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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Juiceh]
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Juiceh said:
Mad Season said:
Also sfds need some proper care. Cutting them can fuck up the fibers, and I've heard of a lot of people having problems from getting them cfds wet and moldy.


You gotta be pretty retarded and be using a jacked up set of scissors to fuckup cutting SFDs. Cutting filter patches is pretty much one of the easiest things in this hobby to do. I've seen that about CFDs too. I accidentally ordered some a while back and haven't used them after reading about that.


I agree with everything else but this. Have you actually looked at what they look like before and after cutting under a microscope? It's literally 10 filters pressed together. That's 20-40 fibers. On almost every sponsor page it says don't cut sfds due to messing fibers up.

TheEaglesGift said:
Dr. Holiday from Aloha says not to cut the CFDs due to weakening of the fibers which can cause failure. He's a pretty smart guy, I'll take his word for it.


Quoted from sponsors: "manually hand-cutting synthetic filter discs into small circles tears the synthetic fibers of the disc and results in an increase in pore size of the disc (making it ineffective against contaminants)".

They've looked under microscopes at it. I'd suggest you try it and tell me your findings. Overall full filter discs are far more effective, and last forever in full.


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Edited by Mad Season (07/12/15 11:37 AM)

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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Mad Season]
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Interesting.. I will have to take a look next time I make lids. I'm actually in the process of having a tool made so that I can use a press to cut perfectly circular discs, the same way the actual discs are made. Wouldn't the messed up fibers be where the silicone gets squished into when you apply the patch?


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Edited by Juiceh (07/12/15 04:40 PM)

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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Juiceh]
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I'm not entirely sure beyond that. Just that on a microscopic level, theyre very delicate. Lots of things can mess up the fibers. They should be treated with care. Definitely not ran through a dish washer. I'm not sure how much the fibers will tear or open up, but I am sure that I don't like risking it. If you were to cut them, cut them so there's excessive clearance between the ge hole and the edge of the filter. That's my only recommendation. Lots of people cut them so tiny. I wouldn't trust those at all. I'd definitely recommend bigger filters, if not just using the whole filter.


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Juiceh]
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Juiceh said:
Sure experimenting is fun, if you have funds to burn. Why dick around experimenting pissing away your hard earned money, when there are much more reliable options that have been proven on here with years of experimentation already? That's what this site is for, seeing the experimentation done by others so you don't have to piss away time effort and money repeating whats already been tried. If I made minimum wage then I would want the highest success rate possible for my money and time invested. Failure hits harder when you are scraping by to put your efforts together.


We're talking about enough polyfil to accommodate my entire time in the hobby for the price of a couple discs. A bag of WBS is five bucks, and I already had some, the jars can be used forever, and a few CCs from a syringe, were talking less than $15 bucks. If you have to worry about being thrifty beyond that, bad hobby to choose. But I do get where you are coming from. However, to me, you can read all the guides in the world, but it will never replicate or replace actual experience. And besides, there are seasoned cultivators here who have differing opinions of how to do things.

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You don't fill the GE hole with silicone, that's a SHIP. You silicone around the hole and apply the patch over the hole, any silicone that squeezes out into the middle and obstructs the hole gets torn off after it dries.


Thanks for that, I think I get it now.

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What's this about flame sterilizing AFTER stabbing through? You're supposed to do that before you stab your SHIP. Polyfill is not exactly self healing, a hot needle can and will leave a hole in your polyfill that you probably won't notice if you inoculate through it, which makes this a bad idea. I've also seen posts on here where the hot needle stuck to polyfill and when they pulled out the needle the polyfill came with it. There are also plenty of post where people have difficulty getting the needle through, or they push the polyfill through. Why do you want to dick around with any of that crap? You should never inoculate through your filter material anyway for obvious reasons, this is just bad practice. Sure people have gotten away with it in the past, people have also gotten away with open air inoculations. If you're dead set on using Polyfill for GE, at least make SHIPs too so you're not stabbing through your filter material, or just lift the lid(in aseptic conditions) that would be better than stabbing through your filter.



Clearly I misspoke about flaming. Obviously its flame, alcohol wipe to injection, flame again. Good point about making the SHIP to save the filter too, but you live and learn, right? So if all this grain contams, I learn, won't use the same method, and then adapt and overcome.
Monkey see, monkey do is great when your just starting, or don't care about why your doing these things. But personally I like to make mistakes, and this isn't a second job for me, so if shit goes south I can make observations and correct behaviors without it being a big deal.

Different strokes brother.


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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ZeroBoyWD said:
Different strokes brother.


Indeed :cheers:

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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD] * 1
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ZeroBoyWD said:
If you could pick up SFD's at walmart, I probably would...


edit* found the Original tek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14488446
Just a tip to anyone else IMHO easy felt from Hobby lobby/craft store (maybe Walmart?) Is pretty much generic SFDs,

and I don't even glue mine I section big enough to pull through a hole snugly. Never had any problems.


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: RickSanchezC137]
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Cheers for that dawg! The 26th can't come soon enough huh?

Ok so peering through the lid of my bulk, it looks like colony is speeding up. So for a casing I just mix more peat/coir and sprinkling on top?


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Edited by ZeroBoyWD (07/13/15 02:00 AM)

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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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ZeroBoyWD said:
Cheers for that dawg! The 26th can't come soon enough huh?

Ok so peering through the lid of my bulk, it looks like colony is speeding up. So for a casing I just mix more peat/coir and sprinkling on top?


Ideally + verm is my understanding (some would say just verm), personally I don't use one as ive had success w/o casing layer

Oh and I found leaks so 26th came sooner than hoped :P

Edited by RickSanchezC137 (07/13/15 03:33 AM)

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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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ZeroBoyWD said:
Clearly I misspoke about flaming. Obviously its flame, alcohol wipe to injection, flame again.


You should never wipe after flaming.


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: SizlChest]
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Its soaked in 91 iso. Why not?


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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Flames sterilize, alcohol sanitizes.  In other words there's still shit on that wipe.

Also 70% iso is what you want to use.  It sanitizes better than 90+.  Still won't sterilize :wink:


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: paperbackwriter]
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Hmmm.... I guess I rationalized that we use synthetics for our filters and stuff but didn't take into account that they get in the PC with the jar... Makes sense. Haven't had an issue yet, guess I got lucky. I haven't built a SAB yet either (LAZINESS WILL BE MY UNDOING) so I've been using sterile wipes on my needle to move it to the jar, over the filter, pull the wipe, in and out, back to fire.

Also, I use 70 for everything else


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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So before I crack this tub open to take another picture of my bulk and let out more CO2, where exactly is colonized? I've seen picture of people with solid white bulk tubs, but then I've also seen ones that look closer to mine. I got myc all over the surface now (looks like someone mixed a bunch of perlite up) but its not like its ultra thick.... I can see the ropey parts of myc running all through the surface and reaching up out of the tub, but I don't know if I'm supposed to wait until its super condensed...


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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you just want myc to cover theentire surface.
open the lid and take a pic, your co2 levels will be right up again after you close the lid.


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: spacechildo]
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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wait longer, there's still large uncolonized patches.


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: spacechildo]
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Yeah I see that now, better than trying to peer through the foggy lid. The big stripe in the middle especially. But I want it to be like it is on the right side of the tub, correct?


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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Nope. Even more colonized than that. Almost solid white.


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Mad Season]
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Patience is a hard won virtue X_X

So I've been thinking about how I am gonna fruit when the time comes. I've been told that I can just plop it in my SGFC, but I would imagine that the size of the tub in the chamber would interfere with FAE.

So I've also seen where people take an identical tub and flip it on top with a couple polyfil holes in the top. I'm out of my depth here, super excited but finding it hard to decide how to proceed next week (or hopefully not 2+)


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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I'd do the dub tub! flip a similar tub on top.


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