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Proof Of Heaven - Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms the Afterlife Exists
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I thought I'd drop THIS here.


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Re: Proof Of Heaven - Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms the Afterlife Exists [Re: Asante]
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I still didn't see anything in there to suggest it was anything more than a hallucination. Aside from him saying it was too real to be one or whatever.


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Re: Proof Of Heaven - Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms the Afterlife Exists [Re: Matt87] * 1
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Several days worth of hallucination while he was braindead? "proof of heaven" is not my claim but the title of the book.

I ordered the book (been a bestseller) to compare it with my take on the spirit world, but the forum advertized on that page is a money trap.


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Re: Proof Of Heaven - Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms the Afterlife Exists [Re: Asante] * 1
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all we are

and all we seem

is but a dream

within a dream

within a dream


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[quote]Enlil said:
I'd be the guy with thousands of minions doing my bidding and all of the hot women locked in a cage for my use.[/quote]

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Re: Proof Of Heaven - Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms the Afterlife Exists [Re: rxb]
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I used to read this book on  my breaks back when I used to work at a store that carried it. Very interesting, although no more so than many other NDE's. Of course I don't need any convincing. I am well aware that we are eternal spirit beings and the physical body is merely a vehicle through which we experience and express ourselves.

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Re: Proof Of Heaven - Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms the Afterlife Exists [Re: Asante]
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it is an interesting account, as are all NDE's as Deviate says :smile: it's neat to hear about experiences which shift people's paradigms in a positive way :smile:


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Re: Proof Of Heaven - Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms the Afterlife Exists [Re: deff]
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NDE's in other cultures produce different visions.

http://www.near-death.com/hindu.html

people who believe in jesus see 'heaven'

you want truth smoke dmt and ask the right questions.


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[quote]Enlil said:
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Re: Proof Of Heaven - Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms the Afterlife Exists [Re: deff]
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I also find these experiences very interesting because I feel that this sort of thing is often neglected by many of today's spiritual teachers. They point only to non dual truth, which transcends all realms of existence including the heavenly ones. I definitely agree that it is important not to get too caught up in the various forms that existence takes and instead go to the source, which is God, the almighty Father, but at the same time if we totally neglect/ignore these other realms I feel we are in a way disrespecting the wonder of the creative side to existence, which I think is immensely interesting and absolutely worthy of investigating as well as the absolute truth behind all appearances. This is why I enjoy Matt Kahn so much. He talks about both the absolute truth, as well as heaven, angels, etc. He marries it all together, rather than declaring other teachings as "illusory" or "just an appearance" like many non duality teachers seem to do.

Edited by Deviate (06/01/15 09:51 PM)

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Re: Proof Of Heaven - Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms the Afterlife Exists [Re: Deviate]
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They point only to non dual truth, which transcends all realms of existence including the heavenly ones


I think this is an assumption, and while it makes sense based on the experience of non-duality, I'm not personally convinced that it's entirely true. I think even someone who is fully non-dually realized in a human life will still have quite a big surprise upon death, that's just my hunch of the situation. but I realize that it's often taught in non-dual teachings that non-duality basically supercedes all realms of existence and is sort of the end of all paths and processes. but I don't think we can really say too much definitively about this as we are still very much constrained by our human-earth-experiences and the associated limitations and logic that comes with that. i think existence/creation is much more than we can realize while in a human form, and that there will be quite a few surprises :smile:


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Re: Proof Of Heaven - Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms the Afterlife Exists [Re: deff]
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deff, you're right on  :thumbup:


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Re: Proof Of Heaven - Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms the Afterlife Exists [Re: DividedQuantum]
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Death will be surprising just like birth into this world was, and will surely be at least as beautiful and harrowing as this world is.

Like Deviate for me it's a confirmed fact for me we are eternal beings of some kind, from somewhere, inhabiting these vehicles.

I used to like speculating more than that, but I've grown a bit and now I know a lot less about everything. :smile:

I don't worry about death anymore, I say that genuinely. My concern is now with exploring the mind, which co-creates this universe, thus I am exploring both the mind and the universe at the same time. Concurrently I am trying to adapt to our society and be productive within its culture and institutions - I am trying to LIVE!

I recommend DMT but I'm moving away from drugs now, you don't need them once the doors are open. I think the doors may have been opened through rigorous attempts to understand and courageously live within life, though. So it's not like you need them in the first place, perhaps.

The 'doors' are things like accessing this imagination of yourself. Accessing eternal bliss, enabling spontaneous healing of the human vehicle. And most importantly, accessing states of something of a psychedelic mystery that seems and feels like a natural, mind-induced trip.

This whole reality is designed. Start to accept that. There are levels, locks and keys, it's a problem to be solved. It's so harrowing when you start to really "piece together new thoughts in your mind."

We are far more powerful than we've been told or let to know, don't worry about suffering in this world. Just realise your power and set an example, that's the only duty I would expect of anyone.


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Re: Proof Of Heaven - Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms the Afterlife Exists [Re: Asante]
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I would venture that any condition that can be described in terms of form, including 'other' beings, and communication with beings, which means separateness, suggests a plane of existence corresponding to one of our 'sheaths,' (bodies) as described in classic Yoga. I have had a profound yet brief astral projection, and while suspended in the air outside my bedroom window maybe 10-12 feet from the ground, I saw the side of the house and the street, albeit in hues of silvery-blue. My vision was directional, as I do not think that omnidirectional vision is possible in form in 4 dimensions (3 spatial & 1 temporal). This suggests that I had a body, but, when I looked down to see my legs, I had no visible body, and it was that realization plus the realization that 'I' was in 2 places at the same time (outside the window in my astral body, and lying on the bed in my physical body), that elicited a fear response, which swept me backwards in a 'whoosh' at which point my physical body jack-knifed violently on the bed, and 'I' was reconnected.

That various planes exist in the same space and time was nicely illustrated in the movie Ghost with Patrick Swazy. In that film, he finds himself on one of the astral planes inhabited by others, but when an evil man dies, the protagonist played by Swazy backs away from him, knowing that inhabitants of a lower, astral Hell-plane (dark, formless, moaning entities), will arise from that Underworld to drag the astral body of the evil man down with them. At the end of the film, after having completed the tasks he needed to accomplish (including communicating to his widow, played by Demi Moore through a medium played by Whoopi Goldberg), Swazy moves on into a bright white light, which according to Yoga would represent the next higher and final plane of form, the causal plane.

Now, as long as there is form, there is separateness between one form and another. Moreover, form had spatial extension, and spatial extensions have duration. Forms are not eternal. The "Platonic Forms" are nonsubstantial in themselves and are potentials, but they are the Eternal Ideas from which actual physical (and ostensibly astral and causal) forms take existence from. Jung took this metaphysical idea and transformed it down to psychological theory wherein the archetypes are invisible potentials, but archetypal images take on form in our psyches.

My point is that astral planes may well exist (writings say they do, and I DID have an unforgettable experience as far back as 1972), but like the Heaven-planes in Hinduism and Buddhism, they are not the Final Destination. They are described as being realms wherein the human consciousness can dwell for interminably long periods of time, but how are we to understand how time is measured without the usual planetary and physical limitations that define temporality? The 49 days spent in the Tibetan Buddhist Bardos might take place within seconds of Earth-time - completely relative to how time can be slowed or accelerated in the cerebral labyrinth. This surgeon was (1) probably unaware of the writings about these intermediary conditions, (2) probably never had a prior OOBE, (3) in all probability had typical Christian stories told to him in childhood, and (4) while we often read reports of NDEs (Near Death Experiences), clearly physical death is only defined by the limitations of the EEG device's ability to detect electrical brain activity. But the more subtle processes of the astral plane and astral body are not of physical matter embodying physical laws. Cellular death had not commenced because the man was able to resume normal neuronal functions and write a book, so a level of catalepsy was present, much like the subjects/victims of the Voodoo medicine that Dr. Wade Davis wrote about in his book The Serpent and the Rainbow, which was made into a supernatural movie thriller.

At best, an adjective paired with a noun, followed by periods intended to denote that all phrases are intended to apply simultaneously in a singular condition, is the only way I can think of that comes near to describing a condition of ineffability. "Infinite Transparency. Unbearable Compassion. Wordless I AM. Thoughtless. Eternal. Effulgent. Ecstatic." There, end of book. :lol:


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Edited by MarkostheGnostic (06/02/15 07:39 PM)

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Re: Proof Of Heaven - Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms the Afterlife Exists [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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i think that in the situation where when you die, you see what you already believed in, theres a bit of you at play.

unless every religion is right, or maybe its just teams.

shrug, in which case i guess its best to be taoist.


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->$10 FLOW HOOD ALTERNATIVE <-

. i cleaned a mold contaminated live culture and saved it. (might have useful applications)

[quote]Enlil said:
I'd be the guy with thousands of minions doing my bidding and all of the hot women locked in a cage for my use.[/quote]

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Re: Proof Of Heaven - Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms the Afterlife Exists [Re: Asante]
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did you see a pic of the author?  its some long haired hippy. Probably goes around preaching about peace and love.  I dont trust him :ifyoucanawe:


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Re: Proof Of Heaven - Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms the Afterlife Exists [Re: rxb]
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rxb said:
i think that in the situation where when you die, you see what you already believed in, theres a bit of you at play.

unless every religion is right, or maybe its just teams.

shrug, in which case i guess its best to be taoist.


I think that if one correlates religions correctly, all the esoteric ideas line up like a completed Rubik's Cube, but the depictions, the myths, remain disparate. There is a spirit of holiness that I have experienced in churches, mosques, temples of all sorts. It transcends the forms which are mere shell. Christianity insists that Jesus was crucified. Islam says he wasn't because a prophet of God would never die a shameful death. Some Gnostics took a middle ground suggesting that Simon the Cyrene was crucified instead of Jesus, or alternately, that a docetic phantom double was crucified, or again, that the immaterial Christ left the body of the man Jesus which is why he was said to have prayed the 22nd Psalm "My God, my God, why have thou forsaken me?" When people are accustomed to hearing the same thing over and over they become indoctrinated and anything different comes as a shock. Shock is followed by anger, as a threat against one's frame of reference. Tiny doubts might creep in. They are violently opposed. Someone else's religion is 'just myth,' while MY religion is Real and True.

A Taoist attitude seems most sane to me. Tao means 'Way.' When Jesus supposedly said "I am the way...," I personally think that it's the same Way.


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Re: Proof Of Heaven - Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms the Afterlife Exists [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic said:
rxb said:
i think that in the situation where when you die, you see what you already believed in, theres a bit of you at play.

unless every religion is right, or maybe its just teams.

shrug, in which case i guess its best to be taoist.


I think that if one correlates religions correctly, all the esoteric ideas line up like a completed Rubik's Cube, but the depictions, the myths, remain disparate. There is a spirit of holiness that I have experienced in churches, mosques, temples of all sorts. It transcends the forms which are mere shell. Christianity insists that Jesus was crucified. Islam says he wasn't because a prophet of God would never die a shameful death. Some Gnostics took a middle ground suggesting that Simon the Cyrene was crucified instead of Jesus, or alternately, that a docetic phantom double was crucified, or again, that the immaterial Christ left the body of the man Jesus which is why he was said to have prayed the 22nd Psalm "My God, my God, why have thou forsaken me?" When people are accustomed to hearing the same thing over and over they become indoctrinated and anything different comes as a shock. Shock is followed by anger, as a threat against one's frame of reference. Tiny doubts might creep in. They are violently opposed. Someone else's religion is 'just myth,' while MY religion is Real and True.

A Taoist attitude seems most sane to me. Tao means 'Way.' When Jesus supposedly said "I am the way...," I personally think that it's the same Way.


so far im offended by all ways.

even taoism (sometimes).

and yet i agree with what you said.


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. i cleaned a mold contaminated live culture and saved it. (might have useful applications)

[quote]Enlil said:
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