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ZeroBoyWD
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#21877029 - 06/30/15 08:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Howdy. Feels great to be back in the Shroomery after several years. Now that the pleasantries are behind us, lets get right down to brass tacks. To preface though, I'm on my second bottle of Cabernet and I may tend to ramble.
Ok, so after happenstance got some cubes in my system for the first time in years I ended up getting some spores on a drunken whim. When I found some wide mouth half pints INSIDE a store, I knew it was meant to be.
Ya see, the last time I went through this I rushed in half cocked. Full pint jars, poor sterilization, some mutant hybrid between the PMP and SGFC. Lessons were learned, oh yes I learned (The whole point of this hobby right?) I used three syringes to shoot up 8 pints, lost half my stock to contaminates and still ended up with a respectable 17g all said and done (Fuck you, it was respectable to people who thought I couldn't do it)
This time I did things differently. I didn't bother making a glove box, last time I ended up stabbing myself through my gloves. This time I sterilized the shit out of the bathroom with Lysol, brought in my pot holding my sterilized jars, rubbed everything down with 70% Iso and used a torch lighter to sterilize my needle between injections.
I am amazed with my results. I don't have a large steamer pot so I had to do my jars in two batches. I also wanted to stretch my syringe a little farther and leave the option to make some LC after the fact, so I only used three injection sites instead of 4. The first batch of 5 was inoculated 13 days ago and is at 95% colonization, the second batch 12 days ago and is between 70-80% colonized.
What strikes me as so incredible is how brazen I was about inoculating in open air and yet the rapid colonization has taken hold without any sign of contaminates. I used a pressure cooker last time and lost half my stock and this time I just boiled my jars for two hours. But still, questions arise.
************************* QUERY: With only a days worth of difference between batches, why did my first batch colonize faster, with expected completion at 14-17 days, while my second group seems to be moving a bit slower, expected completion at 17-20 days? *************************
Nonetheless, the next stage is upon me. Birth is less than a week away, and I must make some decisions.
************************* QUERY: Should I dunk and roll my cakes directly after birth or wait until the first flush is done? *************************
My gut instinct tells me that, yes, I should dunk and roll.... The last time I went through this I did no dunk and roll at any point (We still thought the PMP was viable! Give me a little slack!) and saw a definite slow down in growth that at the time I attributed to a low humidity. But given that I went from somewhere in the low 20g range wet and dried to 17, I think dehydration was more the issue than humidity. But let me explain why I believed humidity to be the problem.
At the time I was living in pretty rugged conditions. I didn't even own a drill (how could I call myself a man) so when I made a brutish attempt at a SGFC I used a hot nail to punch holes all through my container. Having made a proper one this time, I can look back and say with a good deal of certainty that the diameter of the holes was much less than the recommended 1/4". I ended up throwing a couple airstones in the bottom of the tote and it seemed to push my humidity where it needed to be.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ TECH SPECIFIC QUERY: My room maintains a temperature between 75-80°F and a standing RH of 40-45%. Is a properly made SGFC enough to maintain the humidity needed inside the chamber? My chamber measures 22L x 13W x 12H and I intend to fill it with 5" of perlite (slightly less than half the container.) $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Its amazing how much easier this stuff gets once you really get into it. So much fascination and intrigue and more questions.... That further understanding is more rewarding than the yield.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21877055 - 06/30/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Since you already made a sgfc, spawn your jars to bulk in a Tupperware container and throw it in there. Nothing fancy, just some coir from petsmart and vermiculite.
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No PC. That would be an issue wouldn't it? I've never done a bulk before, just PF. Are the yields really that much higher?
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21877412 - 06/30/15 10:24 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ZeroBoyWD said: No PC. That would be an issue wouldnt it?
No you pasteurize bulk substrates by heating them to between 150f and 170f for at least an hour. No pressure cooker needed. I usually put my bulk into plastic myco bags and heat on the stove in a pot of water. Works perfect every time.
Some people use damions bucket tek, but this is not a true pasteurization.
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ZeroBoyWD said: No PC. That would be an issue wouldnt it?
No you pasteurize bulk substrates by heating them to between 150f and 170f for at least an hour.
140-160f for no more than 1 hour
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: FriedEgg]
#21877438 - 06/30/15 10:30 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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to each their own. I've pasteurized for longer than an hour with no adverse effects whatsoever.
And 170 is perfectly safe. Any higher and you near sterilization temps.
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probably luck. it also depends on your substrate. if you are sterilizing coir you'll probably be ok. but manure won't be as forgiving. over the long run you'll have more success if you properly pasteurize instead of partially sterilize.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: FriedEgg]
#21877480 - 06/30/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ya you're right, coir is pretty forgiving. I would never recommend getting it over 170, but if you hit 170 you'll be fine. Any higher and you start to sterilize but I always shoot for between 150 and 170 just to be sure. Especially when working with manure. I usually aim for 160 dead on.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: FriedEgg]
#21877484 - 06/30/15 10:43 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well my first move is going to be liquid culture. I don't trust myself to hit this thing right on the first try and I wanna have something to start over with.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21877500 - 06/30/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ZeroBoyWD said: Well my first move is going to be liquid culture. I don't trust myself to hit this thing right on the first try and I wanna have something to start over with.
if it's your first try, i wouldn't recommend starting with LC. start with grains or BRF cakes.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21877503 - 06/30/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ZeroBoyWD said: Well my first move is going to be liquid culture. I don't trust myself to hit this thing right on the first try and I wanna have something to start over with.
If thats what you are worried about, then screw LC. Get some agar and make yourself some clean inoculant. Lc is a good way to waste the remainder of your spores
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Dude, find a coir tek and read it. That shit is damn near sailor proof. People do it in a 5 gal bucket all the time... without pasteurization! Don't be afraid to raise your ph to 9. The myc can handle it but contamination cant. Here is Frank's coir method. I am not Frank. You should thank Frank. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17325780#17325780
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I sterilize my coir, in my PC, all the time. The bucket tek will work. I only pasteurize straw and poo.
Bulk in general does give you better results. If you don't have a PC, crumble some brf cakes to a tray or tub and mix with a bulk substrate. Coir is an incredibly easy starting point for bulk substrates.
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caveman421 said: Dude, find a coir tek and read it. That shit is damn near sailor proof. People do it in a 5 gal bucket all the time... without pasteurization! http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17325780#17325780
Are you saying it can be done without any sterilization of the coir? I've never done a bulk grow so I'm pretty clueless here, but that still sounds dubious.
Can anyone explain to me why the gypsum is important? Its doable but a bit of a drive if I'm gonna pick it up in the next few days.
OK but assuming I follow Frank's bucket tek, I mix the stuff up, take a few cakes and crumble them into a tray (thinking like a seedling started tray?) and then just fill the rest with my bulk substrate. Sound good?
How much additional time can I expect to add from using this method and are the yields seriously that much more impressive?
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21882112 - 07/01/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Coir is Pretty contamination resistant, however I adjust my ph to about 9, as I stated above the contams don't do well at that ph. Gypsum is optional. You want your substrate 3-4 in thick. The more spawn you use the faster it will colonize, I generally use 2-4 parts bulk to 1 part spawn and see pins in about 10-14 days. And yes yields are that much better. More substrate = more available nutrients, bigger mycelium network, and more mushies. But don't take my word for it, spend 20 bucks and give it a try!
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You know I just might =) A couple of the jars in my second batch seem to have stalled out, I may excise the material and then crumble them into a case. So I'm looking at mixing 2.5 pints of crumbled cakes to 5 pints of coir/verm mix.
What is your preferred method for raising the ph? Do you adjust it in the water before mixing the coir up or do you mix in a pinch of limestone when stirring the mix?
Thanks, btw, for the advice, I'm a bit outta my depth when it comes to anything past PF Tek. Super excited to try this though.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21882351 - 07/01/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ZeroBoyWD said: and used a torch lighter to sterilize my needle between injections.
This is probably why you had better luck this time around.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Juiceh]
#21882783 - 07/01/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I also wiped my syringe down with 91% ISO, especially around the cap. I think that made a huge difference. Also, not sticking yourself with the needle on accident is a plus.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21884028 - 07/01/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ZeroBoyWD said: I also wiped my syringe down with 91% ISO, especially around the cap. I think that made a huge difference. Also, not sticking yourself with the needle on accident is a plus.
if wiping your syringe with alcohol, be careful while flaming the needle. my whole hand caught on fire a few times this way.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: FriedEgg]
#21884066 - 07/01/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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LOL thats great. I mean, thats terrible. Just a damp wipe rubbed across did the trick, but good advice.
Always use caution when working with combustibles
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21884098 - 07/01/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ZeroBoyWD said: LOL thats great. I mean, thats terrible. Just a damp wipe rubbed across did the trick, but good advice.
Always use caution when working with combustibles
I shrieked like a little girl, jumped up and knocked over my SAB in the process. A glass petri dish fell out and shattered all over the floor and I stepped over broken glass (barefoot) while on my way to the sink. Not my best experience down mycology lane so far.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21884148 - 07/01/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Very sorry if this is the wrong place for this but I am new to forum and can't for the life of me figure out how to make my own post and really need some advice.
To make this short, SWIM has a garden and their friends family has a giant cow manure compost pile. SWIM took a few chunks of this compost to use as fertilizer for their garden and left them in the car for a couple days. Today SWIM said he took them out of the car and was breaking them up and spreading them at the base of his plants when he noticed some white pins with golden centers popping up from one of the chunks. SWIM is wondering what he can do to further encourage growth of these pins. Would it be wise to leave them in humid greenhouse or will light destroy these little ones? I can't identify them yet but hope to when they grow up. Thank you for any information that you are able to provide
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: gol123die]
#21884179 - 07/01/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some one you met should first be certain that they are indeed the right species before proceeding.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: gol123die]
#21884196 - 07/01/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your friend Mr. Swim has a strange name. Is he a swimming fanatic or something? Tell him the green house should be fine.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: FriedEgg]
#21885279 - 07/01/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I use the ph up i use for my hydroponics, sometimes baking soda. I just adjust my water and add it to the coir.
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Uhg, all my stuff got thrown out last week too. ("Well you weren't gonna grow anymore anytime soon right?" "Yeah but I at least could have sold some of that stuff to recoup my costs!")
So I'm thinking I'll line a milk jug with black plastic and give that a whirl. Thanks bud, I'll update when I get situated.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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Good luck!
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I gotta stop working on drunken impulse. Alright so I mixed up Frank's coir formula as per caveman421's suggestion.

Then we got loaded up with probably not enough cakes

Crumbled...

Then filled, mixed and plastic trimmed...

Lets get this out of the way first. For my rushed, drunken, garish, detestable hubris, I deserve and expect nothing more than abject failure in this venture. BUT! We can't dwell on the mistakes of the past, and must move forward amicably!
I've got the lid latched now. Its one of those walmart 12qt totes that has the latches on the side. Seems loose enough to allow gas exchange but should I unhinge it just cause?
This is also my first casing, uncharted territory, a new frontier. Fuck I get expositional for parts that don't matter when I drink...
SO! Do I just leave this sitting around until I see more colonization or do I just plop this thing in my SGFC with(out) the lid on?
Hurl your harsh criticisms, I deserve them in spades! And as always, thanks for the advice in advance.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21890931 - 07/03/15 12:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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casing? That looks like a bulk substrate?? :S just leave it with the lid on until it's colonized (completely white) don't put it in the sgfc
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Right, I meant bulk. Too much booze. I'm going to bed. Thanks for the correction
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natedawgnow said: to each their own. I've pasteurized for longer than an hour with no adverse effects whatsoever.
And 170 is perfectly safe. Any higher and you near sterilization temps.
You're already in sterilization times and Temps. 140-160 closer to 140 for 1 hour is best. Why? Because almost every mold spore dies at 130 for 30 minutes. 140 for 60 minutes is actually a bit of an overkill and will kill all the mold spores. The only thing higher temps and longer times does is kill more beneficial microbes which is a big nono. Manure isn't anywhere near as forgiving as coir. And that's what I always do.
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Everything looks okay. Put the lid on and wait for it to colonize. Try not to check it everyday though, it'll take a little bit longer.
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#21893438 - 07/03/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I plan to leave it just sitting there for at least a week before checking. Just to confirm though, clear lid is ok, the imperfections of the container should be sufficient for any exchange needed?
I also woke up to find some fluffy cotton on my cakes where the top of the jars were situated. X_X -sigh- time to get a PC and redouble my efforts. Don't play with your jars after inoculating folks
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: FriedEgg]
#21896286 - 07/04/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ZeroBoyWD said: LOL thats great. I mean, thats terrible. Just a damp wipe rubbed across did the trick, but good advice.
Always use caution when working with combustibles
I shrieked like a little girl, jumped up and knocked over my SAB in the process. A glass petri dish fell out and shattered all over the floor and I stepped over broken glass (barefoot) while on my way to the sink. Not my best experience down mycology lane so far.
This is another reason why I enjoy my flowhoods so much more than a SAB. I do not recommend people do this, but many times in a time crunch I have used a torch to flame sterilize my scalpel with 99.9% iso(much easier to ignite than 70% stuff) soaked gloves. As long as your ISO soaked hands are downwind and preferably off to the side of the torch no fumes will reach the torch to be ignited because of the flow of air. Do not try this with a Bic lighter!
And yes I know everyone says to use 70% for mycology. I used to dilute to 70% but skipped the extra step and haven't had a problem. My 99.9% iso comes in 5 gal boxes on a pallet. LoL
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Juiceh]
#21923132 - 07/10/15 05:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey guys, just wanted to give an update on my progress here, at a week now, excited to see my first bulk coming together.

Here's a close up of the corner. Is it common for it to suck inward like this?

And that cottony stuff looks like mycelium to me, but I wouldn't mind getting a second opinion. I'd rather not zap it with H2O2 prematurely.
So what do you guys think? About another week to full colony?
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21923400 - 07/10/15 07:29 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ZeroBoyWD said: So what do you guys think?
Don't open the tub to take pics while it's colonizing.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Juiceh]
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First time to open it, was checking, but yeah. I'm wondering how much longer I should leave it be before peeking again. Looking at the picture, if I'm extrapolating correctly I got 10-14 days before I should even crack it again... First bulk though so I'm not sure
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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It's been a week and it's only colonized that much? How thick of a top layer did you put on top of the mixed grains?
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ZeroBoyWD said: And that cottony stuff looks like mycelium to me, but I wouldn't mind getting a second opinion. I'd rather not zap it with H2O2 prematurely.
So what do you guys think? About another week to full colony?
Corner looks fine to me. There's no metabolites or weak mushroom myc around it so I'm guessing it's just more mushroom myc getting a bit fluffy and aerial near that corner.
Another week should be good.
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natedawgnow said: It's been a week and it's only colonized that much? How thick of a top layer did you put on top of the mixed grains?
Welcome to the party. 5 BRF cakes to a brick of coir. I realize this is not the ideal way to do things, but given all the trouble I'm having with fruiting another set of cakes, I think I'll be picking up a PC and switching to WBS and a monotub
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21924860 - 07/10/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wbs sucks, oats ftw
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21924864 - 07/10/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I started with WBS, just switched to Oats. They're cheaper and easier to work with.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: piratez]
#21925403 - 07/10/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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EDIT: Oh I gotcha, whole oats you roll out. Closest feed and supply store is about 45 minutes away from me and I already have WBS laying around. Again, not ideal, but I'm not trying to set up g2g transfers just yet. Just picked up the pressure cooker today. Frank's tek calls for a 1" hole in the lid? Yikes.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21925532 - 07/10/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Damn, I only use 1/4",but I also use oats.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Grey]
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Yeah, it seemed a little high. He says to stuff with polyfil tight but I'm guessing you use SFD or tyvek? I'll probably just do a 1/2" though cause that is a massive hole. I got the WBS soaking right now, should be able to do half a syringe with the amount.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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How in God's name do people work with this nonsense. Every time I jam more polyfil in the hole, it fluffs up out the other side! X_X
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21927474 - 07/11/15 05:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Try micropore tape. Much easier and neater.
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Polyfill is garbage for a filter and has no business being used for grains. Tyvek and micropore tape are also junk for this purpose. Use SFDs, do it right. Save the polyfill for the holes in your mono.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Juiceh]
#21927773 - 07/11/15 07:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I use polyfill. Since learning agar my grain contam rate is 0.
Not knocking SFD. I plan to migrate to them when I have the money as they certainly look nice. But I don't see how polyfill is garbage.
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I have had nothing but positive results using polyfil in both grain jar lids and PP5 agar "plates".
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Juiceh]
#21928930 - 07/11/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Juiceh said: Save the polyfill...
At three bucks for a medium sized pillow, I'm trying not to have this stuff lay around for eons, and yeah SFD's would be nice but they will not be the thing that determines my failure, I am. Plenty of people make polyfil work, it can be done. There is a bunch of lab equipment I'd like to have, but before I go spending my money on a bunch of expensive paperweights, I wanna have a proof of concept come to fruition first. Now if you wanna send me a fat stack out of the goodness of your heart....
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Juiceh]
#21928993 - 07/11/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Juiceh said: Polyfill is garbage for a filter and has no business being used for grains. Tyvek and micropore tape are also junk for this purpose. Use SFDs, do it right. Save the polyfill for the holes in your mono.
Not sure why you say that. Lots of people use it. And way more common years ago.
I use it. Works perfectly and quicker to make than siliconing easy felt.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: d0urd3n]
#21929032 - 07/11/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Also sfds need some proper care. Cutting them can fuck up the fibers, and I've heard of a lot of people having problems from getting them cfds wet and moldy. Poly isn't my first choice, but it can work just as well, and better for some. It's reusable and you can just stuff it tighter when needed.
Like every filter it has its pros and cons. However in terms of ease of use I feel sfds win. They won't get knocked out when shaken and realistically all you gotta do is not let them get wet. They last forever if you don't get them wet. It's not all that hard. Also they give a good peace of mind since so many people use and approve them.
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stuffed poly works great, take a big ball and fold it into a hard ball. twist one end, put same end through ge hole, grab it on the other side of the jar and pull. it gets stuck.
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I like to use needle nose pliers. You can get it super tight. Doing this, trying to get it as tight as possible without bending the lid gave near identical colonization times for me as compared to two layers of thin off brand easy felt. Only done it with MS, but multiple grows.
I dig it. Just depends on how much you like tinkering vs just getting results I suppose. I like to mess around with different techniques.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: d0urd3n]
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Exactly, experimentation. Isn't that why this is a fun hobby? Try shit, see what works, ya know. If you could pick up SFD's at walmart, I probably would. I just got lazy trying to find out if RTVing the hole in a quart lid would severely inhibit gas exchange. If I can get the grains going, then yeah, I'll consider investing. But right now, its been years since I've done any of this, its my first grain spawn, and I make minimum wage while going back to college. Polyfil, all I can ever possibly need, $3 at walmart. So eh... If I start seeing some kinda success I'll look at the upgrade.
Speaking of, with the SFD, don't you pop it open in the SAB to inoculate before putting the lid back on? I'm not sure I trust myself to that degree quite yet. I like stuff you can stab through then flame sterilize after. One day though...
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21929370 - 07/11/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ZeroBoyWD said: I like stuff you can stab through then flame sterilize after. One day though...
that's just a SHIP, a hole in the lid covered with silicone. when you silicone your sfd to the lid you dont silicone the whole and make it air tight, you apply the silicone on the metal lid around the edges of the hole!
opening a jar in a SAB is fine, we do it all thetime to put agar wedges in. just dont hover anything over an open jar or do any rapid movements to stir up air in your SAB.
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ZeroBoyWD said: I like stuff you can stab through then flame sterilize after. One day though...
that's just a SHIP, a hole in the lid covered with silicone. when you silicone your sfd to the lid you dont silicone the whole and make it air tight, you apply the silicone on the metal lid around the edges of the hole!
opening a jar in a SAB is fine, we do it all thetime to put agar wedges in. just dont hover anything over an open jar or do any rapid movements to stir up air in your SAB.
See, I still have a lot to read up on and poly works in the interim. And man those lids did not like getting 1/2" holes in em =\
And that hovering business... Yeah I need to perfect my technique first =P
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paperbackwriter said: But I don't see how polyfill is garbage.
You will never get the pore sizes down to a small enough size to be as effective as sfd by stuffing polyfill. The only way you possibly will is to flatten your polyfill with an iron and make SFDs. Due to this, polyfill grain jars dry out faster than SFD patch jars as well. Make a polyfill jar and and SFD jar of grains from the same batch and leave them on a shelf side by side for a month or 2, you will see a difference. Same goes for tyvek, ez felt and micropore tape. They are all sub par in comparison, a microscope will tell you this.
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Lots of bad teks were more common years ago. They get phased away when superior options are introduced. There's a reason why you don't see fish tank aquariums being recommended as fruiting chambers anymore, but they were way more common years ago.. It's the same reason why polyfill as a GE filter should be ditched.
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ZeroBoyWD said: Exactly, experimentation. Isn't that why this is a fun hobby? Try shit, see what works, ya know. If you could pick up SFD's at walmart, I probably would. I just got lazy trying to find out if RTVing the hole in a quart lid would severely inhibit gas exchange. If I can get the grains going, then yeah, I'll consider investing. But right now, its been years since I've done any of this, its my first grain spawn, and I make minimum wage while going back to college. Polyfil, all I can ever possibly need, $3 at walmart. So eh... If I start seeing some kinda success I'll look at the upgrade.
Speaking of, with the SFD, don't you pop it open in the SAB to inoculate before putting the lid back on? I'm not sure I trust myself to that degree quite yet. I like stuff you can stab through then flame sterilize after. One day though...
Sure experimenting is fun, if you have funds to burn. Why dick around experimenting pissing away your hard earned money, when there are much more reliable options that have been proven on here with years of experimentation already? That's what this site is for, seeing the experimentation done by others so you don't have to piss away time effort and money repeating whats already been tried. If I made minimum wage then I would want the highest success rate possible for my money and time invested. Failure hits harder when you are scraping by to put your efforts together.
You don't fill the GE hole with silicone, that's a SHIP. You silicone around the hole and apply the patch over the hole, any silicone that squeezes out into the middle and obstructs the hole gets torn off after it dries.
What's this about flame sterilizing AFTER stabbing through? You're supposed to do that before you stab your SHIP. Polyfill is not exactly self healing, a hot needle can and will leave a hole in your polyfill that you probably won't notice if you inoculate through it, which makes this a bad idea. I've also seen posts on here where the hot needle stuck to polyfill and when they pulled out the needle the polyfill came with it. There are also plenty of post where people have difficulty getting the needle through, or they push the polyfill through. Why do you want to dick around with any of that crap? You should never inoculate through your filter material anyway for obvious reasons, this is just bad practice. Sure people have gotten away with it in the past, people have also gotten away with open air inoculations. If you're dead set on using Polyfill for GE, at least make SHIPs too so you're not stabbing through your filter material, or just lift the lid(in aseptic conditions) that would be better than stabbing through your filter.
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Mad Season said: Also sfds need some proper care. Cutting them can fuck up the fibers, and I've heard of a lot of people having problems from getting them cfds wet and moldy.
You gotta be pretty retarded and be using a jacked up set of scissors to fuckup cutting SFDs. Cutting filter patches is pretty much one of the easiest things in this hobby to do. I've seen that about CFDs too. I accidentally ordered some a while back and haven't used them after reading about that.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Juiceh]
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Mad Season said: Also sfds need some proper care. Cutting them can fuck up the fibers, and I've heard of a lot of people having problems from getting them cfds wet and moldy.
You gotta be pretty retarded and be using a jacked up set of scissors to fuckup cutting SFDs. Cutting filter patches is pretty much one of the easiest things in this hobby to do. I've seen that about CFDs too. I accidentally ordered some a while back and haven't used them after reading about that.
I agree with everything else but this. Have you actually looked at what they look like before and after cutting under a microscope? It's literally 10 filters pressed together. That's 20-40 fibers. On almost every sponsor page it says don't cut sfds due to messing fibers up.
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Quoted from sponsors: "manually hand-cutting synthetic filter discs into small circles tears the synthetic fibers of the disc and results in an increase in pore size of the disc (making it ineffective against contaminants)".
They've looked under microscopes at it. I'd suggest you try it and tell me your findings. Overall full filter discs are far more effective, and last forever in full.
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Interesting.. I will have to take a look next time I make lids. I'm actually in the process of having a tool made so that I can use a press to cut perfectly circular discs, the same way the actual discs are made. Wouldn't the messed up fibers be where the silicone gets squished into when you apply the patch?
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Juiceh]
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I'm not entirely sure beyond that. Just that on a microscopic level, theyre very delicate. Lots of things can mess up the fibers. They should be treated with care. Definitely not ran through a dish washer. I'm not sure how much the fibers will tear or open up, but I am sure that I don't like risking it. If you were to cut them, cut them so there's excessive clearance between the ge hole and the edge of the filter. That's my only recommendation. Lots of people cut them so tiny. I wouldn't trust those at all. I'd definitely recommend bigger filters, if not just using the whole filter.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Juiceh]
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Sure experimenting is fun, if you have funds to burn. Why dick around experimenting pissing away your hard earned money, when there are much more reliable options that have been proven on here with years of experimentation already? That's what this site is for, seeing the experimentation done by others so you don't have to piss away time effort and money repeating whats already been tried. If I made minimum wage then I would want the highest success rate possible for my money and time invested. Failure hits harder when you are scraping by to put your efforts together.
We're talking about enough polyfil to accommodate my entire time in the hobby for the price of a couple discs. A bag of WBS is five bucks, and I already had some, the jars can be used forever, and a few CCs from a syringe, were talking less than $15 bucks. If you have to worry about being thrifty beyond that, bad hobby to choose. But I do get where you are coming from. However, to me, you can read all the guides in the world, but it will never replicate or replace actual experience. And besides, there are seasoned cultivators here who have differing opinions of how to do things.
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You don't fill the GE hole with silicone, that's a SHIP. You silicone around the hole and apply the patch over the hole, any silicone that squeezes out into the middle and obstructs the hole gets torn off after it dries.
Thanks for that, I think I get it now.
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What's this about flame sterilizing AFTER stabbing through? You're supposed to do that before you stab your SHIP. Polyfill is not exactly self healing, a hot needle can and will leave a hole in your polyfill that you probably won't notice if you inoculate through it, which makes this a bad idea. I've also seen posts on here where the hot needle stuck to polyfill and when they pulled out the needle the polyfill came with it. There are also plenty of post where people have difficulty getting the needle through, or they push the polyfill through. Why do you want to dick around with any of that crap? You should never inoculate through your filter material anyway for obvious reasons, this is just bad practice. Sure people have gotten away with it in the past, people have also gotten away with open air inoculations. If you're dead set on using Polyfill for GE, at least make SHIPs too so you're not stabbing through your filter material, or just lift the lid(in aseptic conditions) that would be better than stabbing through your filter.
Clearly I misspoke about flaming. Obviously its flame, alcohol wipe to injection, flame again. Good point about making the SHIP to save the filter too, but you live and learn, right? So if all this grain contams, I learn, won't use the same method, and then adapt and overcome. Monkey see, monkey do is great when your just starting, or don't care about why your doing these things. But personally I like to make mistakes, and this isn't a second job for me, so if shit goes south I can make observations and correct behaviors without it being a big deal.
Different strokes brother.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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Different strokes brother.
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ZeroBoyWD said: If you could pick up SFD's at walmart, I probably would...
edit* found the Original tek http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14488446 Just a tip to anyone else IMHO easy felt from Hobby lobby/craft store (maybe Walmart?) Is pretty much generic SFDs,
and I don't even glue mine I section big enough to pull through a hole snugly. Never had any problems.
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Cheers for that dawg! The 26th can't come soon enough huh?
Ok so peering through the lid of my bulk, it looks like colony is speeding up. So for a casing I just mix more peat/coir and sprinkling on top?
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ZeroBoyWD said: Cheers for that dawg! The 26th can't come soon enough huh?
Ok so peering through the lid of my bulk, it looks like colony is speeding up. So for a casing I just mix more peat/coir and sprinkling on top?
Ideally + verm is my understanding (some would say just verm), personally I don't use one as ive had success w/o casing layer
Oh and I found leaks so 26th came sooner than hoped :P
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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ZeroBoyWD said: Clearly I misspoke about flaming. Obviously its flame, alcohol wipe to injection, flame again.
You should never wipe after flaming.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: SizlChest]
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Its soaked in 91 iso. Why not?
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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Flames sterilize, alcohol sanitizes. In other words there's still shit on that wipe.
Also 70% iso is what you want to use. It sanitizes better than 90+. Still won't sterilize
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Hmmm.... I guess I rationalized that we use synthetics for our filters and stuff but didn't take into account that they get in the PC with the jar... Makes sense. Haven't had an issue yet, guess I got lucky. I haven't built a SAB yet either (LAZINESS WILL BE MY UNDOING) so I've been using sterile wipes on my needle to move it to the jar, over the filter, pull the wipe, in and out, back to fire.
Also, I use 70 for everything else
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So before I crack this tub open to take another picture of my bulk and let out more CO2, where exactly is colonized? I've seen picture of people with solid white bulk tubs, but then I've also seen ones that look closer to mine. I got myc all over the surface now (looks like someone mixed a bunch of perlite up) but its not like its ultra thick.... I can see the ropey parts of myc running all through the surface and reaching up out of the tub, but I don't know if I'm supposed to wait until its super condensed...
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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you just want myc to cover theentire surface. open the lid and take a pic, your co2 levels will be right up again after you close the lid.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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wait longer, there's still large uncolonized patches.
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Yeah I see that now, better than trying to peer through the foggy lid. The big stripe in the middle especially. But I want it to be like it is on the right side of the tub, correct?
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21947730 - 07/15/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nope. Even more colonized than that. Almost solid white.
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Patience is a hard won virtue X_X
So I've been thinking about how I am gonna fruit when the time comes. I've been told that I can just plop it in my SGFC, but I would imagine that the size of the tub in the chamber would interfere with FAE.
So I've also seen where people take an identical tub and flip it on top with a couple polyfil holes in the top. I'm out of my depth here, super excited but finding it hard to decide how to proceed next week (or hopefully not 2+)
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21947792 - 07/15/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd do the dub tub! flip a similar tub on top.
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Heres my WBS at day 5.... Is it supposed to look like that?

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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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ZeroBoyWD said: Heres my WBS at day 5.... Is it supposed to look like that?


That's cobweb mold, toss it out!!
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Wow, I got that on all five... Too wet you think?
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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That sucks dude The grains look properly hydrated you just need to be more sterile when knocking up those jars
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It would seem so... Its just strange the all five got it in the same spots I shot my syringe... Maybe I got some contaminate when I was putting the needle on.. I dunno. Gonnna stop by the feed store to pick up some whole oats while I'm in the area today I think
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21950831 - 07/16/15 07:56 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The contam is probably in your syringe if it was on all 5
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Grey]
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Bummer, theres still a lot of it left too..
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21950849 - 07/16/15 08:02 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Now do I blame my vendor for giving me a bunk syringe, or do I accept personal responsibility and acknowledge the very real possibility that I contaminated it by drawing in air on accident or something similar...?
Nah, I'ma blame my vendor
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21951028 - 07/16/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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You can still salvage the spores in your syringe, put a drop or two on an agar dish/brf paste jar and let it grow out. Then isolate the healthy sections and grow it out again on another dish or transfer to your grain jars.
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Cobweb is pretty fast though.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Grey]
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WBS is gone and forgotten, moving right along.
Stopped by the feed store while I was out and about and so glad I did. 10 lbs of Whole Oats for $4. So now I'm gonnna be reading up on that prep. Also had bricks of Coir for $4 so I snagged a couple of them for later. Then it was off to Walmart to pick up some odds and ends.
So now I finally have an SAB built and ready to go, I've got some new lids, some RTV Red, Gloves, 70 Iso, and the wrong felt to use for this tek http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14488446 (Thanks again RickSanchezC137)
Headed back out to find the stiff Easy Felt and then we can get rocking with OAT POWER!
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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Oats are great. Vandergreigen has a good oat spawn prep write-up.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Grey]
#21952301 - 07/16/15 02:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah I searched for that and all I could find was another post where you mentioned it =\ Innocule's is pretty good though. I like the attention to detail
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Right now I'm busting through my new lids to make my SHIPs but I'm wondering on how big of a hole I should use for my GE. When I tried to drive a regular .5" bit through, it tore them all to hell. I have a 7/8" Fostner bit, but I'm wondering if that is too large.... Decisions decisions.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD] 1
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I use a 1/4-3/8" hole made with a with a step cone drill bit for GE. If all you have is the 7/8" bit you could use that and cover some of the disk(under the lid) with RTV to adjust if needed. You will use up more filter material to cover that big hole though.
You could probably use that .5 bit if you use high rpm and light pressure. If you press hard as you drill with a large standard bit you will tear the lids up. I have done it with a 1/4 bit, not a .5 tho.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Juiceh]
#21952479 - 07/16/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Holy shit, MUCH THANKS on that pro-tip there buddy. Step-cone works like a dream.
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Quote:
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: SizlChest]
#21953511 - 07/16/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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OK! Got my oats soaking for prep tomorrow (Thank you Inocuole) Got my lids drilled (Thank you JuiceH) and GE holes filtered (Thank you RickSanchezC137)and injection ports filled on both sides (Thank you me for having a steady hand and not making a huge mess with RTV)
My cakes are not optimal but doing better (Now with fruit) , my bulk is coming along slowly but surely without signs of contamination (Thank you caveman421, Fried Egg, Grey), I've got 11 more cakes that show no growth after 2 days (WOOO PATIENCE!) 30cc's of MS solution left (with a possible 9cc contaminated syringe O_O) and I am feeling fantastic.
I've only got two sealed needles left though and I know its not a good idea to just pop an old one back on because of the parts you can't flame sterilize. So can I just wrap them in foil and put them in the PC with my jars? I can still use my two fresh ones now, but I'm not going to be using all of my solution tomorrow, so it will be an issue soon.
Also, I got a second identical tub for my bulk sub to use as a lid. Now if you've seen my pictures you know I kinda went ape-shit at the mere prospect of doing bulk, and filled it damn near to the brim. Wasn't planning on casing but if I did it would take it right to the top of the tub. So I'm a bit foggy on how to proceed. Could I possibly get away with popping four 1" holes in the top tub and letting the imperfect seal be my bottom for air transfer, or do I have some cajiggering to do?
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21953888 - 07/16/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ZeroBoyWD said: So can I just wrap them in foil and put them in the PC with my jars?
Yup. They do not need as long of a sterilization cycle, but it won't hurt em. 25-35 mins at 15-20psi would be enough for syringe parts on their own. Crack open the foil wrapped syringe parts in your SAB or in front of your flow hood and assemble them.
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ZeroBoyWD said: Also, I got a second identical tub for my bulk sub to use as a lid. Now if you've seen my pictures you know I kinda went ape-shit at the mere prospect of doing bulk, and filled it damn near to the brim. Wasn't planning on casing but if I did it would take it right to the top of the tub. So I'm a bit foggy on how to proceed. Could I possibly get away with popping four 1" holes in the top tub and letting the imperfect seal be my bottom for air transfer, or do I have some cajiggering to do?
That may work. I would just put 2 holes on each of the long sides close to substrate level and 1 on the top in the middle of the short sides. Like how the holes would be arranged compared to the substrate level in a regular mono.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Juiceh]
#21953998 - 07/16/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thats kinda what I was thinking too. I could even line the rim with a bead of silicone to make it even closer to the mono =D
Trying to figure out the size holes to drill.... 12.7 qt ea
15 x 11.5 x 6(12 total)
Since its around a third of the volume of the Standard mono I'm thinking using 1" holes instead of 1.5".
I still have the standard tub, I just build the standard one, but I've gotten so close to the finish now, I don't know about transferring it to a different container.... Ponder ponder ponder...
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21973386 - 07/20/15 10:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Peer into the tub yesterday, and the pins had shown up

So I rigged up what I could.

Keep ya posted
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21973394 - 07/20/15 10:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Happy fruiting!!!
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T+12H from lid creation

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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21980510 - 07/22/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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HOLY SHIT! I left for work this morning and this was the inside of my chamber
(Sorry its through the plexi, didn't have a lot of time)
And I came home to this:

Why the hell are we still telling newbies to make SGFC? This was WAY easier
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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Exact same concept, except i use 4 trays in a tub. I'd be down to try out a single tray tub tho haha. I've actually fruited a single tray in these big ass 4 tray tubs. I had to mist once a day and it pushed out a decent yield. All my trays have casings too if you didn't notice lol
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Oh shit dawg! That's what I'm talking about right there. I didn't even think to put them in a bigger tub, hence the dub. Its my first bulk, so mistakes were made, concepts understood, lessons learned. I'm really happy with the lid though. Same as a mono placement but using 1/2" holes. I was going to do a full mono on the next ones but seeing your setup, I may have to take some notes
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Mad Season said: Exact same concept, except i use 4 trays in a tub. I'd be down to try out a single tray tub tho haha. I've actually fruited a single tray in these big ass 4 tray tubs. I had to mist once a day and it pushed out a decent yield. All my trays have casings too if you didn't notice lol
Those 4 trays to a tub tho....
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Coming down from 2g of my labors. Holy shit I'm amazed. I gotta take a serious look at what I'm doing with my cultivation efforts because I do not need to have this much shit at the readies, constantly. BUT its all part of the initial plan anyways, get as much as I can from this little venture, then preserve and tuck away for special occasions =D
Just wanted to extend my gratitude again to everyone that helped me out along the way.
Sincerely Thank you guys
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#21982756 - 07/23/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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ZeroBoyWD said: Coming down from 2g of my labors. Holy shit I'm amazed. I gotta take a serious look at what I'm doing with my cultivation efforts because I do not need to have this much shit at the readies, constantly. BUT its all part of the initial plan anyways, get as much as I can from this little venture, then preserve and tuck away for special occasions =D
Just wanted to extend my gratitude again to everyone that helped me out along the way.
Sincerely Thank you guys
Quite satisfying to trip on your own fruits eH ?
Glad to hear you got it :P And if you have extras you don't want lying around find a safe place and some good friends and share! Nothings better than going on a trip with people you love.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
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ZeroBoyWD said: Coming down from 2g of my labors. Holy shit I'm amazed. I gotta take a serious look at what I'm doing with my cultivation efforts because I do not need to have this much shit at the readies, constantly. BUT its all part of the initial plan anyways, get as much as I can from this little venture, then preserve and tuck away for special occasions =D
Just wanted to extend my gratitude again to everyone that helped me out along the way.
Sincerely Thank you guys

With your surplus you can do some experiments like extractions, make food items like chocolates and gummy candies, etc.
What strain did you sample?
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Juiceh]
#21984841 - 07/23/15 01:30 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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F+. Looks like the first flush is close to 400g wet, really wish I had a dehydrator now lol. Got them fan drying now, so we'll see when I get them cracker dry.
You know I was really blown away at how visual things got on just 2g. Vision became obscured at several points by the patterns chasing in the negative spaces. Fucking powerful, smooth, clean, and the only issue I had was when my amber ale wasn't agreeing with what the rest of my body we decided to kick it back out the way it came
We walked about 10 miles, was ammmmmmazing
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
#21985090 - 07/23/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Freshies are the best
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