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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: MycoCat]
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>So Anno, do you think if OTD didn't exist then that wouldn't have happened?

I?m 100% sure.


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Anno]
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You don't think those individuals wouldn't have found somewhere else to post and spread their negativity?

If OTD didn't exist then they would have done the same thing somewhere else.


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: MycoCat]
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>You don't think those individuals wouldn't have found somewhere else
>to post and spread their negativity?

No, not at the other forums of the Shroomery.
This type of behavior is specific for the OTD forum due to the relatively loose rules.


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Anno]
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I just read LiquidSmoke's post about OTD.

I would like to add that upon thinking about it I do thoroughly respect geokills for what he is trying to do. Though I do not agree with him I believe his intentions are nothing but good and it takes a lot for a person to go against a very outspoken majority.


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: MycoCat]
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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: ]
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"This thinking ignores the fact that the lower the common denominator, the lower class of people you attract. Ythan's post ignores this as well."

You speak in an extremely condescending manner. You seem like an elitist. Why are they lower class? Because they're vulgar? When I'm with people I'm comfortable with I say stupid things, I laugh and I have a good time. This does not make me a lower class person.

"I've heard the argument but it doesn't hold water. Software has been designed to show the number of posts each member has in each forum. There are many individuals who post nowhere but OTD."

If you've only got 7 out of 26 forums related to mushrooms than how can you expect the majority of the posts to be about mushrooms? One third of the forums are about mushroom related topics and apparently about one third of the posts are in mushroom related forums. That sort of makes sense, doesn't it?

"Not only is something wrong when immature people who have nothing to do with mushrooms take up most of the server space at a mushroom website but it waaaaaaaaay wrong when a forum like that becomes the focus of the staff's own forum."

Even if most of server space is taken up by OTD, if the Shroomery is still making a profit than what is there to worry about? If you could show that OTD members were harming the Shroomery in some financial (meaning it couldn't continue if OTD stayed) then it would make more sense.

"Not only did Anno give a real life example of how that forum has hurt the Shroomery's reputation but I think the real damage is done and there is evidence in something we don't see."

The Shroomery is one of the most well regarded drug related sites out there. And who are we out to impress? Why does the Shroomery need a reputation?


My thoughts are basically this. Removing OTD will not solve the problem (which I'm still not sure what exactly the problem is). Everyone keeps saying there are a multitude of reasons, but I haven't heard one concrete example of why OTD needs to removed. It seems that the only people who want OTD gone are the ones who do not frequent or utilize it.

And if you get rid of OTD you will just have that "lower class" element you dislike so much taking up space in other forums. Why not keep them all in one place where they can live in peace (or anger I guess you could say) with each other?






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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: MycoCat]
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>Why does the Shroomery need a reputation?

You should check your perception of reality.


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Anno]
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I don't understand why the place you post needs a reputation. The Shroomery is not a real business. It is a non-profit organization that was made to provide information about mushrooms to those who could not normally find it. So why do you need a reputation? What does it accomplish? Bragging rights?

I understand having a solid reputation would bring in more business, but I don't think that OTD really affects it that much. I never even knew people had problems with OTD until it was closed. So I'm sure the general public doesn't either. Nor the mushroom related public, because I've been browsing mushroom related sites for around four years and I've never heard anything but amazing things about the Shroomery anywhere.


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: MycoCat]
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"Nor the mushroom related public, because I've been browsing mushroom related sites for around four years and I've never heard anything but amazing things about the Shroomery anywhere."

Though maybe that kills my argument because the reason I came here in the first place was because I heard the Shroomery was so great.

Grrr.


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: MycoCat]
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*I don't understand why the place you post needs a reputation.

Myco, allow me to step in momentarily. You know I think you're the greatest. And I know you contribute to the mycological aspects of this site. With this whole OTD situation, almost everybody wants the same thing. We want OTD back... but we understand there are some BAD things that happen because of OTD.

... that is the problem with Shroomerites. We look at both sides of a situation and like what both offer... Yin and Yang man...

The Shroomery needs a reputation because its PURPOSE is to STOP the spread of MISINFORMATION surrounding psychadelic mushrooms. In order to do this, The Shroomery MUST be reputable.

Often enough, if new people come for info, and then look at OTD, their whole attitude of the sight is lessened. Sure they chose wether to stay or go... but what if they were a briliant mycologist sent away by the OTD? This doesn't help The Shroomery. The Shroomery has to cater to mycologists if it wants mycologists.

I know I had to re-evaluate staying here as a member after my first experience in OTD. Fortunately, I'm internet savy enough to know this: The people who make up ANY OTD are different than the the people who frequent the site itself. Sure, some members go there, but OTD is as OTD does. This is the way of the internet... not just The Shroomery. That is why it is OFF TOPIC DISCUSSION... still, The Shroomery being what it is, it loses respectability the minute a mature mycologist views hello.jpg.

That said, I must not be very mature. I laugh at hello.jpg jokes.


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: MycoCat]
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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Rose]
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I get what you're saying, but any mature person with some form of intelligence (hopefully the type of people the Shroomery is trying to attract) should realize that the Shroomery is not defined by one forum. Within seconds of looking at OTD you realize that it is just a place for those to shoot the proverbial shit.

And thanks Cervantes, I think I'm the greatest as well.  :wink:   


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Rose]
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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: MycoCat]
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Mr. Mushroom, please don't take my arguments the wrong way. I'm not attacking you. I harbor no ill feeling towards any Shroomery member, especially someone who obviously cares so strongly about it.

But OTD is not just about people preying on others. It is a place for those to post whatever they are feeling, regardless of how vulgar it may seem to others.

I agree with you. I think that the Shroomery would benefit greatly from as many experienced mycologists (or those truly interested in mycology) as possible. But I do also think that everyone needs a place to vent or act like an idiot. And I do think those who try and ruin the Shroomery for others should be banned. I've only been registered a short while, but the Shroomery has been part of my life for almost two years. I honestly have its best interests at heart.

And I think you're right, everything that could be said, has been. So whatever happens, just know that I respect your commitment for the betterment of the Shroomery.



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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: MycoCat]
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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: ]
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We are the priests, of the temples of Syrinx....

Forget about your silly (OTD) whim, IT DOESN'T FIT THE PLAN!!

-Rush


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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=42&Number=7342616&page=0&fpart=all


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: MycoCat]
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MycoCat said:
Mr. Mushroom, please don't take my arguments the wrong way. I'm not attacking you. I harbor no ill feeling towards any Shroomery member, especially someone who obviously cares so strongly about it.

But OTD is not just about people preying on others. It is a place for those to post whatever they are feeling, regardless of how vulgar it may seem to others.

I agree with you. I think that the Shroomery would benefit greatly from as many experienced mycologists (or those truly interested in mycology) as possible. But I do also think that everyone needs a place to vent or act like an idiot. And I do think those who try and ruin the Shroomery for others should be banned. I've only been registered a short while, but the Shroomery has been part of my life for almost two years. I honestly have its best interests at heart.

And I think you're right, everything that could be said, has been. So whatever happens, just know that I respect your commitment for the betterment of the Shroomery.





This is why I think OTD should stay as it was just add a disclaimer.

N00B'S BEWARE

or

ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK
FREE SPEECH ISN'T ALWAYS FUN

Just to let the floods of new Shroomerites know what type of place OTD is.

I also, think drug talk should be discouraged in OTD and encouraged in the other forums.


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Rose]
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Ok, let's say that maybe, just hypothetically speaking - we brought OTD back as an invisible forum. Thus, it wouldn't be publicly displayed on the indexes - but it would still operate under fairly loose guidelines to allow people to essentially post as much as they want and what they want (except of course continuous flames, things that would undermine the community like the teenhelp thing anno mentioned, etc). The trick is that threads would expire say, maybe sixty days after the last post was made.. so after two months of inactivity a thread would be deleted. Of course, realizing that some threads may want to be kept, there is an option for moderators to prevent a thread from expiring if it has spawned an interesting converstation that future generations may wish to view.

To me, and this is just me speaking here (though I know that many OTD regulars are not opposed to this idea) - I believe this plan will keep everyone happy. There will still be a forum open to people who wish to post chat-style, and obviously if it's just a chatty whore thread.. no one's going to go back and read it so let it expire after two months of inactivity. This will free up a lot of MySQL databse query time - even though we're not hurting yet, there is no reason to continuously update hardware to compensate for a forum that no one really references and which uses an incredibly disproportionate amount of resources. Allowing specified threads to be kept solves any problem of losing good topics and keeping the forum out of the public view solves the problem of turning away newcomers and users who are here to engage in some serious debate about the psychedelic experience - in specific, magic mushrooms.

There could also be different ways of doing this, one of which is to create a seperate user group for the forum - and anyone who requests access will be granted it. This will keep it off the radar for those of us who would decide to have nothing to do with such a forum. Additionally, new users will have the option to request access (ie. they'll know that it at least exists), but they will be warned heavily about it's relative rough and tumble nature in the welcome PM that is sent to new users. Ponder the possibilities for the greater good...


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: geokills]
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I don't think that would be a bad idea at all.

Now suppose for a minute that you had not conducted the "experiment". Suppose you would have left OTD open, and discussed these things in the mod forum and come to this solution. Suppose you would have just posted this just now as a sticky in the OTD. Don't you think it would have been taken a lot better by the members? Why the big C.I.A. drama? Just wondering dude but damn, why did you do it like this?


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Hi how's it going, wanna kick Heroin basically painlessly on your own, in your own house, without any government "help" ,or the "help" of a crazy condescending, judgmental medical doctor? Read this:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=42&Number=7342616&page=0&fpart=all


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Re: Flawed Experiment [Re: Lightningfractal]
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It was done this way because no one was sure what exactly should be done about OTD in addition to the desire to see if users could control themselves.  The experiment helped to present the problem to a greater audience and encouraged the active brainstorming of ideas and possible solutions to what could continue to become a big problem for the site in the future.  I'll admit that the implementation of the project went horribly and I feel that it was the negative beginning to all of this that sparked all the controversy and paranoia over an evil power trying to ruin the Shroomery. 

I mean shit my niggas, I love all you bitches - we just need to stop fucking fighting so much and take things with a bit more stride.  The temporary closure of a forum is no big deal.. sites go down all the time.  Overgrow shuts down for quite a long time when they do their server upgrades so it doesn't look like they are unorganized.  We on the other hand have tended to keep things up and running during any upgrades which results in any number of associated problems like people spending a long time on a post and then only finding out it can't be submitted and losing the text :lipsrsealed: .. lord knows that's happened to me enough :lol:

But really, taking a little break isn't going to kill anyone - I don't understand why so many people chose to overreact about it instead of just chillin' until the facts were out.  If you've seen many of the posts from myself or papaver, you should know that we're doing this because we want to keep the Shroomery in good standing and health for many years to come.  This includes taking a proactive stance at times in the face of adverse opinion.  It may hurt in the beginning, but in the long run it will make for a better site.

Anyways, we're family - it's expected we'd get unreasonably upset at each other at times :wink:
 


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