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OfflineMixomatosis
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what's this whole "spirituality" thing anyway?
    #2080814 - 11/07/03 01:41 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

All right fruitcakes.. answer the question.

When is something "Spiritual" and not? And what qualities does the thing have to have to be spiritual?


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Re: what's this whole "spirituality" thing anyway? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2080876 - 11/07/03 02:01 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Good question ... hard to explain.

I think you 'know it' when you experience it ...


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Re: what's this whole "spirituality" thing anyway? [Re: guitarmon]
    #2080899 - 11/07/03 02:06 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i'm going to go ahead and guess he wont think that answer will be sufficient.



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OfflineMixomatosis
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Re: what's this whole "spirituality" thing anyway? [Re: d33p]
    #2080918 - 11/07/03 02:11 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Actually it's not bad.. the other day I was dragging burning tires behind my pickup truck in a trailer park and I think I felt that feeling.

I just think "spiritual" is a lame word. The way people use it it seems to mean "good." Like when you have a positive experience it was "spiritual." I suspect everybody means something different when they say the word and I bet everybody has a different understanding of what "spirit" is.


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Re: what's this whole "spirituality" thing anyway? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2080950 - 11/07/03 02:24 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Some people connect Spirituality with a probing of the supernatural or the extra-mental.

Some people connect Spirituality with leading an ethically sound life.

Some people connect Spirituality with the pursuit of an ethereal goal as guided by a religious figure.

Some people connect Spirituality with all of these things!


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Re: what's this whole "spirituality" thing anyway? [Re: Ped]
    #2081020 - 11/07/03 02:55 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I think ppl over use the word a tad too much, it'd be nice if ppl where a little more specific, I dont think ppl misuse it though, its just so broad of a defenition kind of word as the previouse poster showed "what could be" defenitions, it looses its meaning a bit if you know what I mean.


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Re: what's this whole "spirituality" thing anyway? [Re: bandaid]
    #2081028 - 11/07/03 02:57 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i think "spiritual" refers to a concept of a normative order to the universe, and a spiritual experience is something that helps to bring things back into that normative order.

Thats my conception, at least.

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Re: what's this whole "spirituality" thing anyway? [Re: Kremlin]
    #2081064 - 11/07/03 03:08 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Spirituality is whatever you percieve it as.

::looks spirituality up in the dictionary::

Weird, I found the word spiral right above it. Anyways, say you had a spiritual experience. It's just that, an experience, and not something you can physically feel or touch. I think you'll know, just use your own best judgement.


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Re: what's this whole "spirituality" thing anyway? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2081182 - 11/07/03 03:44 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Fruitcakes? That's teetering on flaming..watch it.

I am not religious, I am spiritual.
Spirituality to me is any experience one can learn from, good or bad.


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Re: what's this whole "spirituality" thing anyway? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2081230 - 11/07/03 04:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

All right fruitcakes.. answer the question.
When is something "Spiritual" and not? And what qualities does the thing have to have to be spiritual?


It's just another label now.

Like anything else that can be valued, the concept of spirituality has been raped, pillaged, and plundered throughout the ages. The same thing happened to virtue, truth, justice, and the American way.

If that's the game, then I don't want to play.
I volunteer to be the fiend, the damned, the unjust, the liar, and un-American.
Fuck it.


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Re: what's this whole "spirituality" thing anyway? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2082110 - 11/07/03 09:27 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I am not a "fruitcake."

Spirit in English, Spiritus in Latin, Ruach in Hebrew, Atman in Sanskrit and Pneuma in Greek all refer to 'Transcendental Consciousness.' This Transcendental Consciousness is further explicated in Hindu thought as Sat Chit Ananda, or Existence-Knowledge-Bliss. These are the primary aspects of Transcendental Consciousness, otherwise known simply as GOD. GOD is also known by 'attributes' like Eternity, Infinity, Compassion, Omniscience, etc. This is what we mean by 'Personal GOD.' In Hindu thought, there is GOD with attributes [Saguna Brahman] and GOD without attributes [Nirguna Brahman]. In the West, one speaks of GOD and the Godhead correspondingly, or GOD's Nature and GOD's Essence, respectively. Spirit is an archaic word for Consciousness, thus Holy Spirit is Holy Consciousness.

GOD exists in Eternity which does not mean time of infinite duration. It means a state that transcends time and space. GOD is Self-Existent - THE First Cause, Unbegotten. All energy and matter are external to the Divine Nature and Essence, yet the Divine Nature is 'immanent' within space-time and has an intimate personal and transpersonal relationship with creation - especially sentient creations like us. Awareness of the Divine Presence and [comm]union with the Divine Presence in prayer, recognition of GOD's response to one's prayer (whether petitionary, thanksgiving, intercessory or contemplative), awareness of synchronistic/miraculous events in one's everyday life, visionary states, 'Big' dreams (as Native Americans call them) and mystical states of certainty about the meaningfulness of existence all qualify as phenomenologically 'spiritual' aspects of the human experience.

If this is not a satisfactory answer, start reading NOW 'cause you'll have to go back to at least 450 B.C. just to start with Siddhartha Gotama in the East and Socrates in the West for non-Biblical thought, and back 5700+ B.C. for Hebrew thought, leading up to 33 A.D. forward for Christian religious history and theology, and arriving at 2003 A.D. for current theological trends to discuss your question.


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Re: what's this whole "spirituality" thing anyway? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #2082316 - 11/07/03 11:03 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

HAHA..shroomism I love that simpson's animation in your signature, they ripped that off the movie Requiem for a Dream..I'm sure you've seen it before :smile:  I'd like to really check that episode out.


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Re: what's this whole "spirituality" thing anyway? [Re: SuperD]
    #2082663 - 11/08/03 01:07 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i think it can be whatever you want


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Re: what's this whole "spirituality" thing anyway? [Re: soylent_green]
    #2082974 - 11/08/03 03:30 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i think spirituallity and/or religion is just being, and exploring being. I also think that most people who claim to be religious or spiritual are not. they have religious beleifs, they may go to churgh, they may even meditate, but they arent actually being religious or even spiritual. They dont really try to figure it all out or appreciate it, and do this on a nearly constant basis. they just try to get through it, and i think its figuring and appreciating and being that makes you religious or spiritual. They are states of being, not merely actions or inactions.
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Re: what's this whole "spirituality" thing anyway? [Re: Shroomism]
    #2083330 - 11/08/03 08:51 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Shroomism said:
Spirituality to me is any experience one can learn from, good or bad.




Exactly. What determines a spiritual experience is ONLY determined by the person who experiences it. They are the ones who give such an experience spiritual meaning.

I consider eating a spiritual experience. I consider breathing a spiritual experience. There are certain traits and feelings with eating and breathing that I treasure. I get a spiritual feeling from these things. Some people (me included) get a spiritual feeling from going out into nature. I also find spiritual value in cleansing oneself.

Most people take eating, breathing, nature and warm showers for granted. That is up to them. Their decision. Just as some people take The Bible for granted while others treasure it. Just how some people take for granted the fact that they are free to make a lot of choices while some that have had this right taken away by a corrupt system no longer take it for granted when they get out.

If you decide to identify nothing as a spiritual experience, than that is up to you. And if you are looking for others to define what a spiritual experience and what isn't, I'd suggest looking within yourself. If you are here to laugh at something that you don't understand and don't identify with, than I'd suggest stop wasting your time.
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Re: what's this whole "spirituality" thing anyway? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2083495 - 11/08/03 11:22 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

> What determines a spiritual experience is ONLY determined by the person who experiences it

Then it's a completely useless concept. What's the point in talking about spirituality if there is no common ground?

I've always seen spirituality simply as a way to classify thoughts, feelings and ideas that have philosophical consequences, but have little or no basis in empirical observation.

Most arguments I've seen for spirituality as something real and observable are very circular. You start out by assuming that we have a spirit or soul, only to conclude that "yes, we must have a soul". That's not to say that I completely disregard anything but the observable, that would be quite arrogant, but "proofs" to the contrary are mostly meaningless.


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Re: what's this whole "spirituality" thing anyway? [Re: muhurgle]
    #2083520 - 11/08/03 11:32 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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muhurgle said:
Then it's a completely useless concept. What's the point in talking about spirituality if there is no common ground?




What does talking about spirituality have anything to do with the fact that spirituality is determined by the person only? Obviously, the common ground is when two different people find the same thing as spiritual. One person saying something is spiritual doesn't make it spiritual for everyone else as well. It doesn't matter how many people find the same fucking thing as spiritual, it is from within each person that the thing is found as spritual only.
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Re: what's this whole "spirituality" thing anyway? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2083543 - 11/08/03 11:40 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, but what is "spiritual" then? That was Mixomatosis original question. If you say that you have had a spiritual experience, and I also say that, are we even talking about the same thing?


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Re: what's this whole "spirituality" thing anyway? [Re: muhurgle]
    #2083551 - 11/08/03 11:43 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

muhurgle said:
Ok, but what is "spiritual" then? That was Mixomatosis original question. If you say that you have had a spiritual experience, and I also say that, are we even talking about the same thing?




Myself, I consider a spiritual experience an experience that I have that invokes thoughts I have on the very essence of life itself.
Peace.


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Re: what's this whole "spirituality" thing anyway? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2083590 - 11/08/03 11:53 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, so you see spirituality and philosophy as the same thing?

To rephrase my first post, I see spirituality as philosophy with a dash of mysticism.

Btw, not trying to be difficult here, just trying to point out that I think a common understanding of the words are important if you're going to have some kind of meaningful conversation about anything.


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