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Possible evidence for Reincarnation/Brain as Filter Theory * 1
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There is a strange phenomenon I have come across in which people incur some form of a head injury and it unleashes some new skill or ability, perhaps it is not a new skill but instead a very old one, so old it is from a previous life. The metaphysical position that is Idealism asserts that consciousness is fundamental to reality, it is the ground of existence and the real cause of the physical "matter" of which we experience. According to Idealism the brain is seen from a different perspective than the materialist position, it is not an creator of consciousness but is instead a sort of instrument of it, it is a tool that the consciousness utilizes in order to experience the world and itself, it organizes thought and experience and is an apparatus of the senses.

There is some evidence to support this viewpoint, here are a few very interesting cases.



"When Derek Amato crashed headfirst into the hard bottom of a pool, he was scared about what he might have done to his brain. But amazingly the fallout from that accident wasn’t all bad. Along with the headaches and other post-concussion symptoms, the accident brought Amato an unexpected gift: it turned him into a musical savant.

Although Amato had always loved music, he’d never been serious about playing any instrument before the head injury. Amato dabbled a bit with guitar before the accident but described his musical ability to TODAY as “on a scale of 1 to 10 . . . like a 2.5, close to 3.”

Amato now plays the piano like a virtuoso, making up melodies from the patterns of black and white blocks that stream across his brain in endless succession. He’s cut an album of original compositions and is currently at work on another."

The next two cases are people whom gain the ability to speak a language they had previously never been able to speak.



That man awake from a coma speaking mandarin, not only did he speak mandarin but it became is his first language and he was UNABLE To speak English.



Another case in which the man gets in a car accident and wakes up speaking perfect french.

I believe this to be evidence of reincarnation, it is simply the best explanation for the phenomenon. How else do you explain this phenomenon? The typical materialist scientific explanation is acquired savant syndrome but I do not find this very logical. It seems like a blind appeal to the "powers of the brain". How could rewiring of the brain make it possible for someone to instantly become a master piano player? There is only one way to learn to play the piano and that is through actual EXPERIENCE it is necessary to learn through doing, it is simply not logical to believe that someone can automatically know how to do something that takes practice and experience.

According to the spiritual master Meher Baba the brain actually prevents us from remembering our past lives, he states,

"When the soul changes its physical body it gets a new brain, and its normal waking consciousness functions in close association with the brain processes. Under ordinary circumstances, only the memories of the present life can appear in consciousness because the new brain acts as a hindrance to the release of the memories of those experiences which had to be gathered through the medium of other brains in past lives."

This phenomenon supports what Meher Baba states and is evidence for it. If the brain is a filter of consciousness than damaging it would change how it operates and disrupt its ability to filter out past life memory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenoglossy



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Re: Possible evidence for Reincarnation/Brain as Filter Theory [Re: soldatheero] * 2
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no


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Re: Possible evidence for Reincarnation/Brain as Filter Theory [Re: Mental Taco]
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No as in you got no argument? your response is typical and to it suggests to me that this is just too much for you to really think about.. the whole idea of it is just too much you can't even face it or think about it and just look away. Your not a truth seeker and your not open minded to possibilities and your input of a blunt "no" is meaningless.


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Re: Possible evidence for Reincarnation/Brain as Filter Theory [Re: soldatheero]
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Interesting read
Anything is possible :shrug:

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Re: Possible evidence for Reincarnation/Brain as Filter Theory [Re: soldatheero] * 2
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so do we have to watch the videos, or is there some non-anecdotal record that we can read which corroborates the claims.


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Re: Possible evidence for Reincarnation/Brain as Filter Theory [Re: soldatheero]
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The guy who took Mandarin classes wakes from a coma speaking Mandarin, the post coma French speaker took French classes. I'm going to guess the Croatian took some German. The post coma musician like to play guitar pre coma. Clearly something interesting is going on, but it's a big stretch to suggest reincarnation.


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comfort pleasure power love     truth awareness peace I am      I feel      I do     I love  I speak    I see    I know

why there is reality and patterned, law-like consistency at all, rather than noise or non-reality is not a question physics answers. It's a question physics presupposes an answer to in order to provide other answers.

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Re: Possible evidence for Reincarnation/Brain as Filter Theory [Re: Rahz]
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Yeah I am aware of that the one man took Mandarin classes and he also visited China. The English man who was able to speak French took French in high school grade nine, this is nothing like being fluent in the language not even close. So what about the man who became an expert pianist? Is it because hes heard the piano before? Mandarin is a very difficult language to learn and it is radically different from latin languages. I do not think it is possible that his brain someone figured out the language on its own simply from hearing it, language is a code and the brain is an unconscious organ, language can only be learned through conscious knowledge.

I believe he was subconsciously drawn to learn mandarin because of his past life connection.


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Re: Possible evidence for Reincarnation/Brain as Filter Theory [Re: soldatheero] * 1
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I don't believe anything about it one way or the other, it's just curious that they generally have some connection to the phenomena. The guy who played guitar, perhaps his episode triggered a novel expression of thought that included being naturally inclined at playing piano, though as he said he loved music and wanted to be good. The mandarin speaker took classes, the French speaker took classes. Something happened but I think you're ruling out all unknown causes in favor of a known but faulty idea.


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comfort pleasure power love     truth awareness peace I am      I feel      I do     I love  I speak    I see    I know

why there is reality and patterned, law-like consistency at all, rather than noise or non-reality is not a question physics answers. It's a question physics presupposes an answer to in order to provide other answers.

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Re: Possible evidence for Reincarnation/Brain as Filter Theory [Re: soldatheero] * 1
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soldatheero said:
No as in you got no argument? your response is typical and to it suggests to me that this is just too much for you to really think about.. the whole idea of it is just too much you can't even face it or think about it and just look away. Your not a truth seeker and your not open minded to possibilities and your input of a blunt "no" is meaningless.




Kudos for being courageous enough to think about this subject.  I know it must be incredibly difficult, but your sacrifice in mulling this over and posting a bunch of youtube "evidence" is truly a gift for the generations.  Because of your selfless actions we now stand at the threshold of a new awareness.
God speed to you.

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Re: Possible evidence for Reincarnation/Brain as Filter Theory [Re: johnm214]
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johnm214 said:
soldatheero said:
No as in you got no argument? your response is typical and to it suggests to me that this is just too much for you to really think about.. the whole idea of it is just too much you can't even face it or think about it and just look away. Your not a truth seeker and your not open minded to possibilities and your input of a blunt "no" is meaningless.




Kudos for being courageous enough to think about this subject.  I know it must be incredibly difficult, but your sacrifice in mulling this over and posting a bunch of youtube "evidence" is truely a gift for the generations.  Because of your selfless actions we now stand at the vista of a new awareness.
God speed to you.



"This forum is for intelligent discussion, not for belittling someone who holds differing opinions. This rule will be strictly enforced." - forum rules


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Re: Possible evidence for Reincarnation/Brain as Filter Theory [Re: viktor]
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Thanks, but I decided to give him a pass.  He did make the conversation personal by making negative comments regarding the user's person, but I figured they were minor enough to let slide given they were likely made out of frustration.

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Re: Possible evidence for Reincarnation/Brain as Filter Theory [Re: johnm214] * 3
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I guess irony still hasn't caught on in America.


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Re: Possible evidence for Reincarnation/Brain as Filter Theory [Re: johnm214] * 1
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johnm214 said:
Thanks, but I decided to give him a pass.  He did make the conversation personal by making negative comments regarding the user's person, but I figured they were minor enough to let slide given they were likely made out of frustration.



:haha:


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With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Possible evidence for Reincarnation/Brain as Filter Theory [Re: Icelander]
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A moderator Christmas present! :cookiemonster:


I think the OP should test his hypothesis by self-administering a whack to the head. Perhaps each whack sends one back exactly one life. A thousand whacks could solve the riddle of who we actually are by returning us to The Source.


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Re: Possible evidence for Reincarnation/Brain as Filter Theory [Re: viktor]
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viktor said:
I guess irony still hasn't caught on in America.




No, that was just my way of saying gtfo :smile2:

Back on topic please- take it somewhere else if you want to argue the point.

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Re: Possible evidence for Reincarnation/Brain as Filter Theory [Re: viktor]
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johnm214 said:
viktor said:
I guess irony still hasn't caught on in America.




No, that was just my way of saying gtfo :smile2:

Back on topic please- take it somewhere else if you want to argue the point.



viktor said:
I guess irony still hasn't caught on in America.



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Re: Possible evidence for Reincarnation/Brain as Filter Theory [Re: soldatheero]
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I don't really see this as evidence for reincarnation. It seems like all of these people had slight exposure to the skills they suddenly acquired from brain injury, which is really amazing, but not evidence of reincarnation. As far as the lady with the Chinese accent goes...pretty much everyone has been exposed to stereotypical foreign accents at some point.

There is probably going to be some awesome brain modification technology in the future that allows people to be completely proficient in skills they have only had slight exposure to.

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Re: Possible evidence for Reincarnation/Brain as Filter Theory [Re: soldatheero]
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Rahz said:
I don't believe anything about it one way or the other, it's just curious that they generally have some connection to the phenomena. The guy who played guitar, perhaps his episode triggered a novel expression of thought that included being naturally inclined at playing piano, though as he said he loved music and wanted to be good. The mandarin speaker took classes, the French speaker took classes. Something happened but I think you're ruling out all unknown causes in favor of a known but faulty idea.



I am just curious, what is faulty about the idea?  I really can't say one way or another because I can't offer hard evidence. However, the majority of the world does believe in some form of an afterlife. At least reincarnation might put a cap on the total number of individual consciousnesses. As apposed to an afterlife for each personality. :shrug:

I would like to add though. Suppose those people took classes in French, Mandarin, etc. because they had a predisposition for taking it. Maybe they took those classes unconsciously because they spoke it in a previous life. Some food for thought.

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Re: Possible evidence for Reincarnation/Brain as Filter Theory [Re: 4HO-DMT]
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However, the majority of the world does believe in some form of an afterlife.



Fact by consensus? Fortunately science does not work this way.

The OP came up with a hypothesis, but showed no causal link nor proposed anyway to test it.

Dead end.


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Re: Possible evidence for Reincarnation/Brain as Filter Theory [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Quote:
Fact by consensus? Fortunately science does not work this way.



I don't disagree. That doesn't answer my question though.

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