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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: twighead]
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and i do believe that those Siberian Shaman's are included in a lot of the ethic groups there, including Korean's, for example.

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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: twighead]
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twighead said:
Yeah those Siberian Shamans especially have quite similar culture to especially the northwestern american tribes :cool:


they found that native americans are genetically closest to those people. aka they came from siberia to the americas.

twighead said:
The cossacks in Russia seem to be a lot more connected to Mongolia than the Russians themselves


cossacks are ethnically the same basically.


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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: Hakim0777]
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Cossack is a loose term in regards to ethnicity.
This is because the variety of Cossack Hosts covered such a vast expanse of land and they integrated so many different ethnicities into their society.

My ancestors were from the Zaporozhian host.


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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: trekie]
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trekie said:
All those photos are from the Pacific campaign. The one Russian had barely anything to do with. They should of at least used photos from the European front.
:lolsy:


Because Russia yearns for the same power and respect USA has. Russia is an empire born from totalitarian rule whereas America was born from a democratic tradition. Thus why Russia will never be truly great: they rule with force and dont respect individual freedoms.


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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: Bridgeburner]
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Russian Anti-Nazi Campaign Sees Anti-Nazi Graphic Novel Pulled From Shelves

City officials said last week that they would search Moscow’s shops for goods bearing swastikas and “other extremist symbols” under a law banning “fascist propaganda,” which Russian President Vladimir Putin signed last year. Putin has used the specter of Nazism to drum up support for Russia’s annexation of Crimea, which he said was in response to a nationalist resurgence in Ukraine, and unacknowledged military intervention in the country’s east.
The hunt for Nazis has already stretched into places where ordinary Russians might least suspect a creeping fascist resurgence. Moscow’s largest children’s store is now facing criminal charges for selling World War II-themed toys that featured soldiers in German uniform, while officials in the city of Bryansk shut down an exhibition of photos depicting life there under Nazi occupation during the war after complaints that the children in the photos were smiling too much.


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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: Bridgeburner]
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A year ago today 40+ people were burned alive at the Odessa Trade Union building in Odessa, Ukraine, at the hands of Right Sector and other ukrainian nationalists.

Many others also died in the fighting that day between pro-russian protestors and the nationalists.

R.I.P. to the victims.


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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: Bridgeburner]
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Susan Richards: Russians are eager to hear the Kremlin’s anti-West propaganda
Whether or not Russians agree with their government, the Kremlin’s propaganda has been extraordinarily effective. It has conditioned people to expect all-out war, including nuclear conflict.
http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/susan-richards-russians-are-eager-to-hear-the-kremlins-antiwest-propaganda-10228179.html


Putin on Parade
Critical to this strategy is propaganda conflating the West today with the Germans who invaded Russia in 1941, while painting Ukrainian government officials as “fascists” and “neo-Nazis.” The Kremlin has relied on such claims, together with the supposed need to defend Russians abroad, to justify its aggression against Ukraine.
http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/wwii-anniversary-putin-show-by-nina-l--khrushcheva-2015-05









Crimean “Patriots” called on to denounce opponents of annexation to FSB
http://khpg.org/index.php?id=1430779938




Out of Kiev's Hands
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/05/04/out-of-kievs-hands/

The problems with relying on Russian volunteers and Russian regulars are obvious. They put the lie to the separatist claim that they are fighting a civil war against the “fascist junta” in Kiev. They are expensive — and the Kremlin has to pick up the bill. They do nothing to boost the local economy. And they run the risk of alienating what’s left of the local population, which may have felt some solidarity with its own “boys,” but which is less likely to identify with Russian adventurers from Tomsk.







https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ukraine/2015-04-28/kievs-purge?
Kiev's Purge: Behind the New Legislation to Decommunize Ukraine


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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: Bridgeburner]
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How Russians see the West

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2015/05/economist-explains-9

Anti-Americanism has become the main component of Vladimir Putin’s ideology...Behind this anti-Americanism is a feeling of jealousy and resentment. The Kremlin has capitalised on this, peddling a narrative in which America is seeking to contain Russia and sponsor everything that is anti-Russian.





Have you been watching Russian government propaganda? - The Seattle Globalist
http://seattleglobalist.com/2015/05/06/russia-today-rt-putin-holocaust-ultra-right/35844

RT continues to feature right wing extremists as guests alongside a multitude of American celebrities. While some challenge the network’s credibility, it remains popular with young left-leaning Americans who see mere snapshots of the network’s polarizing content making the rounds online.


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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: Bridgeburner]
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how is this shit still going on? bomb em already guys, wtf.

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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
how is this shit still going on? bomb em already guys, wtf.


now that russia annexed parts of eastern ukraine they are gonna have to start paying for the infrastructure etc, basically its a huge monetary drain. its only going to get worse.

what a great column this is:
Russia Is Losing World War II
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-05-08/russia-is-losing-world-war-ii

In 1945 Vladimir Putin  defeated everyone. he defeated Obama, Angela Merkel, the opposition inside Russia, including Boris Nemtsov, the global LGBT movement, Pussy Riot, Ukraine, Georgia, thee three Baltic nations, and Poland, too, and everyone else in the whole wide world, because everyone in the whole wide world is an enemy of Russia. Russia has only one friend, Vladimir Putin himself. And he alone is capable of defeating all the enemies.


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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: Bridgeburner]
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70th Anniversary Of End Of World War II Marked By Fascism In Russia

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2015/05/07/70th-anniversary-of-world-war-ii-marked-by-fascism-in-russia/


A vile pride has taken over the country. It is the design of a dictator who severely restricts press and internet freedoms, legislates homophobia, and exalts the invasion of much smaller neighbors. Journalists and opposition leaders have been arrested and murdered under Putin’s watch. Soviet history is even being rewritten to glorify Joseph Stalin.

Russia invests in right-wing parties in Europe to purchase influence and divide the EU. It has become a paradise to famous white supremacist leader Preston Wigington who spends part of the year there. He recently organized the Texas A&M University lecture by Alexander Dugin, an influential Russian political scientist who called for the genocide of Ukrainians and world war to usher in “the end of times.”


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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: Bridgeburner]
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yes, those were both excellent articles.

seems like they need immigrants.

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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: akira_akuma]
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Special Report: Russian soldiers quit over Ukraine

Russia's President Vladimir Putin has repeatedly denied that Moscow has sent any military forces to help rebels in eastern Ukraine, where clashes and casualties persist despite a ceasefire struck in February. Putin's spokesman has derided such allegations by NATO, Western governments and Kiev. Officials say that any Russian soldiers fighting in Ukraine are "volunteers," helping the rebels of their own free will.





New modern Russian missile systems in eastern Ukraine. The sort of stuff that vacationing volunteers often bring.





Creating an alternate reality in eastern Ukraine: Separatists Rewrite History of 1930s Famine
http://t.co/CEwlh0s2Ni


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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: Bridgeburner] * 1
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Well it's better to pack something and not need it, then need something on vacation and not have it.


Looking at those photos of the Russian victory day celebration was very reminisce of 1938.

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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: trekie]
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Russian soldier says he was ordered to Rostov region, then told to fire Grads into Ukraine. Reuters Say Russian Soldiers Coerced Into Fighting In Ukraine, Forced To Quit If They Refuse
http://t.co/usfI9fJSYk




trekie said:
Well it's better to pack something and not need it, then need something on vacation and not have it.


Looking at those photos of the Russian victory day celebration was very reminisce of 1938.


Yeah they are still trying to convince they won and prospered and that they arent sinking into the status of a 3rd world country who has faulty nukes and vodka.


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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: Bridgeburner]
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Excellent analysis from paul craig roberts.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-11/war-threat-rises-economy-declines-warns-paul-craig-roberts

War Threat Rises As Economy Declines, Warns Paul Craig Roberts

The defining events of our time are the collapse of the Soviet Union, 9/11, jobs offshoring, and financial deregulation. In these events we find the basis of our foreign policy problems and our economic problems.

The United States has always had a good opinion of itself, but with the Soviet collapse self-satisfaction reached new heights. We became the exceptional people, the indispensable people, the country chosen by history to exercise hegemony over the world. This neoconservative doctrine releases the US government from constraints of international law and allows Washington to use coercion against sovereign states in order to remake the world in its own image.

To protect Washington’s unique Uni-power status that resulted from the Soviet collapse, Paul Wolfowitz in 1992 penned what is known as the Wolfowitz Doctrine. This doctrine is the basis for Washington’s foreign policy. The doctrine states:

    “Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere, that poses a threat on the order of that posed formerly by the Soviet Union. This is a dominant consideration underlying the new regional defense strategy and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power.”

In March of this year the Council on Foreign Relations extended this doctrine to China.

Washington is now committed to blocking the rise of two large nuclear-armed countries. This commitment is the reason for the crisis that Washington has created in Ukraine and for its use as anti-Russian propaganda. China is now confronted with the Pivot to Asia and the construction of new US naval and air bases to ensure Washington’s control of the South China Sea, now defined as an area of American National Interests.

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Implications, consequences, solutions:

When Russia blocked the Obama regime’s planned invasion of Syria and intended bombing of Iran, the neoconservatives realized that while they had been preoccupied with their wars in the Middle East and Africa for a decade, Putin had restored the Russian economy and military.

The first objective of the Wolfowitz doctrine–to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival–had been breached. Here was Russia telling the US “No.” The British Parliament joined in by vetoing UK participation in a US invasion of Syria. The Uni-Power status was shaken.

This redirected the attention of the neoconservatives from the Middle East to Russia. Over the previous decade Washington had invested $5 billion in financing up-and-coming politicians in Ukraine and non-governmental organizations that could be sent into the streets in protests.

When the president of Ukraine did a cost-benefit analysis of the proposed association of Ukraine with the EU, he saw that it didn’t pay and rejected it. At that point Washington called the NGOs into the streets. The neo-nazis added the violence and the government unprepared for violence collapsed.

Victoria Nuland and Geoffrey Pyatt chose the new Ukrainian government and established a vassal regime in Ukraine.

Washington hoped to use the coup to evict Russia from its Black Sea naval base, Russia’s only warm water port. However, Crimea, for centuries a part of Russia, elected to return to Russia. Washington was frustrated, but recovered from disappointment and described Crimean self-determination as Russian invasion and annexation. Washington used this propaganda to break up Europe’s economic and political relationships with Russia by pressuring Europe into sanctions against Russia.

The sanctions have had adverse impacts on Europe. Additionally, Europeans are concerned with Washington’s growing belligerence. Europe has nothing to gain from conflict with Russia and fears being pushed into war. There are indications that some European governments are considering a foreign policy independent of Washington’s.

The virulent anti-Russian propaganda and demonization of Putin has destroyed Russian confidence in the West. With the NATO commander Breedlove demanding more money, more troops, more bases on Russia’s borders, the situation is dangerous. In a direct military challenge to Moscow, Washington is seeking to incorporate both Ukraine and Georgia, two former Russian provinces, into NATO.

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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: chopstick]
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Excellent analysis by me: Ukraine may or may not be fascist, America may or may not be the devil, but Russia certainly is all these things and more.

Just get rid of Putin already guys! He is going to march Russia straight into hell and everybody will have seen it coming.


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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: Turtletotem]
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So the report that assassinated Putin opposition leader was gathering has been released:
link



Nemtsov was shot in the back and killed in the shadow of the Kremlin as he walked home with his Ukrainian girlfriend just before midnight in Moscow on Feb. 27. Investigators have detained five men in connection to Nemtsov's killing, all of them from Chechnya or other parts of Russia's predominantly Muslim North Caucasus.

Just days before his death, the former deputy prime minister had been working on what he promised would be a damning report on Moscow's direct military involvement in eastern Ukraine, where a bloody war has killed more than 6,000 people since April 2014.

Nemtsov's killing stoked fears that he was assassinated to prevent the 64-page report from getting out. After his death, investigators seized computers, hard drives, notebooks and other documents from Nemtsov's apartment.

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The president's popularity continued to struggle. Then in 2014, following Kiev's Euromaidan revolution, Nemtsov claims Putin put Russia on a warpath, invading and annexation Ukraine's Crimean peninsula, and then trying to do the same in eastern Ukraine. That gave the president's ratings at home the stimulus he had needed to retain power.

Nemtsov spends the next chapters deconstructing how Russia seized Crimea. He scrutinizes the "lies and propaganda" of Russia's state media, which whipped up nationalist fervor in labeling Ukraine's new pro-Western government as "fascists and nazis" hell-bent on wiping out the country's Russian-speaking population, and examining the involvement of Russian regular forces and mercenaries in eastern Ukraine.


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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: Bridgeburner]
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http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-05-14/putin-declares-war-on-russians-health
Putin Declares War on Russians' Health


European nations such as Germany and Italy, which spend 1.5 percent or less of their economic output on defense, are often ridiculed for this "postmodern" approach to a still dangerous world, and rightly so. Russia plans to spend 4.2 percent of gross domestic product on defense this year. But what is the danger Russia faces that justifies sacrificing the health of the nation to buy more tanks?

In Ukraine, Russia is engaged in a war of choice: Putin's determination to ensure that the country's ex-Soviet neighbors accept a Russian sphere of dominance -- his nascent Eurasian Union -- was a strategic decision, not an existential one. Before Russia's intervention, ethnic Russians in Ukraine were under no threat of attack.

Nor did the association agreement with the European Union that triggered the Ukraine crisis presage a NATO takeover of Russia's leased naval base in Crimea, let alone an invasion of Russia. These were all convenient fictions designed to justify Putin's policy.







NATO Says Russia’s Nuclear Rhetoric Irresponsible
http://t.co/1FkBbK5S3L




"Our best weapon against disinformation is information, based on our values of democracy, freedom of speech and open societies,"
http://news.yahoo.com/nato-eu-tighten-cooperation-against-threats-075939921.html




Campaigners are urging Facebook to act against what they describe as Russian attempts to silence pro-Ukrainian voices.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32720965


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Re: Official Unbiased Ukraine Situation Thread [Re: Bridgeburner]
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Thanks for all the updates, Bridgeburner.

Yesterday on the Dutch news they said that it is now almost certain that the airplane was shot down by Russian material. A lot of new evidence had surfaced, aparently.


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