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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #21924860 - 07/10/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wbs sucks, oats ftw


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #21924864 - 07/10/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I started with WBS, just switched to Oats.  They're cheaper and easier to work with.

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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21924869 - 07/10/15 02:28 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: piratez]
    #21925403 - 07/10/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

EDIT: Oh I gotcha, whole oats you roll out. Closest feed and supply store is about 45 minutes away from me and I already have WBS laying around. Again, not ideal, but I'm not trying to set up g2g transfers just yet. Just picked up the pressure cooker today. Frank's tek calls for a 1" hole in the lid? Yikes.


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #21925532 - 07/10/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Damn, I only use 1/4",but I also use oats.


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Grey]
    #21925599 - 07/10/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, it seemed a little high. He says to stuff with polyfil tight but I'm guessing you use SFD or tyvek? I'll probably just do a 1/2" though cause that is a massive hole. I got the WBS soaking right now, should be able to do half a syringe with the amount.


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #21927416 - 07/11/15 04:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

How in God's name do people work with this nonsense. Every time I jam more polyfil in the hole, it fluffs up out the other side! X_X


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #21927474 - 07/11/15 05:13 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Try micropore tape. Much easier and neater.


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: SaulGoodman]
    #21927715 - 07/11/15 07:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Polyfill is garbage for a filter and has no business being used for grains. Tyvek and micropore tape are also junk for this purpose. Use SFDs, do it right. Save the polyfill for the holes in your mono.


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Juiceh]
    #21927773 - 07/11/15 07:48 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I use polyfill.  Since learning agar my grain contam rate is 0.

Not knocking SFD.  I plan to migrate to them when I have the money as they certainly look nice.  But I don't see how polyfill is garbage.


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21927894 - 07/11/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I have had nothing but positive results using polyfil in both grain jar lids and PP5 agar "plates".


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Juiceh]
    #21928930 - 07/11/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Save the polyfill...




At three bucks for a medium sized pillow, I'm trying not to have this stuff lay around for eons, and yeah SFD's would be nice but they will not be the thing that determines my failure, I am. Plenty of people make polyfil work, it can be done. There is a bunch of lab equipment I'd like to have, but before I go spending my money on a bunch of expensive paperweights, I wanna have a proof of concept come to fruition first. Now if you wanna send me a fat stack out of the goodness of your heart....


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Juiceh]
    #21928993 - 07/11/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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Polyfill is garbage for a filter and has no business being used for grains. Tyvek and micropore tape are also junk for this purpose. Use SFDs, do it right. Save the polyfill for the holes in your mono.





Not sure why you say that. Lots of people use it. And way more common years ago.

I use it. Works perfectly and quicker to make than siliconing easy felt.


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: d0urd3n]
    #21929032 - 07/11/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Also sfds need some proper care. Cutting them can fuck up the fibers, and I've heard of a lot of people having problems from getting them cfds wet and moldy. Poly isn't my first choice, but it can work just as well, and better for some. It's reusable and you can just stuff it tighter when needed.

Like every filter it has its pros and cons. However in terms of ease of use I feel sfds win. They won't get knocked out when shaken and realistically all you gotta do is not let them get wet. They last forever if you don't get them wet. It's not all that hard. Also they give a good peace of mind since so many people use and approve them.


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Mad Season]
    #21929247 - 07/11/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

stuffed poly works great, take a big ball and fold it into a hard ball.
twist one end, put same end through ge hole, grab it on the other side of the jar and pull. it gets stuck.


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: spacechildo] * 1
    #21929267 - 07/11/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I like to use needle nose pliers. You can get it super tight. Doing this, trying to get it as tight as possible without bending the lid gave near identical colonization times for me as compared to two layers of thin off brand easy felt. Only done it with MS, but multiple grows.

I dig it. Just depends on how much you like tinkering vs just getting results I suppose. I like to mess around with different techniques. :shrug:


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    #21929345 - 07/11/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Exactly, experimentation. Isn't that why this is a fun hobby? Try shit, see what works, ya know. If you could pick up SFD's at walmart, I probably would. I just got lazy trying to find out if RTVing the hole in a quart lid would severely inhibit gas exchange. If I can get the grains going, then yeah, I'll consider investing.
But right now, its been years since I've done any of this, its my first grain spawn, and I make minimum wage while going back to college. Polyfil, all I can ever possibly need, $3 at walmart. So eh... If I start seeing some kinda success I'll look at the upgrade.

Speaking of, with the SFD, don't you pop it open in the SAB to inoculate before putting the lid back on? I'm not sure I trust myself to that degree quite yet. I like stuff you can stab through then flame sterilize after. One day though...


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: ZeroBoyWD]
    #21929370 - 07/11/15 03:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I like stuff you can stab through then flame sterilize after. One day though...




that's just a SHIP, a hole in the lid covered with silicone.
when you silicone your sfd to the lid you dont silicone the whole and make it air tight,
you apply the silicone on the metal lid around the edges of the hole!

opening a jar in a SAB is fine, we do it all thetime to put agar wedges in.
just dont hover anything over an open jar or do any rapid movements to stir up air in your SAB.


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: spacechildo]
    #21929387 - 07/11/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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I like stuff you can stab through then flame sterilize after. One day though...




that's just a SHIP, a hole in the lid covered with silicone.
when you silicone your sfd to the lid you dont silicone the whole and make it air tight,
you apply the silicone on the metal lid around the edges of the hole!

opening a jar in a SAB is fine, we do it all thetime to put agar wedges in.
just dont hover anything over an open jar or do any rapid movements to stir up air in your SAB.




See, I still have a lot to read up on and poly works in the interim. And man those lids did not like getting 1/2" holes in em =\

And that hovering business... Yeah I need to perfect my technique first =P


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Re: Blah Blah Blah Blah [Re: Mad Season]
    #21932545 - 07/12/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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But I don't see how polyfill is garbage.



You will never get the pore sizes down to a small enough size to be as effective as sfd by stuffing polyfill. The only way you possibly will is to flatten your polyfill with an iron and make SFDs. Due to this, polyfill grain jars dry out faster than SFD patch jars as well. Make a polyfill jar and and SFD jar of grains from the same batch and leave them on a shelf side by side for a month or 2, you will see a difference. Same goes for tyvek, ez felt and micropore tape. They are all sub par in comparison, a microscope will tell you this.

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Lots of people use it. And way more common years ago.



Lots of bad teks were more common years ago. They get phased away when superior options are introduced. There's a reason why you don't see fish tank aquariums being recommended as fruiting chambers anymore, but they were way more common years ago.. It's the same reason why polyfill as a GE filter should be ditched.

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Exactly, experimentation. Isn't that why this is a fun hobby? Try shit, see what works, ya know. If you could pick up SFD's at walmart, I probably would. I just got lazy trying to find out if RTVing the hole in a quart lid would severely inhibit gas exchange. If I can get the grains going, then yeah, I'll consider investing.
But right now, its been years since I've done any of this, its my first grain spawn, and I make minimum wage while going back to college. Polyfil, all I can ever possibly need, $3 at walmart. So eh... If I start seeing some kinda success I'll look at the upgrade.

Speaking of, with the SFD, don't you pop it open in the SAB to inoculate before putting the lid back on? I'm not sure I trust myself to that degree quite yet. I like stuff you can stab through then flame sterilize after. One day though...



Sure experimenting is fun, if you have funds to burn. Why dick around experimenting pissing away your hard earned money, when there are much more reliable options that have been proven on here with years of experimentation already? That's what this site is for, seeing the experimentation done by others so you don't have to piss away time effort and money repeating whats already been tried. If I made minimum wage then I would want the highest success rate possible for my money and time invested. Failure hits harder when you are scraping by to put your efforts together.

You don't fill the GE hole with silicone, that's a SHIP. You silicone around the hole and apply the patch over the hole, any silicone that squeezes out into the middle and obstructs the hole gets torn off after it dries.

What's this about flame sterilizing AFTER stabbing through? You're supposed to do that before you stab your SHIP. Polyfill is not exactly self healing, a hot needle can and will leave a hole in your polyfill that you probably won't notice if you inoculate through it, which makes this a bad idea. I've also seen posts on here where the hot needle stuck to polyfill and when they pulled out the needle the polyfill came with it. There are also plenty of post where people have difficulty getting the needle through, or they push the polyfill through. Why do you want to dick around with any of that crap? You should never inoculate through your filter material anyway for obvious reasons, this is just bad practice. Sure people have gotten away with it in the past, people have also gotten away with open air inoculations. If you're dead set on using Polyfill for GE, at least make SHIPs too so you're not stabbing through your filter material, or just lift the lid(in aseptic conditions) that would be better than stabbing through your filter.


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Also sfds need some proper care. Cutting them can fuck up the fibers, and I've heard of a lot of people having problems from getting them cfds wet and moldy.



You gotta be pretty retarded and be using a jacked up set of scissors to fuckup cutting SFDs. Cutting filter patches is pretty much one of the easiest things in this hobby to do. I've seen that about CFDs too. I accidentally ordered some a while back and haven't used them after reading about that.


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