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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: psyconaught]
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psyconaught said:
So is an Op-Ed considered a 3rd party? Or what about freelance writers.


Yes, but they don't generally pay the Times to print something.  If they did, it would have to be within their individual contribution limit.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Define "employed"


Gets paid income to do work for.  Is there another definition?


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Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (05/01/15 10:48 PM)

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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
psyconaught said:
So is an Op-Ed considered a 3rd party? Or what about freelance writers.


Yes, but they don't generally pay the Times to print something.  If they did, it would have to be within their individual contribution limit.


What if the someone pays the times to have Michael Moore write an article for them. Its pretty obvious what he is going to write about, but if no one directly comes out and says it ahead of time then that would be exempt right?


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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So, if a person, not paid by the times, dictates the content of the times, and pays money to the times, that makes the content an advertisement.  Is that correct?


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
So, if a person, not paid by the times, dictates the content of the times, and pays money to the times, that makes the content an advertisement.  Is that correct?


Almost.  If a person pays money to the times to dictate political content, then it is a political ad (I know we haven't gotten to the definition of "political" yet, but so far the definition of "ad" in "political ad" seems to work).


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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So anything political in the times is a political ad?


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
So anything political in the times is a political ad?


No.  Only if a 3rd party pays the times to have political content shown.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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The owners of the times are a third party under your definition. And they pay for,  and control,  all of the content.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: psyconaught]
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psyconaught said:
What if the someone pays the times to have Michael Moore write an article for them. Its pretty obvious what he is going to write about, but if no one directly comes out and says it ahead of time then that would be exempt right?


No, a 3rd party can't pay the Times for political content.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
The owners of the times are a third party under your definition. And they pay for,  and control,  all of the content.


You don't think the Board of Directors gets paid by the company for actively participating in the decision making of the company?


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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I said nothing of the board.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
The owners of the times are a third party under your definition. And they pay for,  and control,  all of the content.


No one would call an owner a 3rd party.  I should have defined "employed" above to mean "Gets income to do work for" rather than "Gets paid to do work for".  It's a very subtle difference, but I see you are more interested in semantics games than actually looking for weaknesses in the argument.

Now I've redefined 3rd party to what everyone else would define it as.  Happy now?


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Owners don't get paid to do work.  They get paid for providing capital.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
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Then how/why are they controlling content as you claimed?


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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They are ultimately in control of all employees.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
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Another semantics game?  How are you in control of a company if you are a passive investor?  And if you're actively involved in a company, how are you not working for them?


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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You're saying an owner is employed by a company? That's ridiculous.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
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Ridiculous?  It's the law for corporations:

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If  you are the owner of a corporation, you own shares in that corporation.  If you do work for the corporation (and not just sit back and collect dividends), you get paid for that work as an employee.

The IRS says you must be paid a reasonable salary for that work; you can't just work for $1 a year...


Regardless, I'm not into semantics games.  The point is that an owner is not a 3rd party by any reasonable definition, even if you trick me into saying it.


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Owners of corporations control the corporation.

So,  owners aren't third parties under your definition. ..good.  I don't know why you didn't start off saying that.

So,  by your test,  anyone who owns a newspaper can spend unlimited money on political speech,  correct?


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Re: No limit on campaign contributions [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
by your test,  anyone who owns a newspaper can spend unlimited money on political speech,  correct?


Only on political speech within their own newspaper.


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