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Re: Aliens and UFOs are real - heres the proof [Re: Scarfmeister]
#7806575 - 12/28/07 03:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Scarfmeister said: In the end we are all people and nobody is above their subconscious or suggestive manipulations or what not. I don't care who you are.
Just goes to show the blind and misguided trust people have for people in authority. I've long since abandoned all such illusions.
I agree you make a good point.
Although in terms of the alien/UFO phenomena this is really a shot back at the people that claimed aliens/UFO's were only seen by "nuts". You can't really say that somebody trusted to fly aeroplanes or an army major or an MOD worker is insane because they would get pulled out of that job position very fast.
We also use so called experts as evidence that is widely accepted. If you need a question answered officially - in a court of law for example, then they will gety in somebody who has worked in the field for a long time and thus has done a lot of research on that subject. You can't deny that some people are more likely to be more knowledgeable about a subject and thus in a better position to argue a case.
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Re: Aliens and UFOs are real - heres the proof [Re: Ego Death]
#7806603 - 12/28/07 04:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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in a court of law for example, then they will gety in somebody who has worked in the field for a long time
Nope... not enough. One has to qualify as an "expert witness" and there are various rules required to be considered an "expert witness" in the eyes of the courts, such as having a phd and journal publications in the field. Work experience, by itself, does not qualify one to be an expert witness in US courts, in most cases.
This is good example of why skeptics see most alien UFO reports as fairly unreliable... when somebody is sloppy with their justifications, then they are also probably sloppy with their descriptions of their observations.
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Re: Aliens and UFOs are real - heres the proof [Re: Seuss]
#7806646 - 12/28/07 06:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i must be overlooking the proof part. Someone mind pointing me in the right direction?
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Re: Aliens and UFOs are real - heres the proof [Re: kotik]
#7806652 - 12/28/07 06:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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> i must be overlooking the proof part. Someone mind pointing me in the right direction?
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On Wednesday, May 9th, 2001, over twenty military, intelligence, government, corporate and scientific witnesses came forward at the National Press Club in Washington, DC to establish the reality of UFOs or extraterrestrial vehicles, extraterrestrial life forms, and resulting advanced energy and propulsion technologies. The weight of this first-hand testimony, along with supporting government documentation and other evidence, will establish without any doubt the reality of these phenomena.
That is the proof (from the original post). Apparently, seven years ago a bunch of people came forward with documentation and other evidence. Eventually, this first-hand testimony and other evidence will prove that alien UFOs exist. And since the evidence will eventually prove the claims, then the claims are true even though they haven't yet been proven. See, proof... QED.
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Re: Aliens and UFOs are real - heres the proof [Re: Seuss]
#7806679 - 12/28/07 06:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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ah, thanks. sometimes I forget how logic works and need a refresher. kudos.
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Re: Aliens and UFOs are real - heres the proof [Re: Ego Death]
#7806690 - 12/28/07 07:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oops... just saw which forum I was posting in... Apologies, Ego Death (I thought this was S&P).
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Re: Aliens and UFOs are real - heres the proof [Re: kotik]
#7806693 - 12/28/07 07:05 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Proof is just whats acceptable to the individual.
You can claim that nothing can be completely proved and indeed it can't.
Of course this is pretty compelling evidence unless you just don't study it and disregard it because of a few technicalities over my wording.
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Re: Aliens and UFOs are real - heres the proof [Re: Ego Death]
#7806700 - 12/28/07 07:13 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, I know. Everyone just blows this shit off, but something interesting really is happening.
Anyone here ever hear of DMT? That's a lot like what's going on here.
Many interesting things happen, but since the advocates of the subject only tout the craziest and most out there speculations about it, no one believes them.
I am just saying that it's well worth your attention and undeserving of your cynical, skeptical attitude.
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Re: Aliens and UFOs are real - heres the proof [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
#7806708 - 12/28/07 07:19 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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so aliens and UFOs are like DMT how?
it seems the "proof" is testimony, and evidence in the form of documentation. So basically, the proof is spoken word, and words on paper. Not images, objects videos or anything of the such. at least none of that was mentioned.
I would say that the 9/11 truthers have shown more proof for their case.
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Re: Aliens and UFOs are real - heres the proof [Re: kotik]
#7806903 - 12/28/07 09:27 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Have you guys heard of the Cometa report?
I doubt you have - it was disregarded by American media.
Essentially it is very similar to the disclosure project. It was done by French military officials, airline pilots and some scientists.
The report comes to the same conclusions that UFOs are real, some cases are advanced craft and that the likely explanation for these craft is extra-terrestrial.
http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/Cometa.htm
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Re: Aliens and UFOs are real - heres the proof [Re: kotik]
#7806938 - 12/28/07 09:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If one landed next to you then you'd change your tune.
ET is visiting Earth regularly, I hope official confirmation comes soon. It seems likely as pressure of evidence has been mounting and mounting.
Anyone that disagrees just hasn't seen enough to understand, which is understandable. But to claim that you know they are not visiting as some people do is just plain ignorance.
If official confirmation comes in my lifetime, I will come on here and ask Diploid and OC how they feel. I'd like an apology but I suspect only further ignorance will be received.
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Re: Aliens and UFOs are real - heres the proof [Re: Ego Death]
#7806978 - 12/28/07 09:55 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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As much as I'd like to believe, all the evidence we ever see is documents of questionable origin and hearsay, none of which would be admissible in a court of law.
While having 20 pilots and scientists etc testifying to the same experience is rather compelling it still just mostly subjective experiences as far as i am concerned. And the people testifying are still just regular people. While you can probably rule most of them out of the nutjob category it doesn't mean their imagination and subconscious hasn't played tricks with them.
There has been numerous cases of esteemed scientists tricking themselves to believe they have evidence for some grand mystery only for them to years later discover the truth and realize how much they have been influenced to believe something that just wasn't there. Being a well educated professional is no guarantee that you are conditioned to resist light forms of mass hysteria or delusions as has been proven again and again throughout history.
I'm still wondering why nobody outside the so called government inner circle has ever gotten hold of a single piece of alien technology and confirmed, trough rigorous scientific testing its extra terrestrial origin.
A microchip, polymer, cell sample, heck anything would do.
It is just not possible to cover up something this big all over the world. Hell most countries military intelligence agency's are pitifully small and understaffed and cant even keep a lid on everyday scandals, let alone a gigantic alien conspiracy.
All it would take is for a single piece of alien shrapnel to be found somewhere and we'd have our smoking gun.
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Re: Aliens and UFOs are real - heres the proof [Re: Scarfmeister]
#7806999 - 12/28/07 10:06 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Aliens and UFOs are real - heres the proof [Re: kotik]
#7807051 - 12/28/07 10:31 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Aliens are like dmt in that:
"Many interesting things happen, but since the advocates of the subject only tout the craziest and most out there speculations about it, no one believes them."
Plus it is a widely accounted phenomenon that people under the influence of dmt often report encounters with non physical entities. Reports of these encounters are sometimes very similar to alien abduction reports, etc.
And I'm not offering you proof, I'm just saying that it is an interesting thing happening, even if just from a cultural standpoint.
A lot of things we take for everyday fact have not been proven.
A lot of things happen that are completely beyond our understanding and may trump our current concept of proof anyway.
And we are never going to get any closer to understanding any of these things if we keep closing ourselves off to some of the most interesting aspects of the modern world.
Our development hinges on our consciousness, and our consciousness is tied up in patterns and archetypes, and this is one of the oldest.
Maybe it deserves a serious look?
I guess the OP promised proof though, which there is none of.
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Re: Aliens and UFOs are real - heres the proof [Re: Scarfmeister]
#7807093 - 12/28/07 10:53 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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And the people testifying are still just regular people. While you can probably rule most of them out of the nutjob category it doesn't mean their imagination and subconscious hasn't played tricks with them.
No but when it corroborates with many different radar stations? Separate machines do not make errors at the same time.
When they detect 10x the regular background radiation, along with military witnesses and ground compression.
It seems more insane to think that nothing happened and if something did happen it leads us to possibilities which put the ET hypothesis to be a sensible explanation.
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Re: Aliens and UFOs are real - heres the proof [Re: Ego Death]
#7807104 - 12/28/07 11:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Even so dont you think its wierd an alien species that advanced would expose themselves like that? Even we have stealth technology.
Im not ruling out the possibility just dont think everything adds up.
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Re: Aliens and UFOs are real - heres the proof [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
#7807120 - 12/28/07 11:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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ReoSpeedwagon153 said: Aliens are like dmt in that:
"Many interesting things happen, but since the advocates of the subject only tout the craziest and most out there speculations about it, no one believes them."
I can see that, but the difference is that I can order some bark and create DMT this weekend to prove it existed to someone. So far aliens have been a bit more elusive.
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guess the OP promised proof though, which there is none of.
big surprise there, heh.
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Re: Aliens and UFOs are real - heres the proof [Re: Scarfmeister]
#7807310 - 12/28/07 12:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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possibility just dont think everything adds up.
I know what your saying.
The situation we have here a) We are looking at it from a human perspective b) There are hoaxes/disinformation this is true
We have a hard job in trying to grasp the reality of what is happening.
Although the fact that something really is happening is not hard to grasp, lol.
This phenomena is huge. One thing I always remember though no matter what country or culture you goto they will have a knowledge of strange craft and strange creatures that come from them. Even cultures that are completely separated from western knowledge, from movies and TV.
You just gotta look at the big picture and make what you can of it.
We got people assuming its all hoax's, its all delusion, its DMT induced dream states, its ET.
All I know for sure is I've seen a high tech ship land near me. A shit load of other people have too. These things appear most likely to me from all I've studied and witnessed, to not be human. This is all I'm sure of.
Convincing other people is a completely different matter but when you've come that close to these things you end up a part of it. I feel obligated to spread the knowledge. I want everyone to have access to the full information. I'm tired of people assuming I'm insane if I speak honestly about what I've seen.
Theres nothing that can make you feel more alone in this world than to experience something and have other people alienate (excuse the pun) you for it.
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Re: Aliens and UFOs are real - heres the proof [Re: Ego Death]
#7807530 - 12/28/07 02:11 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Let's just hope full disclosure happens soon.
I think it'll happen in our lifetime.. hopefully in the next decade, since so many people are starting to open their eyes.
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