Home | Community | Message Board
You are not signed in.
Sign In New Account
Forum Index Search Posts Trusted Vendors Highlights Galleries FAQ User List Chat Store Random Growery

Kratom Eye
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.

Mushrooms, Mycology and Psychedelics > The Psychedelic Experience
Threaded Mode Threaded  Previous topic Previous  View all topics Index  Next topic Next 

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   Myyco.com Isolated Cubensis Liquid Culture For Sale   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Sporeworks.EU Spores for European Microscopy

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
The race for the ultimate trip, somewhat disturbing? * 2
    #22387580 -

Having finally gotten my head out of the cultivation threads and on the this one I find there is a trend among many of the noobies here to want to search for that ultimate trip in terms of potency, dosing, and bragging rights.

I was for many years into teaching scuba diving and the same thing can be seen there with new divers, especially those with a few dives under their belts. Wanting to go deeper and further with each new dive, as if that was some sort of a badge of being a good diver. They go beyond what their abilities and experience can handle. Sure if all goes well on the dive then no worries but what happens when things don't go well? It is then that experience pays off in spades allowing you to handle emergencies in a productive manner.

The same holds true for tripping. Any idiot can consume too much and most likely will come through the experience without any ill or lasting effects but that is not what tripping is supposed to be about. It is not a game to see who can get the most high rather it is, or should be, a learning experience. You will gain experience and insight with each trip.

Most long time trippers don't keep going for broke each time. They have determined what their own particular dosage is to give a good enjoyable trip and not one where their psychi is being challenged for its very existence. Not that I mean to say they haven't tried big doses, they have, we all have, but there really isn't anything more out there to find so going looking for it is a somewhat pointless endeavor. Undoubtedly an endeavor that most who keep tripping do go looking for at some point but it shouldn't be your first priority by any means. By proclaiming to the world that you've just done your first trip on 8 grams of dried shrooms and that you remember little or nothing about it beyond being totally lost and confused you make yourself look like the rank beginner you are.

Start low and slow and work upwards over time to a point where you know you've pushed it then back off to a point where you are comfortable and it is a consistent joy to trip. The best trippers are not the folks who do the most but are those that have the most fun while staying safe.

There are old trippers and there are bold trippers but there are very few old bold trippers. My first trip was June 1st, 1969, when I was but 15 years old and had never even seen a drug let alone done one. That first trip was on acid and it didn't take long for me to become a true acid head doing it 1 to 3 times a week, however I've seen too many friends hurt themselves with drugs not to treat them with a good deal of respect.

So please trip well and trip safe because this just isn't worth screwing up the rest of your life over. (a refrain that even I must be reminded of regularly). Life is a trip unto itself, a really big and important one, and you don't want to miss it.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: The race for the ultimate trip, somewhat disturbing? [Re: Still_tripping]
    #22387606 -

:thumbup: well put. Many folks seem to see these substances as harmless toys, when in reality things can & do go wrong.  I was all about pushing the limits for the first few years. Nowadays, no thanks. Don't feel the need to do it that often, and don't feel the need to go buck wild. Less is more.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: The race for the ultimate trip, somewhat disturbing? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #22387638 -

I don't really see many n00bz asking for 7 gram first trips in the TPE forum, but i've only been here for 14 years so maybe I missed something :smirk:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: The race for the ultimate trip, somewhat disturbing? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #22387660 -

Plenty of noobs here brag about taking massive doses.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: The race for the ultimate trip, somewhat disturbing? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #22387693 -

Most of the threads when dealing with new people are asking dosage advice, as someone who handles tons of threads in here, I can assure you the massive amount of repeat dosage question threads year in and year out is staggering. I don't know why you guys are acting surprised with the "I can do more than you" type of attitude in regards to drug use, especially in younger and less experienced users. Forcing others to conform to your ideas of dosage, of what to expect from a trip, isn't really what this forum is about. If some people want an overly intense experience they have every right to have it. I had several when I was very new to shrooms, two particularly terrifying ego death experiences back to back. One from 7+ grams and the other a similar massive dose a couple of weeks later.  There was certainly good value in those experiences for me and I still remember them over 15 years later.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: The race for the ultimate trip, somewhat disturbing? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #22387698 -

psilocybinjunkie said:
I don't really see many n00bz asking for 7 gram first trips in the TPE forum, but i've only been here for 14 years so maybe I missed something :smirk:


The one I read was actually talking about having done 8 and it isn't so much the first timers, who still normally use caution, it is those with a few trips only.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: The race for the ultimate trip, somewhat disturbing? [Re: Still_tripping]
    #22387755 -

I was one of those people you are passing judgement on as I pointed out my above post and I don't really appreciate the sweeping derogatory generalization where you deem some superior to others based on your own approach and universal expectations for other people in their own personal journy with psychedelics. I had every right to pursue the type of experience I wanted and still do. Did I get more than I could handle? Most definitely. Did it teach me respect the hard way? Yes. Should others be allowed to follow their own path and reach their own conclusions on what dosage is right for their own mind and bodies? Yes.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: The race for the ultimate trip, somewhat disturbing? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #22387795 -

psilocybinjunkie said:
I was one of those people you are passing judgement on as I pointed out my above post and I don't really appreciate the sweeping derogatory generalization where you deem some superior to others based on your own approach and universal expectations for other people in their own personal journy with psychedelics. I had every right to pursue the type of experience I wanted and still do. Did I get more than I could handle? Most definitely. Did it teach me respect the hard way? Yes. Should others be allowed to follow their own path and reach their own conclusions on what dosage is right for their own mind and bodies? Yes.


What you say is absolutely true and I apologize for sounding judgemental, I didn't mean to be.

I had just finished reading a post from someone who on their 2nd trip was being advised "to go for it" and that bothered me. Like you I learned the hard way that things can go wrong and if you were to give advice to nooby trippers what would you feel is the right thing to say? Myself I hate to see people being hurt and if I can make a difference I'll try. In 1969 we just didn't know any better but not everyone is wanting to learn the hard way.

Again my apologies if I offended you.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: The race for the ultimate trip, somewhat disturbing? [Re: Still_tripping]
    #22387863 -

For a new tripper you can advise discretion and stress how important set and setting are. If the set and setting are great they can likely ride out whatever type of experience they choose. It is just important to remember that other people, like we ourselves have, will find out the hard way when they've taken way too much. After a first time trip I am pretty open to a person going for whatever type of dose they are bold enough to try as long as their set and setting are appropriate. If it's outside and not in a controlled setting then obviously only a lower dose should be recommended. If they have an ideal safe indoor set and setting and have at least one trip under their belt then you can kind of suggest what type of dose you think would be best, or what they can expect from a massive dose if they choose to go after a trip into the abyss...

I only really advise first time trippers on low doses like 2.5 gram range, after they've tripped once they can decide if they want more of and experience or less. Some people just want more from it and enjoy the intensity, my friend refuses anything lower than 3.2 under any situation because he can't tolerate mild experiences, it isn't enjoyable for him. I am a bit more flexible with my dosage and still get too high sometimes even if I haven't taken an overly large dose. You can never really tell what a trip will give you, so sometimes even modest doses can become a handful. So overall I think it's just nice if people can be positive and share their experiences on the various dosages and trips they've had with others. I just try my best to be honest about it and in life now as well. I think this is an amazing place for people to come and get support in their journies and share their experiences with others.

good vibes :mushroom2:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: The race for the ultimate trip, somewhat disturbing? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #22387897 -

And to you mate. :thumbup::mushroom2:


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: The race for the ultimate trip, somewhat disturbing? [Re: Still_tripping]
    #22387918 -

I like to push my limits a bit, but I have enough experience to know my limits and how far I want to push them.

Gradual fractional increase is generally best when testing the waters.


--------------------
"Cosmic Love is absolutelely ruthless and highly indifferent:
it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not."

John C. Lily

 

Edited by nicechrisman (10/16/15 11:08 AM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: The race for the ultimate trip, somewhat disturbing? [Re: psilocybinjunkie] * 1
    #22387949 -

What pisses me off are the drug elitest posts from folks that act like they are better than other drug users when they're dosing every week, as well as the "natural is better" BS. These substances aren't toys, they can cause harm, and the holier than thou "I eat shrooms, and I feel spiritual so I'm better than the druggies" is inherently a load of crap.

Far as dosing goes, too many people recommend dosing high.....or recommend tripping again/upping the dosage when someone has a bad trip. That's bad advice. Especially when it comes to LSD, I see people that have obviously never taken the doses that they think they have recommending super high doses.  You want to dose high, than dose high. Lord knows I used to. But acting like it's no big deal is dumb. These aren't toys.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: The race for the ultimate trip, somewhat disturbing? [Re: Still_tripping]
    #22387994 -

This guy pissed all over his house and almost ripped his dick off because he doubled his previous dose of 4 aco dmt
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22371267/page/3/fpart/1


--------------------
"Cosmic Love is absolutelely ruthless and highly indifferent:
it teaches its lessons whether you like/dislike them or not."

John C. Lily

 

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: The race for the ultimate trip, somewhat disturbing? [Re: nicechrisman]
    #22396141 -

There are many reasons people trip: partying, escapism, spirituality, thrill seeking and adventure.  Everybody tends to go a little overboard in their initial honeymoon phase, tripping too often, pushing the boundaries of what they've done until they find their limit or sweet-spot. 

Then there's the issue of self control- impulsivity and addiction.  Some people are running from themselves and their lives, trying to stay in that magic tripping paradise all the time by re-dosing every day or going on acid binges, or else trying to totally obliterate their selves with heroic doses to escape their ego and merge with the totality. 

There's a lot of harm that can be done with irresponsible use.  I've personally found that with meditation and a little experience, the healing, spiritual aspects of psychedelics can all be had at the standard high doses, like 5g cubensis or 150mcg LSD, and the more experience you have at tripping, the lower the dose you can take and still get that perfect paradisaical trip.  Beyond taking what it takes to reach transcendence and cross the threshold of ego death, you're not really guaranteeing anything more by taking more than a higher risk of negative side effects.

The way I see the people who are constantly bragging about their ludicrous high doses is that they are the psychedelic community's equivalent of the chest thumping frat guys that brag about how much booze they can take.  Taking such a high dose that you white out, can't remember anything afterward and basically have a psychotic episode is in no way fun, helpful, safe, spiritual or any of the good things I see as justifying our use of these drugs, and to me it's about as cool as doing a keg stand, getting in a fight, puking all over the place then passing out in the bushes, which is to say, not fucking cool at all. 

It takes a certain kind of stupid, competitive macho man with the kind of impulse control and thrill seeking behavior problems that most of us grow out of in our teens or early twenties to engage in such senseless, wasteful debauchery.  Not to say I haven't gotten way too fucked up and made a fool of myself, but psychedelics are a huge part of the reason that I don't do that kind of thing anymore.  It's a childish, hollow behavior that goes against the grain of what many of us see as the sacred and profound aspects of the psychedelic experience and the very lessons we've learned from these drugs.     

Eating too much acid, losing your shit and jumping off a roof, breaking a leg then limping around naked until you get arrested just isn't cool.  After a certain point, dosing too high endangers the user and everyone around them, and causes headline grabbing disasters that keep these drugs illegal while the rest of us take sensible doses at home and merge with the God-head and hope that we don't get our doors kicked down one day for practicing our religion. 

If somebody can eat an ounce of mushrooms and not make a fool of themselves, get some kind of profound, life changing experience that they remember for the rest of their lives, that's awesome, I'd like to read the trip report, but most of the high dose trip reports I've read sound about like the disasters I'd expect them to be.   

Do I feel the urge to go a little further and push my boundaries when I find I've become too comfortable?  Sure, but do I think I'll ever find it appealing or necessary to eat and ounce of mushrooms?  No, I'd just puke my guts out, white or black out, piss my wife off so bad she'd leave me and not even remember a minute of the whole experience the next morning. 

If some people want to use drugs in that way, sure whatever, people all over the world do stupid shit every day, but I'm not so sure it's a high horse to think that the ones glorifying dangerous behavior are somewhat disturbing, especially since bragging about it online and promoting it as a normal, cool thing will increase the risk of neophytes dosing too high and injuring somebody.
:philososloth:

Edited by P.Zappatecorum (10/18/15 01:15 AM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: The race for the ultimate trip, somewhat disturbing? [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #22436100 -

I was reading some of Asante's older posts about this and found one of his comments enlightening. He was suggesting that new trippers start with anywhere from 10 to 20 low dosage trips as a way of establishing "trust" with the mushroom. It is that sense of trust that will help when you get that creeping feeling that things may be getting out of hand and you are all alone. The advice is not to fight to stay in control but to let the mushroom take you where it will knowing that it is just the mushroom and all will be well soon. That is difficult advice to follow if you can not trust the mushroom.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: The race for the ultimate trip, somewhat disturbing? [Re: Still_tripping]
    #22437609 -

IMO everybody should trip on shrooms at least 3 times a week.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: The race for the ultimate trip, somewhat disturbing? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #22437671 -

psilocybinjunkie said:
Should others be allowed to follow their own path and reach their own conclusions on what dosage is right for their own mind and bodies? Yes.


Should others be allowed to advise against goofy dosing--7,8,10 grams (I have seen it go higher)? Yes.


--------------------
My father used to say: I don't care what else you do in life, just don't be an asshole. People, forgive me when I forget what my daddy said.

Cut back the proliferating list of people whose opinions can hurt you. Unless they have done or want to do you some good, their views are just not worth tracking.
Saul Bellow

“People are just cannibals unless they leave each other alone.” Doris Lessing

Those whom the gods would save, they dower with compassion. Mr. P.  Silocybin

Edited by champinhom (10/26/15 08:59 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   Myyco.com Isolated Cubensis Liquid Culture For Sale   North Spore Bulk Substrate   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Sporeworks.EU Spores for European Microscopy

Mushrooms, Mycology and Psychedelics > The Psychedelic Experience
Threaded Mode Threaded  Previous topic Previous  View all topics Index  Next topic Next 

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* First trip with Experiance Martingoose 3,008 13 05/16/16 04:11 PM
by PsylioSynethesis
* Tripping after being sober for awhile/high dose trip advice. New post. Plain 1,595 19 03/19/18 09:01 AM
by Universe Unknown
* Conscructing the Psychedelic Experience Kid 8,724 14 05/30/17 10:50 AM
by CactiLover
* Different trip from different strain myth! Fd3000 6,434 19 07/25/02 03:00 AM
by Fd3000
* Tripping while scuba diving
( 1 2 all )		 Lord_of_Fungus 9,681 39 11/14/06 09:47 AM
by circularvortex
* Tripping leading to anxiety?
( 1 2 3 all )		 ShRo_0My 10,775 45 01/04/21 04:49 AM
by Tom66
* Re: Absolute Best Trip Song
( 1 2 3 4 all )		 fbetsy 14,525 71 08/21/00 08:53 PM
by GaijinZ
* First Time Trip plannng. TripFiend 1,836 10 07/21/02 05:18 PM
by anton420man

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: psilocybinjunkie, Asante, Rose, mushboy, LogicaL Chaos, Northerner, bodhisatta
2,000 topic views. 1 members, 200 guests and 31 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2026 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.026 seconds spending 0.008 seconds on 14 queries.