his mom is schizophrenic and he was talking about how he thought it was some dark element of our culture that made such a large percentage of schizophrenic delusions negative, rather than an inherent element in the disease itself. i.e., that one could be schizophrenic without being paranoid."http://ask.metafilter.com/242410/Whats-behind-schizophrenic-hallucinations

What do you guys think could schizophrenia be the evolution of our minds?


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: LiquidVisions]
    #22424265 - 10/23/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

So does that make cancer an evolutionary advantage too?


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: LiquidVisions]
    #22424285 - 10/23/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Posted about this in a different thread, but you may find this relevant to your interests:



Biology lecture delving into schizotypalism, how it develops in families that have a tendency for schizophrenia, and how factors such as hearing voices at the right time is an evolutionary advantage even though schizophrenia is not.

Basic premise is that schizophrenia continues to exist despite being detrimental, because a closely related condition provides an advantage which means that people with the full-blown problematic version are acceptable in the larger scheme of things.

He also touches on issues like OCD and the impact it had on the life of Martin Luther, and how such conditions can be beneficial in the context of religiosity.


short form of the lecture which summarizes strictly the numbers and implications around schizophrenia and schizotypalism.


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22424294 - 10/23/15 07:04 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

No but it is a mutation. Evolution is caused through mutations. In our society schizophrenia could never be an advantage but maybe in a more natural environment it can work is all im suggesting here.


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: LiquidVisions]
    #22424308 - 10/23/15 07:08 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Smoking weed with schizos is fun :shrug:


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: madmodder]
    #22425249 - 10/23/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

it's a warning sign of dementia that is really dualistic or a medical coma


Edited by Konyap (10/23/15 11:11 PM)


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: LiquidVisions]
    #22425272 - 10/23/15 11:18 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22425663 - 10/24/15 02:19 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Bodhi of Ankou said:
So does that make cancer an evolutionary advantage too?




It could.


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 2
    #22425665 - 10/24/15 02:23 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Bodhi of Ankou said:
So does that make cancer an evolutionary advantage too?



What a stupid fucking comparison.

Good job.


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: LiquidVisions] * 6
    #22425669 - 10/24/15 02:27 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

LiquidVisions said:
I believe schizophrenia is some sort of evolutionary advantage. 



Sounds like something a schizophrenic person would say


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: madmodder]
    #22425807 - 10/24/15 04:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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madmodder said:
Smoking weed with schizos is fun :shrug:



Oh yeah? Imagine it on salvia like these 2 guys


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: TioWWW999]
    #22425886 - 10/24/15 05:29 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Free pudding.

There are plenty of genetic traits that aren't evolutionary advantages.  Human societies have been and are compassionate to the defective, which slows their elimination from the gene pool.  Some traits are also probably failed versions or mutations of traits that were beneficial, and in a sense, schizophrenics are a cost of doing business, a built-in failure rate in production design.  Bad traits can persist when they are, in all, coupled with more important good traits.  Add to that, humans can survive in some extremely demented/deranged states.

Anyway, I'm not uncompassionate or arguing that human societies should go naturally selecting, only saying that we choose to allow the propagation of traits that would otherwise limit survival severely.


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: LiquidVisions] * 3
    #22426054 - 10/24/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Op you're a moron If you legitimately think schizophrenia is an evolutionary advantage. :dumbass:


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22426081 - 10/24/15 07:31 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

I believe schizophrenia runs through anxiety, so im pretty sure the child would be paranoid about why a fairy is talking to them.


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: Chakanooga] * 4
    #22426088 - 10/24/15 07:35 AM (8 years, 3 months ago)

Runs through anxiety? What does that even mean?

I really thought op was gonna present a good argument for this absurd theory. But instead all I got was, "bro wouldn't it be like so cool to be a kid and have schizophrenia? You can talk to fairies and shit."

Schizophrenia is a severe mental illness that destroys the quality of life for a majority of the individuals that are diagnosed


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22427737 - 10/24/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

yeah schizophrenia is like a stroke or brain tumor
it's like a really bad sunburn inside your brain at all times


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: Konyap] * 2
    #22428070 - 10/24/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

A sunburn inside your brain huh? That sounds pretty scientificly accurate :shocking:


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #22428123 - 10/24/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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Schizophrenia is a severe mental illness that destroys the quality of life for a majority of the individuals that are diagnosed




Tend to agree with this. I haven't heard a compelling "advantage" that schizophrenia would provide.


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: badchad] * 2
    #22428176 - 10/24/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

But dude like Terrence McKenna said it was like a part of shaminism, and he's totally a leading authority on mental health.


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Re: Schizophrenia Evolutionary Advantage? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #22428183 - 10/24/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 3 months ago)

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