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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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So, the owner of billboards could do the same.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
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these assholes are so unlikable... they are going to need 2 billion dollars to make people like them.

Hillary may need more, she keeps shooting herself in the face.


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[quote]Enlil said:
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Edited by rxb (05/02/15 12:03 AM)

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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
So, the owner of billboards could do the same.


No, not with the rules above:
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If a political statement is put in front of people, a majority of whom aren’t actively seeking it, then  the statement is an ad and is subject to individual contribution limits.


People seek out the New York times.  They don't seek out billboards.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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But the majority of people who look at billboards are doing so to see what the billboard says.  How is that any different from a newspaper?  One has to actively look at a billboard just like one has to actively look at a newspaper.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
But the majority of people who look at billboards are doing so to see what the billboard says.  How is that any different from a newspaper?


"actively seeking"


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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How is looking at a billboard not "actively seeking"?

I've yet to see a billboard placed in my way.  I always have to turn to face it in some way.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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im amused  that anyone is reading print news.

its been so long since i've seen a news source i trusted... i just read them all online. fox, al j, huff post...

i wouldnt want to pay any of them tho... they are all basically ads for one thing or another.

fox news is full of lies.
msnbc is full of lies.
huffington post is unapologetically liberal.
new york times is mostly liberal... but its weird as shit..i wish i understood the clockwork to that beast.

al jizz, and bbc, are pretty good...but neither are that IN DEPTH.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
How is looking at a billboard not "actively seeking"?

I've yet to see a billboard placed in my way.  I always have to turn to face it in some way.


If I see a dead horse on the side of the road, that doesn't mean I'm actively seeking dead horses.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: rxb]
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rxb said:
im amused  that anyone is reading print news.

its been so long since i've seen a news source i trusted... i just read them all online. fox, al j, huff post...

i wouldnt want to pay any of them tho... they are all basically ads for one thing or another.

fox news is full of lies.
msnbc is full of lies.
huffington post is unapologetically liberal.
new york times is mostly liberal... but its weird as shit..i wish i understood the clockwork to that beast.

al jizz, and bbc, are pretty good...but neither are that IN DEPTH.


Same rules should apply to online content.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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oh i know.

i'm just not directly paying out of pocket for their bullshit.

im paying with my ad-dollars..and i guess im ok with that.


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[quote]Enlil said:
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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Enlil said:
How is looking at a billboard not "actively seeking"?

I've yet to see a billboard placed in my way.  I always have to turn to face it in some way.


If I see a dead horse on the side of the road, that doesn't mean I'm actively seeking dead horses.


It does, however, mean that the horse wasn't "put in front" of you.

If you want billboards to fall under your test, though, that's fine.  How is the money spent calculated with billboards?  Cost of the ad?  Cost of the sign?  Cost of the real estate?  Electricity to light it?


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Enlil said:
How is looking at a billboard not "actively seeking"?

I've yet to see a billboard placed in my way.  I always have to turn to face it in some way.


If I see a dead horse on the side of the road, that doesn't mean I'm actively seeking dead horses.


It does, however, mean that the horse wasn't "put in front" of you.

If you want billboards to fall under your test, though, that's fine.  How is the money spent calculated with billboards?  Cost of the ad?  Cost of the sign?  Cost of the real estate?  Electricity to light it?


Cost to the person paying for the political ad.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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If that person already owns the billboard, then the cost is just what it cost to put that ad on that billboard?


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
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in non profits we use two things ... comparable costs...and cost to you... depending on which way you want it to go.

i think it would be reasonable to do cost to you for billboards. if you own the realestate...the applicable depreciation/cost of opperation/taxes would be the most reasonable way to calculate it.

much like the supreme court... im rather torn on the issue.

spending on a candidate you like is free speech ... but if this free speech is buying policy...which is hard to prove and not that hard to see... its undermining democracy

it moves us from being a government of for and by the people.

to a government of for and by the rich.

i dont see this as ideal.

nor do i see it as conservative.


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[quote]Enlil said:
I'd be the guy with thousands of minions doing my bidding and all of the hot women locked in a cage for my use.[/quote]

Edited by rxb (05/02/15 12:32 AM)

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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: rxb]
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rxb said:
if this free speech is buying policy...which is not that hard to see... its undermining democracy

it moves us from being a government of for and by the people.

to a government of for and by the rich.

i dont see this as ideal.

nor do i see it as conservative.


Couldn't agree more.

rxb said:
in non profits we use two things ... comparable costs...and cost to you... depending on which way you want it to go.


Any amendment would have the goal of not allowing people to cheat the system.  It makes perfect sense that comparable costs would be the standard, so that politicians/wealthy people don't buy up billboards to gain political advantage.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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What about a billboard in the side of a truck. Does that include the cost of the truck?  The fuel? The driver? This assumes that the owner of the truck is the one controlling the content


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
What about a billboard in the side of a truck. Does that include the cost of the truck?  The fuel? The driver?


Why would it be different if it was just noted that a comparable costs for ads standard should be applied?  Whatever truckers typically charge for ads on their trucks is the cost that should be applied to an ad on their own truck.  If that's under the per person spending limit, then fine.


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Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (05/03/15 11:40 AM)

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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Truckers don't typically have ads on their trucks except for advertising themselves.  Owners of trailers advertise their own products. 

There is no typical cost, so what cost applies?  It's free?


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
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actually there is a typical cost, some truck companies sell ad space.

tour buses too.


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[quote]Enlil said:
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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: rxb]
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So Covenant Transport, a trucking company that has "It is not a choice, it is a child" on the back of all of their trailers, would be in violation of this law.


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